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Torment
Caldari
Best Path Inc.
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2003.12.07 00:53:00 - [91]
 

Nobody is trying to avoid anything Ralith.

Archon is just posting our stance thats all.

Duke Droklar
Gallente
Omega Corp
Posted - 2003.12.07 10:39:00 - [92]
 

I understand Torment, Archon and the rest of those in RI. I also understand what a massivley difficult decision this is. Especially with the EV spin being whispered and the ramifications of actually standing up against EV.

It would be the wrong decision to stand by us simply out of old ties if you honestly believe the council is right in this matter and we are wrong.

Forget about everything else, follow your sense of right and wrong and you will be making the right decision for you no matter what that decision is. Words to live by...

Domon
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2003.12.08 05:28:00 - [93]
 

So now war has been officially declared at this time (another post).

Let it be known that Domon blew up an enemy Raven solo today. Didn't get a corpse tho. I even forget the persons name. Its not personal. You're just on the wrong side. Twisted Evil

Lanfear
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2003.12.08 06:30:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: Lanfear on 08/12/2003 06:32:05
Wow, a bit of a skirmish and 3 more SW battleships are lost with no losses on the OC side so far.


Asmodia
Gallente
SPECTRE Syndicate
Posted - 2003.12.08 07:35:00 - [95]
 

We found a coupse in HED in a wreck of a [EVER]Raven.

Could Dreez send an indi with ice-cream to my corpmate Brukhai Khan...

Kalki Nibiru
Gallente
Corporation 35
Posted - 2003.12.08 07:39:00 - [96]
 

Quote:
Edited by: Lanfear on 08/12/2003 06:32:05
Wow, a bit of a skirmish and 3 more SW battleships are lost with no losses on the OC side so far.




Wow the rebels make great spin doctors!

Maasu
Minmatar
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2003.12.08 13:49:00 - [97]
 

Edited by: Maasu on 08/12/2003 13:56:02
Edited by: Maasu on 08/12/2003 13:49:40
There's a dragon ball Z episode where Perfect Cell fights Trunks.

Trunks out powers Cell, and then goes to attack him, Trunks fails to strike Cell with any of the blows thrown, despite being far more powerful.

Cell carefully explains to Trunks that power is not everything.

This is your answer to our use of BlackBirds. I thought i'd use a cartoon to explain it seeing as your having trouble to understand what people have said already.


Asmodia
Gallente
SPECTRE Syndicate
Posted - 2003.12.08 14:51:00 - [98]
 

out tactic is based on chinese philo/myst :

Shuzi and Hang Shi(the Monkey King). Hang Shi was fighting against the armies of heaven and it looked like he lost...but he find a way to win by coping the fighting style of his enemies. Later he stole the pieces (Symbol of immortalilty) out of the Garden of the Godness of the northwest for the try to kill him. Very Happy


nails
Caldari
Ota Corps
Posted - 2003.12.08 15:09:00 - [99]
 

I still wouldn't mind have a good Yamato cannon attached to my ship.

Domon
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2003.12.09 14:57:00 - [100]
 

Edited by: Domon on 09/12/2003 15:01:01
Edited by: Domon on 09/12/2003 14:59:16
Quote:
Quote:
Edited by: Lanfear on 08/12/2003 06:32:05
Wow, a bit of a skirmish and 3 more SW battleships are lost with no losses on the OC side so far.




Wow the rebels make great spin doctors!


At that time, I believed what I said. However we failed to get the last BS that was reported...A little battle confusion and I'm sorry for it. And later after the post, I learned that we lost a BB. So if you count the one Domon killed earlier, thats 3 BS to one BB. So let the official record of that day stand at that.

BTW, before going to bed, I went back to change the post and as you can see it is posted by Lanfear (one of my alts), and I couldn't figure out how to edit the post with her as the poster.

Only thing I'm guilty of here is being a noob at posting (there was no 'edit' link to click, even tho it was my post, but there is NOW).

bUBbLeS
Minmatar
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2003.12.09 14:58:00 - [101]
 

can i send in t3h cake monsterz ?

Dreez
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Posted - 2003.12.09 15:44:00 - [102]
 

Asmodia.
Ive sent the Icecream to you, dont know
if it will still be good when it arrive thou.

Centuri
Minmatar
Destructive Influence
KenZoku
Posted - 2003.12.09 15:57:00 - [103]
 

The ol'd tie the icecream onto the back of the EV BS and they will ship it to empire trick eh Dreez? WinkRazz

bUBbLeS
Minmatar
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2003.12.09 15:59:00 - [104]
 

ICECREAM!!!!!

/excitement

Miso
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.12.09 16:10:00 - [105]
 

Hey, do you know that song "I'm forever blowing bubbles?"

Play your cards right, and that might come true...

Laby
Amarr
Eight Corp
Posted - 2003.12.09 16:24:00 - [106]
 

Is that an openended offer Miso?


bUBbLeS
Minmatar
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2003.12.09 16:26:00 - [107]
 

Quote:
Hey, do you know that song "I'm forever blowing bubbles?"

