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Mr Xofar
Plus One Noob
Posted - 2007.02.07 17:51:00 - [1]
 

I'm guessing shield boosters due to the bonus, but would that be enough? Pretty new to the combat stuff, in regards to being on the profiting end that is. I've collected my fair share of missiles and artilery rounds. Wink

Anyway, the reason I ask is this. Last night I'm traveling around, looking for, well, something other than roids to shoot at. I go through this gate a couple of times, and there is this Iteron near the gate.

I didn't think anything of it at first, I figured he was just afk slowboating it to the gate, 0.4 space. I figured I'd leave'em alone, since I was really looking for something that would shoot back.

Well, after about the third or fourth pass, I noticed the guy is still there, just parked. I thought, hmmm. Let's take a looksee. So, I nudge up to the Iteron in my Cyclone, and nothing, not even a flinch. My guess is the guy fell asleep at the helm.

/me looks around to see if anyone is watching.

6 sentries, parked right at the gate. Bummer. ugh I have no idea what the range is on those things, or if I could even shield tank them long enough to pop this thing.

So, I ask you, in such an opportune moment, in a Cyclone, what would have been my chances of laying some shell and heavy missiles into the side of that thing and popping it fast enough to warp off and cool down the aggro to collect the loot?

Donna Darko
Posted - 2007.02.07 18:03:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Donna Darko on 07/02/2007 18:00:12
Precisely 0%. But maybe if you one-volley him, you can destroy him and come back in 15 minutes to loot.

Please remember to film it if you do it!

Lucifer Fellblade
Evocati.
Posted - 2007.02.07 18:06:00 - [3]
 

I can't see it being anywhere near 0%, more like 100%, if your next to him and aligned roughly the direction with anymore more than stupid resists, you should be able to tank sentries long enough without even repping, just on raw HP.

Donna Darko
Posted - 2007.02.07 18:14:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Donna Darko on 07/02/2007 18:12:48
Originally by: Lucifer Fellblade
I can't see it being anywhere near 0%, more like 100%, if your next to him and aligned roughly the direction with anymore more than stupid resists, you should be able to tank sentries long enough without even repping, just on raw HP.

You're not very smart either, are you? Read his message again. Particularly pay attention to the part where he specifies the number of sentries.

Then we'll talk.

*edit* To be fair, my answer was for his not really spoken question: Will my ship survive after I try that? Otherwise, who the **** cares if he can tank the 6 sentries when Concord will jam him in under 2 seconds from the time they appear.

marcouk2
Gallente
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2007.02.07 18:26:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Donna Darko
Edited by: Donna Darko on 07/02/2007 18:12:48
Originally by: Lucifer Fellblade
I can't see it being anywhere near 0%, more like 100%, if your next to him and aligned roughly the direction with anymore more than stupid resists, you should be able to tank sentries long enough without even repping, just on raw HP.

You're not very smart either, are you? Read his message again. Particularly pay attention to the part where he specifies the number of sentries.

Then we'll talk.

*edit* To be fair, my answer was for his not really spoken question: Will my ship survive after I try that? Otherwise, who the **** cares if he can tank the 6 sentries when Concord will jam him in under 2 seconds from the time they appear.


Why don't you try being smart as well and reading his message again, hes in 0.4 space.

Mr Xofar
Plus One Noob
Posted - 2007.02.07 18:27:00 - [6]
 

6 sentries, diamond arrangement evenly spaced arround the gate, Iteron within the sentry formation.

set up: (for poppage)
hi's
1x 'Arbelist' Heavy (t1 havoc)
1x 'Malkuth' Heavy (t1 havoc)
4x 720mm (prototypes I think)
other stuff.(not relevant for this)

mids:
At work, so I can't remember but I think
1x em hardener
1x booster (of some sort)
1x extender? (added 700+ to shield)
plus other stuff not important for this discussion

lows:
damage/tracking buffs



Kaaii
Caldari
Kaaii-Net Research Labs
KAAII-NET
Posted - 2007.02.07 18:31:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Kaaii on 07/02/2007 18:27:46

Ive got a question about sentries..

Theres different types, yes?

