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Shadrin
Gallente
Viper Intel Squad
Pure.
Posted - 2007.01.24 20:23:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Mi Lai
If you want to become an anti-pirate, I suggest you try pirating for a few months at least. If you want to catch pirates, it's good if you can think like a pirate. Know the mechanics of flagging / aggressing / baiting, and it shouldnt be to hard to take down some pirates.

Alternatively, join CVA for a while, they are pretty experienced in hunting pirates, both in large and small/solo gangs/set-ups.


Probably the best advice so far. Altho less than noble.

Katsuo Tanaka
Posted - 2007.01.25 00:29:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Stakhanov


Oh , and don't use login traps to avoid the obvious blob issue , that's lame Razz


You know what, pirates do a lot of "fighting with honor" talk in the forums. But I noticed it doesn't work that way in the game. Anything done to pod them is fair. Period.

Dr Slice
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.01.25 00:32:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Katsuo Tanaka
Originally by: Stakhanov


Oh , and don't use login traps to avoid the obvious blob issue , that's lame Razz


You know what, pirates do a lot of "fighting with honor" talk in the forums. But I noticed it doesn't work that way in the game. Anything done to pod them is fair. Period.


The only honor Pirates talk about is honoring ransoms. What form of honor are you referring to?


ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
Posted - 2007.01.25 00:38:00 - [34]
 

I actually agree with the advice on being a pirate for a while. Walk a mile in their shoes and you will learn a lot.

I've been on both sides. I've seen ridiculous anti-pie gangs 26 strong fly rounds shouting "LOLZ BIG PIRATES U WONT FIGHT US11!" when theres like 2 in local.
The pirates I fought were decent and up for a fight. Obviously they want to maximize it in their favour but theres an art to getting a fight, 26vs2 is justConfused

The above paragraph distills down to dont blob

Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2007.01.25 00:41:00 - [35]
 

Twice the "login trap" was mentionned, but I've yet to get an explanation as to what that actually is.

Garret K'hor
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
Posted - 2007.01.25 12:40:00 - [36]
 

In answer to your question, a login trap involves a group of people logged off in system, but on voice comms. When the bait ship is attacked, the pilot yells "Log in!" on voice. All the logged off pilots then hit the "Enter Game" button, and proceed to blob the target.

This has not been declared an exploit, but it is most definitely slimy.

Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2007.01.25 13:09:00 - [37]
 

Hmmm... I can see why this would be effective, but I don't understand why this isn't classified as an exploit. It's basically the same as logging off or jumping into lwsec to avoid getting Concordokkened.

DeckardIRL
The Randoms
Posted - 2007.01.25 13:12:00 - [38]
 

One of the best ways is the anti-pirate gatecamp. Having Scouts around watching where they are travelling to and getting setup to catch them incoming. You need intel. so watch your targets for a few days and get to know their movements, try to spot their own scouts. Get your gang online before them and then be ready. As has been said you need T2 ships esp command ships and be well organised because the pirates are.

Deck

Alumion
Deviance Inc
DeStInY.
Posted - 2007.01.25 13:42:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Deschenus Maximus

Hmmm... I can see why this would be effective, but I don't understand why this isn't classified as an exploit. It's basically the same as logging off or jumping into lwsec to avoid getting Concordokkened.


It's effective because the ships were sitting next to the bait before logging out, so when they enter they arrive right on target with little or no advance warning on local.

Originally by: DeckardIRL
anti-pirate gatecamp


You should call it Gate Guarding, or Gate Patrol or something like that this way it sounds more righteous
Rolling Eyes

Ice Conch
Exit 13
Posted - 2007.01.25 14:36:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Great and anti-pirate, that's an oxymoron.
CVA are decent, it just depends whether the AP corp are mission runners that hunt pirates on occasion or pvpers that hunt pirates continually

Glenntwo
Posted - 2007.01.26 20:24:00 - [41]
 

you should be an anti pirate because you enjoy giving a player who is looking for an unfair fight (pirate) and extremely unfair fight (your friends show up and blow the guy after he attacks your bait ship)

Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2007.01.27 03:15:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Glenntwo
you should be an anti pirate because you enjoy giving a player who is looking for an unfair fight (pirate) and extremely unfair fight (your friends show up and blow the guy after he attacks your bait ship)


Sigged!

Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
Posted - 2007.01.27 03:19:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Glenntwo
you should be an anti pirate because you enjoy giving a player who is looking for an unfair fight (pirate) and extremely unfair fight (your friends show up and blow the guy after he attacks your bait ship)


There is a big difference between unfair fights and fights you think you can win you stereotyping douche

PCaBoo
Ammo and Tag
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2007.01.27 14:09:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
you stereotyping douche

stop looking at my portait!!!

Ikvar
A Blue Goat
Posted - 2007.01.27 14:18:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Marcus TheMartin

3. Fight solo every once in a while Wink


And then laugh at your own stupidity as the pirate you're engaging calls in his mates to help.

Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
Posted - 2007.01.27 15:48:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Ikvar
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin

3. Fight solo every once in a while Wink


And then laugh at your own stupidity as the pirate you're engaging calls in his mates to help.


If you blob all the time it results in an oh look x corp is in local he must be the bait.

It takes a gentle touch to catch a fish (unless your a spear but bears exploit)

Ikvar
A Blue Goat
Posted - 2007.01.27 17:01:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Ikvar
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin

3. Fight solo every once in a while Wink


And then laugh at your own stupidity as the pirate you're engaging calls in his mates to help.


If you blob all the time it results in an oh look x corp is in local he must be the bait.

It takes a gentle touch to catch a fish (unless your a spear but bears exploit)


Nope, pretty much everyone thinks 'Oh look, x corp is in local he must be bait), even if they've never heard of that corp before.

Also stop posting, you're the new Thomus.

Soporo
Caldari
Posted - 2007.01.27 23:24:00 - [48]
 

If your serious about it, then I guess you need some sort of income unless you are rich.
Some Industrialists might pay well for a small corp to provide cover or clear out some LowSec.
There is a Corp, I hear that specializes in just this.

If you just want to kill pirate types, then Wardec Privateers or any local pirate corp. Expensive, but this way your sec status will remain good and gate and station guns won't trouble you, and Empire Wartargets are a bonus.

Gate camping a LowSec chain could net you some anti-pie fun, just move around a bit.

As for organization, make a few Corp offices in several different locations/regions and stock them with ammo, ships, and mods.
Get your people to train infomorph psycology and set these clones to various regions.

Put a few Corp offices in "busy" LowSec systems.
CAREFULLY VET ANY NEW HIRES.
Get someone to use their alt to infiltrate a Pirate Corp, for obvious reasons.
Expect others to try and do the same to you.

If you want professionalism, then make it clear that smack is not to be tolerated, and that the first rule of EVE is "don't be a tard."

Sorry, I dont run a corp, or want to for that matter, so that's the best I can do.

Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
Posted - 2007.01.27 23:32:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 27/01/2007 23:29:25
Originally by: Ikvar

Also stop posting, you're the new Thomus.


STOP POSTING?! STOP POSTING?! I KNOW NOT THE MEANING OF THOSE WORDS!

and whats a thomus

xeom
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.01.27 23:39:00 - [50]
 

Veto is nowadays anti-pie corp.

...No not really.We do kill pirates but being a total "anti-pirate corp" is probably the most boring thing in this game.

Psorion
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.02.03 12:28:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Katsuo Tanaka
Originally by: Stakhanov


Oh , and don't use login traps to avoid the obvious blob issue , that's lame Razz


You know what, pirates do a lot of "fighting with honor" talk in the forums. But I noticed it doesn't work that way in the game. Anything done to pod them is fair. Period.


Well maybe I met some 'PVP'ers that thought they were pirates. Most of the people I met in low.sec , after killing me they were very nice. (And didnt pod). YMMV

50freefly
Caldari
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.02.03 14:32:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: PCaBoo
Baiting works, but if you're going to hunt pirates, do it because you want money or to kill people. If I hear about another moron and his quest to cleanse the universe of pirate-scum, i'm going to lose it. If you're really into protecting the weak or whatever, then go nuts, but that's the day you start going bankrupt.


Who says your income has to come from killing pirates? There are plenty of professions compatible with Anti-Piracy that are not time consuming at all.

I really think that the key to a good antipirate corp is having a good recruitment process (getting only people who agree with corp ideals) and having a no local chat to pirates policy, both of which my corp has. And yes I'll admit I've broken the second rule, but I am working on it (and it wasn't smack before you ask).

Redpants
Gallente
Dark Star LTD
Posted - 2007.02.03 19:07:00 - [53]
 

It's my opinion that being a pirate hunter, or anti-pirate is more than just combat. It's also about making systems safe. When we come en masse into a system we may get one engagement or two upon first arriving if we work quickly. Even if a system was filled with pirates (of the same or various corps) matching our strengths we notice they dock or leave the system sooner than they normally would. I won't say then run out or act cowardly by any means. We also don't encounter much smack talk from them which is respectable. Of course you get the occasional "oooh anti-pirates lawl/"

While remaining in the system, people become free to do their missions, run complexes, mine or whatever. It's screwing up the pirates profession. Obviously the system becomes too much trouble for them while present and they move on for awhile. So again it is more than just about PvP.

The engagement game is a bit different though from pirating itself. Where a pirate will ususally pick his targets on scanner and engage those targets he can successfully engage and destroy/ransom (hopefully the latter), we cannot do the same to a certain extent.

We don't know the pilot behind the ships on scanner. We're concerened with the pilot more than the ship where with piracy it's the other way around. If we're looking only to PvP then this wastes valuable time obviously compared to piracey, warping in on a target found on scanner and having to bring up his info only to find they're ok and move on. It goes without saying that having to bring up their info is dangerous to us because we're wasting the element of surprise and being the first to engage if they are pirates.

