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Corey Grim
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.02.27 13:28:00 - [1]
 

EVE has a problem in my eyes. Problem that can be fixed before the game is ruined if some radical changes are made.

First thing to do is give Tuxford something else to do than mess with modules and ships, no seriously. While there are some good changes he has made to the game there are just too many bad choices and his "racist" (by racist i mean amarr matar gallente caldari not real life) approach has unbalanced the racial balance. The best thing that Tuxford did is Interdictors (and i dont even remember did he desing them) tho gallente and amarr are slightly underpowered imho. But perhaps he has been doing that job a bit too long now and new winds would certainly be welcome.

Seriously look at the changes and additions (new ships etc) he has made for caldari in past year and compare what amarr and minmatar got. no one can honestly say that the game is even close equally balanced between matar/amarr & gallente/caldari, not even tuxford.

Okay enough about Tuxford my second and last point is that while ccp puts huge effort to DX10 and station walking and all that fancy new stuff, im worried CCP employees have forgotten that Rifter with right fit can be more fun than avatar with right fit, by this i mean that this game is ment to be fun not 3pen1s competition, adding superubernewr0x0rpawn super titan to game and things like that is gonna be fun for about 100 ppl in eve...

Oh and soveignerity has been talked a lot in past year and no clear and good solution has came up even tho player base is trying to help you out with that also.

Keep the comments constructive plz.

Ishana
Minmatar
Eve Space Exploration Guild
Posted - 2007.02.27 13:32:00 - [2]
 

/signed

maybe it's time to "promote" tuxford so he has other stuff to do instead of messing with things that aren't broken.
Perhaps someone new can fix the stuff he broke and even the stuff he thinks isn't broken (pos/sov aynone?)

thiefkiller3
Posted - 2007.02.27 13:41:00 - [3]
 

I think someone has a cru-ush on Tuxford.....its kinda cute

lol

John Blackthorn
Foundation
Posted - 2007.02.27 13:44:00 - [4]
 

Funny thread.. I have level 5 caldari and lots of missle skills.. but you know what I prefer to fly and can outdamage my caldari ships? I fly Mimitar for both npc and pvp.

Alski
Ministers Of Destruction.
Posted - 2007.02.27 13:59:00 - [5]
 

Meh Everytime i see a raven in a fleet op a little peice of me dies inside Razz

Torps are for ratting, for everything else - bring guns Cool

Amarr could use a little help though no doubt.

Redbad
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.02.27 14:32:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Redbad on 27/02/2007 14:31:57
Edited by: Redbad on 27/02/2007 14:30:03
Balancing such a big game is an extremely difficult task Corey. You mention not to break things that are working perfectly. Strangely enough I get the feeling that you are now suggesting to do the same with giving mr. Tuxford something else to do.

His experience and insights can be the fruit towards future changes you might actually like. You don't want to break that. Disqualifying someone you don't work with is not something you should easily do, as his qualities might one day "save the day". Furthermore one can fly and use everything in the game and train every skill without racial requirements, so your opinion is somewhat overexagerated towards that point.

What you want in my opinion, is a more mature approach towards gameplaytesting that will consider and weigh the different playingstyles in this Game. I can relate to that. As much as playingstyles are somewhat fashionable once they are discovered, a bit more forethought can go into the actual implementation of a change and what effect it has on other playingstyles. Ofcourse starting with charting out what playingstyles there are within EVE. Keep thinking positive, it way more constructive.

Corey Grim
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.02.27 14:41:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Corey Grim on 27/02/2007 14:38:09
Originally by: Redbad

What you want in my opinion, is a more mature approach towards gameplaytesting that will consider and weigh the different playingstyles in this Game. I can relate to that. As much as playingstyles are somewhat fashionable once they are discovered, a bit more forethought can go into the actual implementation of a change and what effect it has on other playingstyles. Ofcourse starting with charting out what playingstyles there are within EVE. Keep thinking positive, it way more constructive.



