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Sabrina Benzine
Posted - 2007.01.27 14:30:00 - [1]
 

Hi all

I need some advice from the section of the EVE community that shoots people.

I'm coming back to EVE after a little break and I figured why not try some PvP. I've read a lot of the posts on these boards but am struggling to actually find people to shoot. I don't play much so I'm pretty restricted to solo activities. I simply can't commit to being online at any specific time or for any specific preiod of time so can't really be active in a corp. I also dislike the idea of fleet combat, what I'm really looking for is small scale stuff. 'One v one' or 'one v two' dogfight type stuff. My problem is that nobody ever seems to visit low sec space. Even if they do they are passing through or visiting a station and as I fly friggate sized ships I'm not able to engage anyone close to sentry guns.

Now I can fly battleships but I much prefer interceptors or Assault Frigates. I've read loads of advice on fittings for my ships, skills, knowing that I need to be able to loose a lot of ships of the type I fly before going broke, using the scanner, safespots, etc, etc. What I'm missing is an understanding of how/if it's possible to actually find anyone in low sec space. I mean it just seems to be empty most of the time!!!!

Perhaps I should go out to 0.0 however the few trips that way I've been on have led me to beleive that all I'm going to find out there are 'blobs' which I'm not going to be able to engage and I'lll be a long way from anywhere where my modules and spare ships are located.

As you can see I'm not really desperate to be a 'pirate' as such but if I can make some isk to cover ship losses by grabbing loot and ransoming pods then it's all good right :)

OK I've rambled on too much so to recap; is low sec belt 'piracy' an option and if not what comes close so that I can try that instead.

Thanks

And yes this is an alt because the one advantage I'll have in the first few encounters is my nice shiny 0.0 sec status that proclaims I'm really a nice person, honest, no really.

Ice Conch
Exit 13
Posted - 2007.01.27 14:39:00 - [2]
 

belt piracy, no

make a single man corp and war dec a few people in the area

DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.01.27 14:49:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: DarkElf on 28/01/2007 10:40:06
solo belt piracy is tricking atm unless ur happy with just ganking cruisers and frigs from noobs. if u want bigger targets u usually will catch them on gates travelling but that's about it.

tbh most corps won't mind you joining eve if ur not a regular player.

tbh tho if u can't find any targets then try another region. i still have quite a few targets round my area.

DE



Gunner Cid
The Carebear Stare
Posted - 2007.01.27 14:49:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Sabrina Benzine

What I'm missing is an understanding of how/if it's possible to actually find anyone in low sec space. I mean it just seems to be empty most of the time!!!!


You probably need to relocate to a more populated area. Lonetrek low-sec is somewhat nice in the Nalvula, Taisy, Dantumi, Aurohunen vicinity. There are however gangs that roam around so playing intelligently is going to be essential for the solo player.

Originally by: Sabrina Benzine
Now I can fly battleships but I much prefer interceptors or Assault Frigates.


As far as the ship choice, I have always had much better luck staying alive in a T1 cruiser as opposed to a T2 frig but ultimately it comes down to what you enjoy most. Either way there are targets around for the solo player, you just need to find them. Good huntingYARRRR!!

Nylian
Amarr
Out of Order
Posted - 2007.01.27 14:51:00 - [5]
 

o/

I've made a fair bit in belt piracy.. even had a guy eject from he BC, I stopped shooting, docked the incursus, and hopped in the bc :D (granted I had a small group with me, about 3ppl iirc)

I also love the frigate class Sabrina, however, I think that for solo belt piracy you at least need a cruiser. With a thorax and a 1600 rolled tungsten plate I can tank the sentries long enough to kill a frig or hauler. Wouldn't even imagine trying that in a frigate / assault frigate.

For small gangs with the corp I usually field an ishkur so I can still get my fill of my favorite ship class for pvp.

As far as finding targets, that also is hard, but you just have to be willing to travel a fair bit. There's always some loner somewhere minding his own business just waiting to get looted. YARRRR!!

Right now my favorite solo piracy ship is the curse, I've never had so much fun solo. When I would hunt around in AF's I could never find a decent fight.

Anywho, a little long winded but I hope I helped. Smile

Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
Posted - 2007.01.27 15:49:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Ice Conch
belt piracy, no

make a single man corp and war dec a few people in the area


That is the best idea ever! I'm gonna go wardec people now Laughing

Sabrina Benzine
Posted - 2007.01.27 17:25:00 - [7]
 

Thaks for the responses. I don't mind it being difficult as long as it's possible. I think I'll try wandering to a different area for a while. The Wardec option never really occured to me I'll look into that too. I kinda want some PvP rather than just ganking miners so this might be better in the long run, even if it is more costly in ship losses while I learn.