So the pirate hunting game is similar in some respects to piracy itself but with a downside that lends to our disadvantage in PvP for the explained reasons.

Is there any advantage to combat you may ask? Yes. Unlike piracy where you most likely fit for going up against anything (though you can fit racially if you only plan on engaging those types of ships), we become familiar with local pirates and what they fly. We also can convo the pods we pick up on scanner and ask them the who, what, and how about their recent ship loss and go about engaging that pilot intelligently.

welsh wizard
0utbreak
KrautbreaK
Posted - 2007.02.03 21:34:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: welsh wizard on 03/02/2007 21:35:45
On the whole its boring.

If you're determined though:

*Stay small, maybe 15-20 active members at most.
*When sat in a low-sec system 'show info' everyone who comes in. Check their bios and their sec status. After a while you'll get to know the main pirate players and corps.
*Be liberal with the war-decs, you can never have too many wars.
*Ignore the flames on the forums. If you're an 'anti-pirate' and you're doing it right you're going to end up with a lowish sec status unless you have some way (missions, ratting) to keep it in check.
*Don't be afraid to engage in low-sec if the target has a pretty bad sec status (-2.0 -> -4.9). Be ready for sentry fire though. In general if their sec is low then they're nasty.
*Remember, most pirates like being pirates until they're on the recieving end then suddenly you're the pirate. Ignore the smack and don't be afraid to engage against the odds.
*Recruit decent covert ops pilots and make an alt corp for them. They're completely vital.
*Keep a sharp eye on Crime & Punishment and the politcal threads. 'Anti-pirating' is about intel. You need to know where the fight is.
*Most importantly don't stay in one place for too long, if you get a good thing going you'll clear and area and no-one will use it. Pirates in general tend to back down under pressure because its in their interests to make money not get into fights where they might get pounded. So keep moving every couple of months.

My old corp was the games original 'anti-pirate' corp and we got bored of it about a year ago because the game doesn't really support the career path. How do you avoid this? Stay small, keep the war-decs flowing and don't stay in one area for too long.

Good luck.

Amandi Casimi
Amarr
Celestial Janissaries
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.04 20:49:00 - [55]
 

[Quote] I'd bet every isk I have that if you went anti-pirate, you'd be a pirate within 6 months.


Alright... Send me your ISK! :) I have been anti-pirate for oh... going on 9-10 months now. And still not pirating. Oh... BTW... I protect innocents too, and I am not broke doing it. I get enjoyment from protecting people who really arn't all into PvP, and protecting the Amarr Empire.

As for converting you to the Amarr religion. :) Why not? That is fun!

Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2007.02.05 02:47:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Garreck on 05/02/2007 02:48:11
Originally by: Amandi Casimi
Originally by:
I'd bet every isk I have that if you went anti-pirate, you'd be a pirate within 6 months.


Alright... Send me your ISK! :) I have been anti-pirate for oh... going on 9-10 months now. And still not pirating.

Hush, rookie. You've more than 2 years to go to really prove your point Cool

Pirate hunting is fun, pirate hunting is likely driven by a lot of the same motivations as pirating itself (fun, action, pride, etc) and pirate hunters who are good at what they do most certainly are not condemned to ultimately become pirates themselves. I got involved on my first pirate kill in the fall of '03 (flying with Darth Solo, interestingly enough) and I haven't looked back.

Samirol
Love is Hate
Posted - 2007.02.05 03:03:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 27/01/2007 23:29:25
Originally by: Ikvar

Also stop posting, you're the new Thomus.


STOP POSTING?! STOP POSTING?! I KNOW NOT THE MEANING OF THOSE WORDS!

and whats a thomus
he was a forum ***** who got himself banned multiple times before he decided to quit.

apparently he came back

Glenntwo
Posted - 2007.02.05 07:47:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Glenntwo
you should be an anti pirate because you enjoy giving a player who is looking for an unfair fight (pirate) and extremely unfair fight (your friends show up and blow the guy after he attacks your bait ship)


There is a big difference between unfair fights and fights you think you can win you stereotyping douche


Stereo types are usefull and my statement about unfair fights i would guess is true 95% of the time if not more. Ive read numerous posts on this board about how 99% of the pvp a pilot has engaged in during the last year has heavily favored one side. Dont get your panties in a not over a sweeping generalization not applying to you. I get it, you take risks. Good for you. The person who started this thread is wondering about how to be an effective anti pirate. In discussing anti pirate tactics sweeping generalizations are a lot more usefull then listing every possible play stile that pirates might be engaging in.

Marhiquen'x
Amarr
Dansk pot ryger society.
Posted - 2007.02.10 16:22:00 - [59]
 

I'll Join YARRRR!! ho ho ho

Bardi MecAuldnis
Amarr
Sp00t
Posted - 2007.02.10 19:04:00 - [60]
 

Also, keep in mind that while the wardec path may keep your sec status clean, you also make enemy small ships a lot more dangerous (no sentries ftw).


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