And different numbers on gates, and stations, right?

So, with heavy engineering skills (im talking Vs in most every skill) which ships would stand the longest against a gate setup, and which against a station defense(s).

Can a bs tank right outside a station? 6(?) of those guns? They are different strength than the gate ones aren't they?

What about cap ships..?

curious..

tiller
THE PILLAGE
Posted - 2007.02.07 18:39:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: tiller on 07/02/2007 18:39:25
Originally by: Kaaii
Edited by: Kaaii on 07/02/2007 18:27:46

Ive got a question about sentries..

Theres different types, yes?

And different numbers on gates, and stations, right?

So, with heavy engineering skills (im talking Vs in most every skill) which ships would stand the longest against a gate setup, and which against a station defense(s).

Can a bs tank right outside a station? 6(?) of those guns? They are different strength than the gate ones aren't they?

What about cap ships..?

curious..



Sentrys all do the same dmg, they do twice the dmg for kinetic and thermal.

In low sec all stations and gates have two guns. In high sec you will insta pop from the 6 guns and being concordoken.

Alot of ships can tank the guns, just different time... the trick is the balance between your tank and your tackle ability. (why misbehave if you cant force your target to stay for the fireworks)

A light tanked drake with the right setup can tank low sec dual sentrys for over 10mins, my rokh with a tackle setup over a hr. With the right setups they will both perma tank... even a AF can tank long enough to take a pod out.

Cap ships can of course perma tank with any problem whatsoever....


If you are interested in all this and wanna try, just goto low sec and align for a safe spot of planet or sumthin and shoot a station... if your in a cruiser and up you will be able to warp when needed and also see how long you can tank. Knowing how long you can tank will give you a idea of the kind of targets you can engage...


Mr Xofar
Plus One Noob
Posted - 2007.02.07 18:42:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Mr Xofar on 07/02/2007 18:39:38
Originally by: Kaaii
Edited by: Kaaii on 07/02/2007 18:27:46

Ive got a question about sentries..

Theres different types, yes?

And different numbers on gates, and stations, right?

So, with heavy engineering skills (im talking Vs in most every skill) which ships would stand the longest against a gate setup, and which against a station defense(s).

Can a bs tank right outside a station? 6(?) of those guns? They are different strength than the gate ones aren't they?

What about cap ships..?

curious..

Kaaii, I don't have the answer to your question, however, I can enlighten you. This particular thread is about how and if a Cyclone is able to tank sentries, namely, my Cyclone. Thus, my thread. Piracy is ok, but please don't hijack my thread so blatantly. YARRRR!!

edit: if I'm out of line, I apologize.

Donna Darko
Posted - 2007.02.07 18:43:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: marcouk2
Why don't you try being smart as well and reading his message again, hes in 0.4 space.

Yes... and I have never seen messages in this forum about people with -5.0 or lower sec status jumping into high sec systems accidentally...

But here, enlighten me: where in low sec do you get 6 sentries around a gate? Does it have 3 billboards as well?

Vol Jbolaz
Odinsdagrting
Posted - 2007.02.07 18:44:00 - [11]
 

Yeah, I don't know if your ship could've tanked those sentries, but yes, a Cyclone can be made to tank them long enough to take out that Iteron.

I suggest, though, that you fall back and shoot him from range. If he is AFK, you have plenty of time to take him out with arties or heavier missiles. Also, sentries have a limited range, somewhere between 100 and 150 Km. You can get out of range of atleast one of them if not two or three and still fire on the Iteron. Every little bit helps.

'Course, you could just go get a battleship and do it up right. :)

tiller
THE PILLAGE
Posted - 2007.02.07 18:46:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: tiller on 07/02/2007 18:44:54
Originally by: Mr Xofar
Edited by: Mr Xofar on 07/02/2007 18:39:38
Originally by: Kaaii
Edited by: Kaaii on 07/02/2007 18:27:46

Ive got a question about sentries..

Theres different types, yes?

And different numbers on gates, and stations, right?

So, with heavy engineering skills (im talking Vs in most every skill) which ships would stand the longest against a gate setup, and which against a station defense(s).