Well put and you are perfectly right there m8 you quessed what i want.

EVE has lot of different playstyles available and becouse its huge skill structure it allows you to really consentrate on something, now if someone has all skills @ lvl 5 it would blur his vision towards these different playstyles no ?

Brolly
Caldari
5ER3NITY INC
Posted - 2007.02.27 14:44:00 - [8]
 

Shocked OMFG!!!, you think combat and balance is borked (when it comes to amarr at least, it is, lasers ftl). I started off as an indy/scientist guy and from when I started playing 3 years ago, absolutely nothing besides mining barges has been improved on or really tweaked in a worthy way.

Still, after all these years I have realised that manu/science is not really a priority in eve, it basically a means to an end.

As it was said many moons ago, caldari are not uber, they are just very well balanced. Unfortunately other races need some prober lub to get them to the same level.

I can see why a lot of peeps are against station walking, sure we don't really need it, but it adds depth to the game. or rp'ers it's gonns be great and for many others it's just going to be a great break from staring at ships and roids.
Sure eve is a good sovial game, but adding another level adds a new level to connect with your friends and enemies.


DEVILSENIGMA
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.27 14:49:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Corey Grim
Okay enough about Tuxford my second and last point is that while ccp puts huge effort to DX10 and station walking and all that fancy new stuff, im worried CCP employees have forgotten that Rifter with right fit can be more fun than avatar with right fit, by this i mean that this game is ment to be fun not 3pen1s competition, adding superubernewr0x0rpawn super titan to game and things like that is gonna be fun for about 100 ppl in eve...




From what I heard last - there is a very small team working on station walking. t0rfifrans mentioned that on EveTV that he's got like 3-4 people working in total thats it. That's hardly worth whining about. Secondly, DX10 - that's a programmers job, not a game designer's job. Redundancy for example is a GUI programmer (from what I remember of his EveTV interview) he wouldn't work on game design and neither would tuxford code. So your above argument is quite invalid.



Krulla
Minmatar
Miner Protection Guild
Posted - 2007.02.27 14:51:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Krulla on 27/02/2007 14:47:46
I think the only really bad addition to the game in the past year has been the Titans.

I mean, yeah, titans I'm all for, hell, superweapons I'm all for, but what the hell? A Doomsday device that wipes out everything but a heavily tanked BS, and even then does massive amounts of damage to that? To an entire grid?! AND can be fired remotely?

Superweapons are having a very bad effect on alliance warfare today, and will start to affect it even more in the future, especially when Titans will get more common (since they are almost impossible to destroy, if the pilot is smart and paranoid, they will only increase in numbers among the big alliances).

Remove the warp scrambling immunity from moms and titans, give them a absurdly high warp strength (50? 75? 100? Over nine thousand?), and change the superweapons.

I'd either make the superweapons a rediculusly powerful, small area (maybe even single target) damage weapons, to take out POS and other capitals (think death star superlaser), OR, reduce the area of effect of the current superweapons to 100-125km, and make them unable to remote fire them through cynos.

Lord Saradomin
Gallente
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.02.27 14:56:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Corey Grim

First thing to do is give Tuxford something else to do than mess with modules and ships, no seriously. While there are some good changes he has made to the game there are just too many bad choices and his "racist" (by racist i mean amarr matar gallente caldari not real life) approach has unbalanced the racial balance. The best thing that Tuxford did is Interdictors (and i dont even remember did he desing them) tho gallente and amarr are slightly underpowered imho. But perhaps he has been doing that job a bit too long now and new winds would certainly be welcome.


Sooooooooooooooo n00b post.....

Who's Tuxford? Razz

I'm guessing some big dev guy?!

