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Siri Blue
Gallente
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Phalanx Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.16 16:05:00 - [1]
 

Greetings!
Prior to the Dragon Code the mission destribution was as follows:

Administration: 50% Kill, 50% Courier
Advisory: 34% Kill, 66% Courier
Archives: 5% Kill, 90% Courier, 5% Trade
Astrosurveying: 40% Kill, 30% Courier, 25% Mining, 5% Trade
Command: 97% Kill, 3% Courier
Distribution: 5% Kill, 95% Courier
Intelligence: 85% Kill, 15% Courier
Internal Security: 95% Kill, 5% Courier
Legal: 50% Kill, 50% Courier
Manufacturing: 5% Kill, 95% Courier
Marketing: 5% Kill, 95% Courier
Mining: 5% Kill, 85% Courier, 10% Mining (II)
Personnel: ? 80% Kill, 20% Courier
Production: 15% Trade(Mine), 85% Courier (lvl 4)
Public Relations: 34% Kill, 66% Courier
R&D;*: 0% Kill, 50% Courier(S), 50% Trade
Security: 90% Kill, 5% Courier, 5%Trade
Storage: 5% Kill, 95% Courier(L)
Surveillance: 95% Kill, 5% Courier

Distribution, Manufacturing, Marketing, Mining, Production, Storage and Archives gave nearly only courier missions...with the Dragon Code those got screwed up...
And after you implemented some patchwork courier missions to give us any courier missions at all we ended up with only Manufacturing and Production giving mainly courier missions now and even those agents give the occasional kill mission.

That brought us courier junkies down from SEVEN divisions to TWO divisions we can use.
Was this intentional, was it a mistake or was it meant as an intermediate thing until you finally can overhaul the missions and divisions?

I'd REALLY appreciate an answer here, possibly with a timeframe measured in months for the to be expected waiting time until you get around to adress this issue.
Thank you very much.
Siri Blue

Robeleto Kars
The Unspeakable Truth
Posted - 2007.02.16 16:12:00 - [2]
 

I don't fly very many courier missions, but this is a disturbing little nugget of information. I also hope for an answer.

Ash Donai
Minmatar
Kanu Industries
Posted - 2007.02.16 17:41:00 - [3]
 

I have yet to get a kill missing from a distribution agent I am using.

Siri Blue
Gallente
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Phalanx Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.16 17:44:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Siri Blue on 16/02/2007 17:43:11
Ok, then its 3 divisions maybe, I sure know marketing, storage, mining and archives give at LEAST a third kill missions, probably more.

And production/manufacturing give 5-10% kill missions what used to be trade/mining missions

Siri Blue
Gallente
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Phalanx Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.17 14:04:00 - [5]
 

Back to the top, waiting for a reply (as usual)

Siri Blue
Gallente
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Phalanx Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.18 23:13:00 - [6]
 

*sits on a throne of pillows and awaits the envoy of the developer team*

Hektor Ramirez
Outer Ring Tourist Information Center
Posted - 2007.02.19 01:40:00 - [7]
 

I got a kill mission from a Distribution agent today. The odd thing is that the courier agents always seem to pick the hardest kill missions from the pool. It's stupid from a roleplay point of view that the boss hands the delivery boy a gun, winks and says "We need you to deliver some bullets if you know what I mean".

SpeedoMan
Caldari
Posted - 2007.02.19 01:42:00 - [8]
 

Best of luck to ya... there's missions and agents that have needed fixing for... oh 3 years now! :P

I quit EVE 1.5 years ago, frustrated. Decided to give it a try again. Nothing's changed :P

Even back then, the supposed courier agent types gave mostly combat missions. That still hasn't changed. I'm still getting all combat missions from Marketing and Storage and such. I'll most likely be quitting again :P

Pieter Draconis
Posted - 2007.02.19 14:25:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Pieter Draconis on 19/02/2007 14:21:54
I got two kill missions in succession last week on my lvl 4 gallente manufacturing agent. Meant another 4 hour wait before I could run another courier mission again.

In addition now have seen missions repeating themselves when I decline. I thought that was fixed that you wouldn't get the same mission again that you declined before. Now however it is happening again.Evil or Very Mad

Siri Blue
Gallente
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Phalanx Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.19 14:41:00 - [10]
 

I wonder if there ARE any mission dev's anymore...
I guess the BoD have ganked em Rolling Eyes

Hektor Ramirez
Outer Ring Tourist Information Center
Posted - 2007.02.19 15:10:00 - [11]
 

Well, if we absolutely must do combat missions for courier divisions, I'd like to see them being doable in haulers. For example a mission where we'd have to tank an NPC spawn in a transport ship, destroy some sort of structure with 1 turret and loot one 3000m item would be fun. As it is now, any and all courier missions are doable with Racial Industrial I and there's little to no room for improvement whatsoever. If you give us hauler-combat missions we'll actually see what the fitting screen looks like without being forced into battleships.