Can a bs tank right outside a station? 6(?) of those guns? They are different strength than the gate ones aren't they?

What about cap ships..?

curious..

Kaaii, I don't have the answer to your question, however, I can enlighten you. This particular thread is about how and if a Cyclone is able to tank sentries, namely, my Cyclone. Thus, my thread. Piracy is ok, but please don't hijack my thread so blatantly. YARRRR!!

edit: if I'm out of line, I apologize.


lol, boohoo m8 BOOHOOOOOOO

Seriously, get used to it on these forums...

About your question of course a cyclone can tank sentrys. Just try it, you won't insta pop. Get out the old stopwatch and test different setups... within a hr or so of work you can get the best setup.

Remember tackle (scan res / scramble and maybe web) though or there is no point.


edit: lol I just read your post again, unless suicide is what you are going for don't gank in high sec :-) ... if there is 6 guns it IS HIGH SEC :D

Mr Xofar
Plus One Noob
Posted - 2007.02.07 18:48:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Mr Xofar on 07/02/2007 18:49:24
Originally by: Donna Darko
Originally by: marcouk2
Why don't you try being smart as well and reading his message again, hes in 0.4 space.

Yes... and I have never seen messages in this forum about people with -5.0 or lower sec status jumping into high sec systems accidentally...

But here, enlighten me: where in low sec do you get 6 sentries around a gate? Does it have 3 billboards as well?
Iirc, it had one billboard, actually. No CONCORD craft though, just 6 sentries. That I am positive about because I zoomed out to see the arrangement. Not that that really would have made much difference if those thing have 100km range.

If I am mistaken about the security, and that is a possibility, then It's likely a good thing I didn't even try, Laughing

Originally by: tiller
lol, boohoo m8 BOOHOOOOOOO

Seriously, get used to it on these forums...
Yeah pretty lame I guess. Cry me a f'in river, aye? It's late, I'm tired, I need answers, wah ****ing wahhh!

Thanks for the ***** slap and good answers...

Frito11
Invicta.
Posted - 2007.02.07 18:51:00 - [14]
 

My Taranis has survived going to a stargate jumping, and warping away at the other side while flagged

I took fire going into warp at the other side 2 sentrys downed my shield and armor and almost hit structure Twisted Evil

but yea like Tiller said low sec = 2 sentrys tank up with lots of HPs or resists and you can at least in a BC last long enough to kill a hauler and get out, BS'es are nicer to use at a gate camp as they generaly tank better and anyone with decent skills that knows how to fit their ship can permatank 2 sentrys its just when you get a target that decides to fight back you may have yourself a problem if they have a scram fitted YARRRR!!

Donna Darko
Posted - 2007.02.07 18:52:00 - [15]
 

Tisk tisk! It took y'all 45 minutes to realize it :P Laughing

Donna Darko
Posted - 2007.02.07 18:54:00 - [16]
 

Oh and speaking of hijacking, would you recommend a Moa for gate camping? :)

DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.02.07 18:56:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Mr Xofar
Edited by: Mr Xofar on 07/02/2007 18:49:24
Originally by: Donna Darko
Originally by: marcouk2
Why don't you try being smart as well and reading his message again, hes in 0.4 space.

Yes... and I have never seen messages in this forum about people with -5.0 or lower sec status jumping into high sec systems accidentally...

But here, enlighten me: where in low sec do you get 6 sentries around a gate? Does it have 3 billboards as well?
Iirc, it had one billboard, actually. No CONCORD craft though, just 6 sentries. That I am positive about because I zoomed out to see the arrangement. Not that that really would have made much difference if those thing have 100km range.

If I am mistaken about the security, and that is a possibility, then It's likely a good thing I didn't even try, Laughing

Originally by: tiller
lol, boohoo m8 BOOHOOOOOOO

Seriously, get used to it on these forums...
Yeah pretty lame I guess. Cry me a f'in river, aye? It's late, I'm tired, I need answers, wah ****ing wahhh!