Any more ideas?

Nyck
Not Your Common Killers
Posted - 2007.01.27 17:55:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Nyck on 27/01/2007 17:51:56
Belt piracy is certainly possible. I do it, in frigs. Make a decent amount of isk doing it, too. Patience is a virtue for the belt pirate. Especially the solo belt pirate. I may get 2-3 targets in 4 hours, I may get 2-3 targets in 4 weeks. It comes and it goes.
Now more than ever is the time for belt pirates. Warp to zero has made many feel safer in low sec, and so many have begun the move.
Also, with the new skill boost for starting players, many buy isk on-line or get into corps to upgrade ships and mods quickly. An experienced frig pilot can take down an inexperienced T2 fitted Battlecruiser, when the Battlecruiser pilot has no idea how to fit or fly the ship.
Have patience, get 20 frigs, fit them out, and go scare people.

Edited for grammar.

Famine Aligher'ri
V i L e
Posted - 2007.01.27 18:33:00 - [9]
 

Being one of the few and only pirates that actually travels to 0.0 regions and moves region to region in a matter of hours (I'm always moving, never staying put). I have found that being solo is still very very hard.

One of the good things about 0.0 is that there is blobs. Blobs are groups of people, which are generally weaker pilots (hence why they blob) that really see little action if any during war downtimes. This in short means that there are people in 0.0 and fly more freely around the regions they so call 'control'. This should be a good pull for any pirate or pvp aimed trades.

The thing though is that like you said they do blob. Almost everyone does not want to lose there ship including you. 0.0 of all places is not a good spot to lose your ship and then get podded. So you can expect any pilot to call for help if they are not just out there to solo fight. This can make being solo very very hard. Which should be obvious being there are a number of counters blobs can bring to a table to flush you out compared to what you can do to defend (dictors, recons, bubbles, and alts).

Now really for the upside of things. As mentioned 0.0 is not empty space. A number of corps and alliances use the resources of 0.0 every day. They NPC, Mine, haul, and fight in 0.0. All of these jobs and ops they do are not always protected by escorts or even 50% secure from pirates. Take for example, LV alliance has some mining and NPC systems down in 0.0. I have taken a Claw 45 jumps deep into there controlled space to probe it out. Soon as I entered a full system, my normal low security empire piracy tactics kick in. I start scanning the belts for miners. What do you know, I find a belt where some of these carebears are mining. There is 2 barges, a battleship, and 1 tech II indy. I warp in to that belt. The barges and battleship warp out (I guess the battleship assumed I was a tackler for a fleet or squad). I snag the tech II indy and then wave goodbye to it. I got some nice cargo expanders before anyone could get into the belt to snag me. I quickly exit the system as the dictor alts and recon alts log on to camp the gates. I am in a new region in 45 minutes.

Now it is still very hard to do such things. It's generally easier to stay in empire but the lack of targets can be very boring. The riches of 0.0 can be very good if you can get by the blobs and newer pilots of eve who think 0.0 means you're hardcore when holding hands behind the 40 people in local. If you do such things, you will be smacked for being solo in there regions (as if they would do what you do) but it's something you just have to deal with. It is something I really couldn't deal with and I have been inactive for a month now. People actually smack talk you for bringing fights to them. What a concept Rolling Eyes

Ship wise, I always stay light. Battleships are not good enough unless you plan to be weak and use scout alts. Intys, Recons, Cruisers, and even Battlecruisers are all really good agile ships that can serve solo piracy very well as anyone will tell you. YARRRR!!

Sabrina Benzine
Posted - 2007.01.27 19:13:00 - [10]
 

Thanks Famine for the reply. I may go wander around in 0.0 for a while just to see. I still have a load of bookmarks out there from just before I quit last time. I was never in a big corp so it was always a few ships and back then I was the 'Rifter scout' for the transports. We could never fight the blobs so most of the time we just slipped in and out of regions mining decent ore. You reminded me that those days were my most favourite and exciting days of EVE play.

I have a finite bankroll for this experiment but I don't mind spending it. I'd rather have a week of fun fighting and loosing ships in 0.0 than have it last 6 months in low sec because I only get one fight every week. Maybe time to park up the AF and dust off the old 'ceptor for a look see. :)

Soporo
Caldari
Posted - 2007.01.27 22:26:00 - [11]
 

Famine was the type of Pirate that we hated to see in 0.0 because he never stuck around.