Siri Blue
Gallente
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Phalanx Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.19 18:37:00 - [12]
 

I am all for new mission types that go above the current kill or couriers boredom...

Always wanted to fly a cruise ship (not cruiser) through some fancy nebulae and/or space anomalie making money from passengers...and making extra money when there is some fancy pew pew against pirates involved which the passengers are eager to see....

This said...hiring escorts (yes NPC escorts too with social skills) to actually do the pew pew and even hiring some mercs to get something to shoot at in the first place *haha*

Well, mining missions...where you have to mine SPECIFIC mission related stuff....and watch out for them NPC pirates...

There is so much...
Yet...CCP can't even get the current crap right Neutral


Tolomea
Gallente
5th Front enterprises
New Eve Order
Posted - 2007.02.20 00:30:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Siri Blue
I guess the BoD have ganked em Rolling Eyes


That is a really primo way to ensure they never reply to any of your threads, when you want something from someone it generally goes a lot smoother if you don't insult them.

CCP Jiekon

Posted - 2007.02.20 00:41:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Tolomea
Originally by: Siri Blue
I guess the BoD have ganked em Rolling Eyes


That is a really primo way to ensure they never reply to any of your threads, when you want something from someone it generally goes a lot smoother if you don't insult them.


\o/

Hektor Ramirez
Outer Ring Tourist Information Center
Posted - 2007.02.20 01:18:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: CCP Jiekon
\o/


Care to elaborate? Or maybe even answer the, in my opinion, polite and reasonable request for an update on courier missions in the original post?

Trotski II
Rasta Tropical Club
Posted - 2007.02.20 01:22:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Tolomea
Originally by: Siri Blue
I guess the BoD have ganked em Rolling Eyes


That is a really primo way to ensure they never reply to any of your threads, when you want something from someone it generally goes a lot smoother if you don't insult them.


Yes. That is rude. The Dev post in this thread is worst. So things are ignored ad nausea and then 15 minutes after this post a dev all of a sudden appears and totally ignores the substance of the post and focus in a total empty one sentence statement. This makes me SadSadSadSadSadSadSad

Max Teranous
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.02.20 01:42:00 - [17]
 

First off, the list you give in the first post is wrong. It was put together ages ago with a forum poll, and a dev stated a while back that it is not correct. This is why that list is not linked in the resources thread in the sticky.

Secondly, in insulting the devs i'd think it much more likely that you'll not get an answer from them. You catch more flies with honey, and all that.

Not calling devs flies BTW Embarassed

pshepherd
Caldari
Subach-Tech
Posted - 2007.02.20 01:57:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Trotski II

Yes. That is rude. The Dev post in this thread is worst. So things are ignored ad nausea and then 15 minutes after this post a dev all of a sudden appears and totally ignores the substance of the post and focus in a total empty one sentence statement.


So first people complained when there was no dev... and now their complaining because there is a Dev? Confused

Everyone knows that Jiekon does no work anyway, he just posts random stuff Very Happy


Ricky Starwalker
Posted - 2007.02.20 05:29:00 - [19]
 

I hope the original poster gets a substantive answer to her question. It's a perfectly legitimate inquiry.

One thought, though: does the four-hour rule preclude you from finding a different agent to take a courier mission from? I thought you got a faction hit only if you refused a mission from the same agent twice in less than four hours. But I could be wrong, so I'm curious to hear what the rule is.

Incidentally, I mostly do combat missions, but I do have one Production agent I use for faction reasons, and she hasn't given me a combat mission yet. Lotsa courier missions, one mining/acquisition mission.

Tolomea
Gallente
5th Front enterprises
New Eve Order
Posted - 2007.02.20 06:45:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Ricky Starwalker
One thought, though: does the four-hour rule preclude you from finding a different agent to take a courier mission from?


The 4 hour thing is per agent. So if you are waiting for the timeout one your normal agent you can happily go find another, I have 6 currently, which keeps me busy enuf.

Hektor Ramirez
Outer Ring Tourist Information Center
Posted - 2007.02.20 08:36:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Hektor Ramirez on 20/02/2007 08:37:39
Originally by: Ricky Starwalker
One thought, though: does the four-hour rule preclude you from finding a different agent to take a courier mission from?


No, but...
- the next best agent can be 40 jumps away, especially while still on the way to lvl4 agents. courier divisions seem to spread their agents around a lot.
- it's bad for business to split your LP between 6 different agents, unless you're out to have a lifetime supply of +2 charisma implants
- we shouldn't have to

Meha Mott
Minmatar
Carebear Research and Produktion Agency
Posted - 2007.02.20 13:09:00 - [22]
 

I can confirm that only manufacturing and production Agent give out nearly only transport missions.
All other "transport" agent give out sometimes large rows of kill missions .
Now try to finde vailable Minmatar manufacturing or production lvl4 Agent .
Vailable for me is a Agent, not in low sec or near a lot of low sec system, because its not nice loosing a lot of indus, and in returne get low pay out for the mission and huge standing loss if you got shooted down.