Play your cards right, and that might come true...


Donk3y has the singing voice...

my talents lay elsewhere Wink

Duke Droklar
Gallente
Omega Corp
Posted - 2003.12.10 13:47:00 - [108]
 

Quote:
The ol'd tie the icecream onto the back of the EV BS and they will ship it to empire trick eh Dreez?
ROFLMAO Laughing

Centuri
Minmatar
Destructive Influence
KenZoku
Posted - 2003.12.10 14:03:00 - [109]
 

Only prob is these days EV battleships seem to "disappear" once they enter stain. Wink

Spooky eh?

RAIDAKAOZ
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2003.12.11 00:46:00 - [110]
 

Good luck to both sides on this encounter...

I have no personal problems with anyone in OC, but I will enforce corp policy. So far I havent seen anyone not in a BB, and they tend to not stick around once FOF missiles start beating into them...

but seriously, dont hate the player, hate the game...

Mrs Lunatic
Amarr
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.12.11 13:54:00 - [111]
 

Edited by: Mrs Lunatic on 11/12/2003 13:54:34

Moe Sczyzlak
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2003.12.11 13:55:00 - [112]
 

Actually it tends to be a mix of battleships and cruisers. The way it's supposed to be, right?
Other than that you're right. Taking this GAME personally is a mistake.

Jagang
Gallente
Rubycom Matrix
United Corporations Of Modern Eve
Posted - 2003.12.12 09:12:00 - [113]
 

Edited by: Jagang on 12/12/2003 09:13:08
Duke, u forgot to mention in your history how u acquired the scorpion bp original (or is it an infinite bpc? can't remember...). Of course, u were too busy reminding us over and over again how u have babysitted and spoon feed us.

Tell us now. And please tell the truth, don't spin anymore stories.

Jag.

Domon
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2003.12.12 10:29:00 - [114]
 

Raidakaoz, oh no no no, you don't... I was playing around with ya'll in t-nn last night (didn't see ya there, btw...)

This is a no bullcrap story. I have an evemail from one of the enemy I fought. If you don't believe my story, message him in game...

It was me in a raven, just me. Ya'll used FoF missiles all right, but I didn't run...oh no.

There were seven of you. Using tactics, I made one of you dock with shields down and 3/4ths of his armor/hull gone there were seven enemies against me at the time. A little later, one SW member docked his three ships to go afk (ya'll know who I'm talkin about now :-) so there were 3 left outside the station. I didn't log off until I had to go to sleep. I think I can speak for everyone present that we all had fun.

Not only did I take on seven enemies, but I survived it and even made one person dock. This shows you the heart with which OC puts towards war, which I think none but an idiot or an ignorant can deny.

Anyways, I'd like to say to the participants, thanks for the fun. It certainly was the best time I've had in Eve in a long time.

Just so ya'll don't think I'm lying about that evemail... here it is...

2003.12.11 03:28:00
While like most enemies we all encounter there is always a desire to destroy. However i just wanted to say that tangling with you today was the most fun i've had against any other player out to destroy me :) Very few peeps who shoot at me ever earn my respect.

Tenavor

Duke Droklar
Gallente
Omega Corp
Posted - 2003.12.12 11:18:00 - [115]
 

Quote:
Duke, u forgot to mention in your history how u acquired the scorpion bp original (or is it an infinite bpc? can't remember...). Of course, u were too busy reminding us over and over again how u have babysitted and spoon feed us. -Jagang
You act as though there is some big secret. Empress of TC one of the few SA corps I still respect asked in council (during the early days) if any were interested in going in on a Scorp and they would receive an infinite copy for 200mill (or there abouts). OC as well as 1-2 other SA corps said yes and the deal was completed in due time. This is no different from any other group purchase plan that has been done a million times in Eve. The price was about normal, we advanced the money to TC and we got what we bargained for.

So what exactly is your point? Did we get some huge bargain? No, normal biz deal between allies. The main benefit was working a deal of this size with a trusted ally. Of course we wouldnt have trusted money up front to anyone BUT a trusted ally. Rolling Eyes



Jagang
Gallente
Rubycom Matrix
United Corporations Of Modern Eve
Posted - 2003.12.12 11:57:00 - [116]
 

I was referring to another matter. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I will relate it now as I know it.

Back in the days when we were all on the chase for original bs bp, Omega and SW, as allies, made a pact, to work together and make a joined purchase for the apoc original bp. To our dismay and surprise, when us, SW had 50% of the bp cost, Omega could not contribute with the other half.

No biggie, we continued to raise the money on our own and we've been among the first 5-10 corps in Eve to purchase an apoc orignal bp.

And now the thing that bothers me, that u forgot to mention, comes. You have asked us for an infinte apoc bpc at below the market price. If I remember correctly, we've sold it to u at about 200M below the market price at that moment. We were allies and friends, so we did it.

What did u do afterwards? Shortly after acquiring the infinite apoc bpc from us, u've sold it on the market, behind our backs, at normal market price.

That was one the things that broke the good relationships between our corps. And I suspect it was your decision to do so, Mr. Duke $ollar, not your corp.