0.0 Corps don't usually have ANY problem bringing out the firepower.
Though it does usually take a few minutes to bring reinforcements to bear in the backwoods.

Once you break through the hard outer shell of 0.0 Alliance space, you can raise 6 kinds of unholy hell, IF you keep moving.
Be warned though, the Alliance intel channel is chock full of bored PvP'ers who are willing and able to chase you 8 jumps or more.


Famine Aligher'ri
V i L e
Posted - 2007.01.28 04:28:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Soporo
Famine was the type of Pirate that we hated to see in 0.0 because he never stuck around.

0.0 Corps don't usually have ANY problem bringing out the firepower.
Though it does usually take a few minutes to bring reinforcements to bear in the backwoods.

Once you break through the hard outer shell of 0.0 Alliance space, you can raise 6 kinds of unholy hell, IF you keep moving.
Be warned though, the Alliance intel channel is chock full of bored PvP'ers who are willing and able to chase you 8 jumps or more.




Also very true. Just to throw out another experience and example I have had. Moving region to region can sometimes be harmful just for the above reason. People will keep tabs on where you do go. In my case, I do not use alts to look ahead for me being that's not how I see the game mechanics (ALT usage is smart but also weak. As buff bots are to other pvp games). So pilots were able to secure good intel on where I MIGHT be in a event to capture and snag me. When I logged in from a short dinner break in a secure system. I had noticed that a large amount of people were back in the mining/npc/docking system I had hit over a hour ago (from that map). I had set to travel to that system and do another hit and run when by my suprize a 2 dictor/rapier gate camp was in the next system (which did not show on map *sigh*). I believe it was KOS that had finally showed that they could work as a team and flush me out. They podded me that night and sent me back to empire. Evil or Very Mad


Sabrina Benzine
Posted - 2007.01.28 09:06:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Soporo

Be warned though, the Alliance intel channel is chock full of bored PvP'ers who are willing and able to chase you 8 jumps or more.




That, to be honest, sounds like fun. Which, to me, is what playing a MMORPG is all about. I'd rather play that way and never get a kill than sit in Empire space wearing down rocks with a mining laser.

Thanks to all who replied to the thread. And if you see me in 0.0 space, then I've got something wrong.... Laughing Hopefully you'll just see where I was...

Rail Duke
The Likely Lads
Posted - 2007.01.28 13:39:00 - [14]
 

Solo piracy is the ****, i've burned through so many rifters doing it. But it's worth it for that one kill you do get, much better than being in a group although a group is needed for kills above frig level. I try and fit it with the cheapest settings because i know i'm going to lose the ship. KNOW. It's better to make mistakes now (repeatedly Embarassed) than in a bs which is a much bigger loss. Follow the huge orange blobs in the players active on maps. You can just sit 100m from a gate and see what comes through, if it's a frig/shuttle/rookie ship engage it, but if its a bc or bs (more likely than not) jump or warp. When you die try and analyze why you died rather than just being ****ed off, which is understandable.

Sun Win
Mutually Assured Distraction
Posted - 2007.01.28 19:59:00 - [15]
 

Famine: Thanks you for some very cool information and about 0.0 Piracy

To the OP: Low Sec Belt Piracy is alive and well. Find areas of Low sec where you can travel 20 or more jumps without hitting a 0.5 system, a wide hunting ground is good. Haul open your map and look for systems with an interesting # of people logged as being in them and then go on a road trip.

All the people who say there are no targets are either impatient, flying in the wrong area, or not very good at scanning I think.

Shadrin
Gallente
Viper Intel Squad
Pure.
Posted - 2007.01.29 15:35:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Sun Win
Famine: Thanks you for some very cool information and about 0.0 Piracy

To the OP: Low Sec Belt Piracy is alive and well. Find areas of Low sec where you can travel 20 or more jumps without hitting a 0.5 system, a wide hunting ground is good. Haul open your map and look for systems with an interesting # of people logged as being in them and then go on a road trip.

All the people who say there are no targets are either impatient, flying in the wrong area, or not very good at scanning I think.


Agreed, if you are good at scanning you can snatch people long before they even notice you are in local before docking. Also, people might be scared. I think the easiest targets are when they have a dozen corp mates in local. They THINK they are safe.

Sabrina Benzine
Posted - 2007.01.31 13:53:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Sun Win

All the people who say there are no targets are either impatient, flying in the wrong area, or not very good at scanning I think.


I'm not that impatient I don't think, don't expect to get a target every time I play but one every few days should be possible right.