Sorry for my bad english , its not my native languageSad

Jak'ai
Minmatar
Posted - 2007.02.20 14:57:00 - [23]
 

Not to rain on a perfectly good rant here, but do you think that just maybe, not all Devs know the answer to all things in EVE? Maybe?

Do you think that maybe the Devs are tired of repeatedly hearing the same one-note joke about BoB/CCP? So much so that if they ever see a rare comment in a thread indicating there are still some reasonable people left in the community, they can do nothing but cheer with some tiny shred of hope for the future?

Fact of the matter is there is a PvE team, filled with devs that actually like PvE (one would presume). Not all the Devs are pirates and PvP'ers - just many of the original team it would seem. Maybe they don't have an answer for you, maybe they don't have a concrete plan. Either way they generally don't post "dunno - we'll get around to it at some point" unless they actually plan to. Or maybe Jiekon notified one of the mission devs and they'll be by shortly.

Unfortunately paying your $15 a month doesn't entitle you to personal communication from the Dev team. You can ask the question and they can answer if they choose. Your rights begin and end with you paying your subscription.

Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
Posted - 2007.02.20 19:07:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: CCP Jiekon
Originally by: Tolomea
Originally by: Siri Blue
I guess the BoD have ganked em Rolling Eyes


That is a really primo way to ensure they never reply to any of your threads, when you want something from someone it generally goes a lot smoother if you don't insult them.


\o/


Very Happy Jiekon rules. He probably shouldn't have bothered, and it's not exactly textbook customer service, but it still made me smile.

SolidDread
Posted - 2007.02.21 11:12:00 - [25]
 

I've done couriers for marketing, storage and distribution today. And out of aprox. 40 couriers, I got 2 kill missions. Sounds like 5% to me.

Bunds
L D U
Posted - 2007.02.21 16:58:00 - [26]
 

tbh the whole mission side of things needs a refurb or even better an overhaul.



same old crap missions only now the gates are 100k apart.

werent we promised new misions with kali?

dont u know the devs dont care about mission runners its all pvp these day?






TotensBurntCorpse
Minmatar
Miners of Moria Corp
Posted - 2007.02.22 01:30:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: TotensBurntCorpse on 22/02/2007 01:32:02
Originally by: Hektor Ramirez
I got a kill mission from a Distribution agent today. The odd thing is that the courier agents always seem to pick the hardest kill missions from the pool. It's stupid from a roleplay point of view that the boss hands the delivery boy a gun, winks and says "We need you to deliver some bullets if you know what I mean".


Pony Express is an example - had to have ppl ride shotgun

also, get more agents going rather than sit and gripe. fly missions for other agents in the area while running out the timer or heck, jump in a frig and do some lvl1 combats to waste the 4hours. I think they throw in the combats to get us to stop afking hauler missions.

Tirg


ISD YARR
Interstellar Services Department
Posted - 2007.03.01 04:55:00 - [28]
 

I will allow this thread to remain open for now. If there is any further name calling/ BoD comments or other rude replies, I'll hand out warnings. If you have any questions, please email us at [email protected]

Siri Blue
Gallente
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Phalanx Alliance
Posted - 2007.03.01 12:37:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Siri Blue on 01/03/2007 12:37:04
Edited by: Siri Blue on 01/03/2007 12:34:18
*snip* Discussing moderation is a no-no - Tirg

I actually did some counting on mission types in the meantime...
102 Courier missions to 5 Kill missions from Production agents...so thats a definite 5% there...it was 0% before Dragon Code...also Minmatar agents tend to give out a lot of these "get me a report" mission sequence which then leads to 3 kill missions...(War Situation 3, 4 and 5 of 5)

I got 30 Manufacturing courier missions and 3 kills...thats a 10%, though the numbers are low...

All other divisions tend to give me more than 10% kill missions, though cause of that I did not stay with them for long and thus didn't do many missions...so I have no numbers saying really much...
Marketing: 9 Courier, 3 Kill
Public Relations: 4 Courier, 3 Kill
Advisory: 11 Courier, 9 Kill
Astrosurveying: 4 Courier, 3 Kill
Surveillance 2 Courier, 4 Kill
Storage 6 Courier, 2 Kill
Personnel 1 Courier, 1 Kill
Distribution 13 Courier, 1 Kill

So it SEEMS that Production, and Distribution have about 5% kill missions, manufacturing 5 or 10%, didn't have a proper storage agent...and all other types give a lot more kill missions...
So there definitely is not a single agent type not giving a kill mission at least occasionally...which might be acceptable but there were a lot before Dragon Code who'd only give courier/trade/mining ...and trade/mining is all gone...


Tirg


ISD YARR
Interstellar Services Department
Posted - 2007.03.01 13:48:00 - [30]
 

1) Discussing moderation will get you warned.

2) You yourself replied to this thread yesterday, along with many others, nice try. I deleted 2/3 of this thread for flaming Jiekon.

3) If you wish to make any other comments, the email address is [email protected]


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