I have, most probably wrongly, assumed that u've used the profit u've gained from that shameful stunt and whatever isk u had at that moment to buy an original scorpion bp. From what u've said, I assume u've probably had enough isk to purchase the scorpion bpc but still, u have taken advantage of our friendship and trust and made profit from our hard work.

I'm sure u'll find some excuses for this. For me, there are none u can put on the table. It was plain and simple, laim.

Jag.


P.S. On Monday, your infinite scorpion bpc will become limited. I am looking forward to the day when it will have 0 runs left Twisted Evil.

Korath
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2003.12.12 15:41:00 - [117]
 

Quote:
And now the thing that bothers me, that u forgot to mention, comes. You have asked us for an infinte apoc bpc at below the market price. If I remember correctly, we've sold it to u at about 200M below the market price at that moment. We were allies and friends, so we did it.

What did u do afterwards? Shortly after acquiring the infinite apoc bpc from us, u've sold it on the market, behind our backs, at normal market price.

That was one the things that broke the good relationships between our corps. And I suspect it was your decision to do so, Mr. Duke $ollar, not your corp.

I have, most probably wrongly, assumed that u've used the profit u've gained from that shameful stunt and whatever isk u had at that moment to buy an original scorpion bp. From what u've said, I assume u've probably had enough isk to purchase the scorpion bpc but still, u have taken advantage of our friendship and trust and made profit from our hard work.

I'm sure u'll find some excuses for this. For me, there are none u can put on the table. It was plain and simple, laim.



Sorry to burst you bubble but we still have that blueprint. It was never sold.

Duke Droklar
Gallente
Omega Corp
Posted - 2003.12.12 18:04:00 - [118]
 

Ahhhh, so that is what you're so uninformed and misguided about. Let see how the public feels about who is being ridiculous on the matter.

#1 SW offers an unaffiliated, non allied, could've been drawn from a hat corp, to purchase an unlimited copy of the Apoc for around 150 mill.

#2 I get wind of this and speak to SW. I am appauled to think that they did not even ask us if we were interested in an obviously good deal that they were offering to just anybody.

#3 SW withdraws the offer AFTER it had been agreed to and demands 250 mill if OC wants the same deal.

#4 After some haggling we agree to 200 mill and we receive the unlimited copy me1.

#5 A couple months go by and the Apoc copy no longer serves our needs. We offer it on trade channel at 400 mill (starting price, was hoping for about 300).

#6 SW gets bent out of shape claiming that we should sell it back to them at what we paid for it.

First of all, the deal was made very business like by SW with no consideration towards allies or EVEN what they had offered a corp SW didnt even know.

Secondly, what we do with OUR copy is absolutley none of your business when no "favors" were granted to us when we acquired it. So what exactly do you think we OWE you???

Thirdly, OC & SW agreed long before this that "sharing" ownership of originals was not a good idea.

Btw, I noticed you got nice and fat off the constellation of rares that OC GAVE you. Of course none of that ever figures into the SW mindset. Rolling Eyes


Jagang
Gallente
Rubycom Matrix
United Corporations Of Modern Eve
Posted - 2003.12.12 20:20:00 - [119]
 

Edited by: Jagang on 12/12/2003 20:26:25
Quote:
You act as though there is some big secret. Empress of TC one of the few SA corps I still respect asked in council (during the early days) if any were interested in going in on a Scorp and they would receive an infinite copy for 200mill (or there abouts). OC as well as 1-2 other SA corps said yes and the deal was completed in due time. This is no different from any other group purchase plan that has been done a million times in Eve. The price was about normal, we advanced the money to TC and we got what we bargained for.

Quote:
#4 After some haggling we agree to 200 mill and we receive the unlimited copy me1

First of all, the deal was made very business like by SW with no consideration towards allies or EVEN what they had offered a corp SW didnt even know.

Thirdly, OC & SW agreed long before this that "sharing" ownership of originals was not a good idea.


Errr, dude. How is an apoc unlimited bpc for 200M worse than a scorp unlimited bpc for 200M? Rolling Eyes. Oh, u do know that an apoc original bp costs about 2 times more than a scorp original bp, do u? Thus, also the unlimited bpc's prices must also have around the same ratio.


Quote:
#2 I get wind of this and speak to SW. I am appauled to think that they did not even ask us if we were interested in an obviously good deal that they were offering to just anybody

Quote:
Secondly, what we do with OUR copy is absolutley none of your business when no "favors" were granted to us when we acquired it. So what exactly do you think we OWE you???


Need I say more? Laughing

Jag.

Centuri
Minmatar
Destructive Influence
KenZoku
Posted - 2003.12.12 21:23:00 - [120]
 

Um, I think you didn't read Dukes post right, this is how I read it.

1) SW put apoc unlimited bp on OPEN market for 150mil.
2) OC show interest.
3) SW pull it off open market and say OC can have it for 250.
4) OC haggle it down to 200mil.

Why did SW charge OC 250mil when they were going to sell it to the open market for 150mil?


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