Redbad
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.02.27 14:59:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Corey Grim
Edited by: Corey Grim on 27/02/2007 14:38:09
Originally by: Redbad

What you want in my opinion, is a more mature approach towards gameplaytesting that will consider and weigh the different playingstyles in this Game. I can relate to that. As much as playingstyles are somewhat fashionable once they are discovered, a bit more forethought can go into the actual implementation of a change and what effect it has on other playingstyles. Ofcourse starting with charting out what playingstyles there are within EVE. Keep thinking positive, it way more constructive.



Well put and you are perfectly right there m8 you quessed what i want.

EVE has lot of different playstyles available and becouse its huge skill structure it allows you to really consentrate on something, now if someone has all skills @ lvl 5 it would blur his vision towards these different playstyles no ?


It certainly would make people go sooner towards a playstyle that is the hype of the moment. I think you address a future problem when you say that skills will eventually all be learned. Well, I really don't remember much of what I have learned at maths in school, 20 years ago. I would have if I maintained my skill in that a bit better. Embarassed Perhaps some degrading of skillpoints within time might be reasonable if you don't pay attention to those skills.

For that matter, I really think that if something has to be balanced CCP should utilize their very nice skillsystem a bit better, instead of changing ships and modules.

For example:

New Skills:

Maintain knowledge
For every level you can maintain 15 skills to degrade in skillpoints

Maintain advanced knowlegde
For every level you can maintain 15 skills to degrade in skillpoints

Improved knowledge training
For every level you get 10% more skillpoints recouperation on the Maintain knowlegde skills.

People have to maintain a playstyle that way as to give more priority to certain skills. I think that you might even think up new possibilities to give your character a bit more fashionable focus on certain skillareas. In this way people can tweak their own game, instead of someone at CCP that has to do all that.

Well, let us say Tuxford has think a bit on this. Wink

Corey Grim
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.02.27 15:01:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: DEVILSENIGMA
Originally by: Corey Grim
Okay enough about Tuxford my second and last point is that while ccp puts huge effort to DX10 and station walking and all that fancy new stuff, im worried CCP employees have forgotten that Rifter with right fit can be more fun than avatar with right fit, by this i mean that this game is ment to be fun not 3pen1s competition, adding superubernewr0x0rpawn super titan to game and things like that is gonna be fun for about 100 ppl in eve...




From what I heard last - there is a very small team working on station walking. t0rfifrans mentioned that on EveTV that he's got like 3-4 people working in total thats it. That's hardly worth whining about. Secondly, DX10 - that's a programmers job, not a game designer's job. Redundancy for example is a GUI programmer (from what I remember of his EveTV interview) he wouldn't work on game design and neither would tuxford code. So your above argument is quite invalid.





First im not against station walking it seems ppl think i am. My point was more in that one sentence: "by this i mean that this game is ment to be fun not 3pen1s competition"

By that i mean i fear that some CCP employees have forgotten why ppl play this game. i dont mean "back to basics" approach either or that we should get 100 new t1 frigs.
What i mean is dont screw things up that are still fun in this game dont forget that one olŽ t1 frig can be more fun to someone than dreadnaught to someone else.

Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.02.27 17:11:00 - [14]
 

I'm not.

Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Naraka.
Posted - 2007.02.27 17:18:00 - [15]
 

I fly minmatar by choice, my alt is a fully specced Gallente char and i rarely PVP with him anymore.

Petrothian Tong
Gallente
Posted - 2007.02.27 17:21:00 - [16]
 

I am more worried about the mission and R&D changes (IE: removal of lottery all together but leave the originals in... by god.. just release all the T2 BPOs already, and let market forces govern it...)


Corey Grim
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.02.28 16:35:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
I fly minmatar by choice, my alt is a fully specced Gallente char and i rarely PVP with him anymore.


Lemme guess, bored of cap issues ? allways getting nossed to hell ?
im not totally blind i know where the strong and weak points of different races are (ofc ships wary and are bit different point is to see the overall picture) as said this thread is supposed to be what will happen if CCP follows this road they have taken ? the game balance aint that broken at the moment (yes its broken but it could be much worse) but it will be if things doesnt start to develop into different directions.


 

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