Thanks for the ***** slap and good answers...


something is wrong here.

a) i have never seen 6 sentry guns on a low sec gate but maybe i'm just not looking.

b) of course u should be able to pop a hauler and grab loot and warp off in any bc. most can do it in a t1 cruiser.

c) sentry gun range is 150km from the target that they are defending, whether it be a gate or station. your range from the sentry gun is completely irrelevant.


DE



deathforge
The Accursed
Posted - 2007.02.08 07:47:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: deathforge on 08/02/2007 07:44:08
Originally by: DarkElf
Originally by: Mr Xofar
Edited by: Mr Xofar on 07/02/2007 18:49:24
Originally by: Donna Darko
Originally by: marcouk2
Why don't you try being smart as well and reading his message again, hes in 0.4 space.

Yes... and I have never seen messages in this forum about people with -5.0 or lower sec status jumping into high sec systems accidentally...

But here, enlighten me: where in low sec do you get 6 sentries around a gate? Does it have 3 billboards as well?
Iirc, it had one billboard, actually. No CONCORD craft though, just 6 sentries. That I am positive about because I zoomed out to see the arrangement. Not that that really would have made much difference if those thing have 100km range.

If I am mistaken about the security, and that is a possibility, then It's likely a good thing I didn't even try, Laughing

Originally by: tiller
lol, boohoo m8 BOOHOOOOOOO

Seriously, get used to it on these forums...
Yeah pretty lame I guess. Cry me a f'in river, aye? It's late, I'm tired, I need answers, wah ****ing wahhh!

Thanks for the ***** slap and good answers...


something is wrong here.

a) i have never seen 6 sentry guns on a low sec gate but maybe i'm just not looking.

b) of course u should be able to pop a hauler and grab loot and warp off in any bc. most can do it in a t1 cruiser.

c) sentry gun range is 150km from the target that they are defending, whether it be a gate or station. your range from the sentry gun is completely irrelevant.


DE



bah nevermind, this thread hurts my head and I fail at quoting the correct post Laughing

kill0rbunny
Caldari
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.08 07:57:00 - [19]
 

A mate of mine tanks sentries in his passive tanked Cyclone, using two large extenders and two invuls, when we are gatecamping. We are usually two or three, so sentries switch around and don't really harm one of us.

Of course this is not to be done in highsec, where you were.

Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Emptiness.
Posted - 2007.02.08 10:24:00 - [20]
 

The low sec sentries.. are piece of cake for a cyclone as long as it can keep capacitor up. Really piece of cake. A cyclone tanked oriented can tank as much as most battleships, as long as it has cap to do it (so how long is the answer).

Vordark
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.02.08 10:36:00 - [21]
 

With crap skills and a mediocre/not-specifically-sentry-tanked setup, I was able to tank the sentries for over four minutes in a Cyclone. This was pre Revelations, btw.

Just do what the others suggest: fit up, go to low sec, align for warp, ping the gate and time yourself. Lather, rinse, repeat and I'm sure you can get a setup that will work for you.

El'Tar
Caldari
Genos Occidere
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.02.08 10:52:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Donna Darko
Oh and speaking of hijacking, would you recommend a Moa for gate camping? :)


I used to snipe in a moa for some laughs YARRRR!!

was before rev though, probably not doable now

Mr Xofar
Plus One Noob
Posted - 2007.02.08 14:23:00 - [23]
 

I went looking for the Iteron again last night in the off chance that he was still there, and yep, still there. Ihal (0.5). So my apologies for getting my info wrong in the first place, as no amount of tanking would have allowed me to survive as the gate also had CONCORD. My bad.

However, good to know that tanking two sentrie in lowsec is possible. Wink

Riyue
Posted - 2007.02.09 07:43:00 - [24]
 



If you had an alt char then you may have been able to jump straight in and take the loot.Wink

Destr0math
Tritanium Workers Union
Posted - 2007.02.09 07:59:00 - [25]
 

cyclone can easily tank sentries - 2x invuln, 1x EM, SBA, LSB, w/ DC and pds and 2x gyros in your lows, its no problem at all.

In fact, i recommend it highly. If you need pts, drop an invuln/ the EM for a scrambler

5x 720's makes short work of most things frigsized that are too slow to move, and haulers that aren't well tanked are also easy prey.


 

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