I was almost certainly flying in the wrong area.

I thought I was OK at scanning but having done some searching around in 0.0 the last few days I'm not so sure. It's easy enough to sit at a celestial object and scan belts to find people. That doesn't seem too hard. So far I've just managed to warp into the belt as they are leaving which isn't a scanner problem just a luck thing. My problem is finding Safe Spots. The scanner (yeah I'm old school EVE I just use the scanner) doesn't seem to operate how I thought it does.

Quick example: Sat in a system see a Raven on a max range 360 deg scan. So I narrow it down to a 5 deg arc and warp to the nearest celestial object that I have on scanner. Widen the scan find the Raven again, narrow scan to 5 deg and repeat. I do this a few times basically hopping from object to object thinking I must be getting closer to the Raven. Just for info there is never a 'range' for the Raven whilst there is for the celestial objects. At one point the Raven dissapears after a warp. I figure that this means I've jumped past it and it must be somewhere between where I am now and the point I just warped from. so I scan behind me to find it and it's just gone. No idea what happened, nobody in local so it didn't get collected and jump out or get moved. It was late so I just gave up rather than starting the search over again.

If anyone has the time can you direct me to a decent 'this is how to use the scanner' thread or point out the noob mistake in my thinking?


Slaughterford
Caldari
Let All Mortal flesh Be Silent
Posted - 2007.01.31 14:28:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Sabrina Benzine
...or get moved


Maybe thats exactly what happened. The "mistake" may be, that the other player is also in constant movement unless being docked or sitting at a safespot.

Your narrowing lets one assume, that the Raven was doing missions or smth. Maybe the pilot completed his mission goal (you can say this more likely since you know how long it took to nail it down) and warped away to the next station.

In this case, you could've checked the directions of the stations present in the system.

It often happens that players "suddenly" dissapear though still being present in the system. In most cases thats because of a warp to another object.

Its a bit depressing, especially when you are new at using the scanner - but if you can assume someone is doing missions in a system, then he will come again and again and again.

Even if you get him, he will come again because mission encounters give your victims a false feeling of safety.

So sit back, it mustn't have been your fault.

regards,

- Slaughter

Sabrina Benzine
Posted - 2007.01.31 14:41:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Slaughterford
Maybe thats exactly what happened. The "mistake" may be, that the other player is also in constant movement unless being docked or sitting at a safespot.

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Ooops, sorry, my explanation wasn't very clear. There was nobody showing in the local channel all the while I was trying to find the Raven. It does take me a little while to do this and in 0.0 I don't want to concentrate too much on finding something if there is the chance of someone locating me.

I guess there is the possibility that I missed someone arrive and take the Raven out but they could not have just been moving it without showing in 'local' (or is that another flawed assumption on my part).

I should really have had another go at finding it but like I said it was late, it had taken a while already and it was only really a distraction as I was supposed to be looking for live targets.

Being in 0.0 on my own in only an AF I tend to monitor 'local' carefully as it's my early warning system. Actually in game terms I fail to see why people should show up in 'local' until they communicate in it but hey it's a game and they do so thats that really.

gazarsgo
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.01.31 15:17:00 - [20]
 

finding a SS without a probe launcher is an exercise in frustration -- i've had people sitting in SS for 20 minutes, inline, and not been able to catch them...of course, they warp to a different SS whenever you get close also if they're smart. if it's not an inline safe, forget about it.

the raven you were looking for probably was a player who had just logged and disappeared after their logout timer.

if you do switch to 0.0 piracy, train up for a dictor or a nano bs (phoon/domi). they're currently "the win", although the heretic and the eris are quite lacking as far as dictors go...

Sabrina Benzine
Posted - 2007.01.31 15:56:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: gazarsgo

the raven you were looking for probably was a player who had just logged and disappeared after their logout timer.




That must have been it. Thanks.

I can fly a 'phoon or a Scorp. I just prefer the smaller ships. Perhaps I should just stick to finding 'live' targets and give the SS busting a miss.

Sabrina Benzine
Posted - 2007.01.31 18:55:00 - [22]
 

Just a quick update....

My main just got totally owned and podded at a gate in 0.0 by a lone pilot. Took about 5 seconds to loose the ship and a little less to take the fast route back to Empire Laughing I'm sure I scratched his paintwork though. Great fun.

I love this game.... Just fitting out a new Jag, and we try again. Very Happy Perhaps Tech II weapons and ammo are required this time, or perhaps not getting jumped like that would be a good idea?!?!?!



 

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