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raVn666
Dark Interstellar Crime Cartel
Posted - 2007.01.16 13:29:00 - [1]
 

Its sad...

to see so many piratecorp reform , to seek other adventures,
Both before and after Kali ive seen this tendency that more and more pirates fix theyr sec to go either
to 0.0, or go to empire to do high sec griefing with wardecs.
I do understand this developement, its all about risk vs reward , and more and more cant be arsed with
going outlaw anymore , cause the reward is so much less than the sacrefies you have to make..

My observertions :
There have never been less red blinking evil pirates in lowsec.
Old pirate institutions choose to go merch/0.0 and fix theyr sec standing.

It kinda makes me wonder if piracy is a proffession ccp really wants in this game.
Many of the changes done until now tell me the oposite.

So , what can tempt you my fellow Yarr-mateys to come back to lowsec and once again spread fear with
your evil red blinking apereance?

oh and ps.. its not that i dont mind all of you to stay out of lowsec , cause that means alot more targets for us , and we do get the action YARRRR!!




Puupuu
Latrocinium
Posted - 2007.01.16 13:33:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Puupuu on 16/01/2007 13:29:52
Mmm, more targets for me!

I couldn't possibly be bothered to fix my security status. Ratting is rather boring and I know I'd be -10 again in less than a week :(

PCaBoo
Ammo and Tag
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2007.01.16 13:35:00 - [3]
 

I see a lot less blinky reds, but I think it's because the anti-pi's are a lot more aggressive in hunting us via gate/station camp. It's really sad that people whine about gatecamps and blobbing, but then use the exact same tactic on others.

Jessickah
Minmatar
Lyptica
Posted - 2007.01.16 13:38:00 - [4]
 

People stay in high sec because its safe, and go to 0.0 because its worth it. The only people you find in belts in low sec aren't worth killing. People get bored of killing easy targets for no reward.

Make low sec appealing in some way and low sec piracy will flourish.

kublai
Guillotine Therapy
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2007.01.16 13:43:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: kublai on 16/01/2007 13:40:14
CCP has here a unique opportunity to cater to the casual gamer AND the griefers at once, not something you see happen often.

Problems with low sec:
Too few targets
Targets are rarely in belts or at planets where you can kill them without sentry tanking
Targets in low sec, unless pirate or anti-pirate (aka bored merc, not those idiots who fly around in bantam blobs) not worth killing.

Solutions:
Make low sec space profitable for carebears
Make low sec space worth "claiming" and using regularly

Things that must be avoided at ALL costs:
Making piracy simpler, as if that's going to attract richer and more targets...if you think it was barren before, add dictor bubbles etc.

Edith:
Personally I left low sec out of fear of what Ravn would do to me if I stayed Embarassed

Nir
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
Posted - 2007.01.16 13:45:00 - [6]
 

The way I look at it; Mining used to be a common profession in EVE. Then NPC hunting became more profitable, and mining suffered as a result. I honestly can't remember the last time I saw a mining op besides the macro kind.

Think about it, when was the last time you saw a thread on Crime & Punishment about ore theft? Nobody mines in EVE (on the scale of days gone by) so there ain't nothing to steal.

What i'm saying is, professions come and go. There is no written law somewhere that CCP should do everything in their power to uphold your chosen playstyle, just because it was mentioned on the retail box cover 4 years ago. Its a MMO, forever changing and so on and so forth. Smile

Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
Posted - 2007.01.16 14:25:00 - [7]
 

Get rid of local so the whole damn system doesn't dock when I show up Razz

(In before local arguments)

raVn666
Dark Interstellar Crime Cartel
Posted - 2007.01.16 14:30:00 - [8]
 

I agree ..

Making lowsec more attractive to the eve-community would gain everyone. Add something attractive to lowsec areas that cant be gained neighter in highsec or 0.0

The usual carebear whine would be that its to unsafe But honestly , your'e not safer in highsec or in 0.0 than in 01-04. In highsec you got hordes of griefing corps trowing wardecs all over , in 0.0 you have wars and nbsi policy.
I would actually say that lowsec areas are almost safer cause ppl are abonding them.

I would also think that it would be in ccp's interrest to get ppl more spread out on the map, Revealing some of the pressure in hub systems. Big alliances tend to pack themself together in main systems in 0.0 , and carebears in highsec.



T'Renn
Silver Snake Enterprise
Posted - 2007.01.16 14:31:00 - [9]
 

Yep... it sucks.

Easy solution - increase the good ores in low sec and the rat bounties and drops. Problem solved.

Of course, this will never happen, because you'll have every 0.0 alliance member this side of Toledo whining about it, and everyone already knows that all the Devs have Bob alts.

VIctoria Ballentyne
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.01.16 14:31:00 - [10]
 

Nope, have to say low sec piracy is not dying..... Been in various lowsecs in the past month and seen a lot of bad people in local and in space flashing away. Of course I've also seen some of these pirates turn into little piles of wreckage and it's not unknown for my supercharged pod to flee from the wreckage.

What I havn't seen for a while are the gank squads of pirates, which is good, but have seen an upsurge in the nano(Your BS here). Let them all go to 0.0... it keeps them away from our mining ops ;)


Akehno
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.01.16 14:38:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: PCaBoo
I see a lot less blinky reds, but I think it's because the anti-pi's are a lot more aggressive in hunting us via gate/station camp. It's really sad that people whine about gatecamps and blobbing, but then use the exact same tactic on others.


Hmmmm for me anti pirates are just pirates in soul who doesnt want to say they love to kill people :)

T'Renn
Silver Snake Enterprise
Posted - 2007.01.16 14:41:00 - [12]
 

an anti-pirate is just a pirate who thinks they're better than you and smacks in local.

lofty29
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.01.16 14:42:00 - [13]
 

Theres still plenty of us blinky-red types around, if you know where to look Twisted Evil

Jan Riksma
Caldari
Cosmic Fusion
Advocated Destruction
Posted - 2007.01.16 14:42:00 - [14]
 

Hi,

Don't think its dead just new tactics have to be used. Still kill enough in low sec to still my hunger.

Cheers,

Jan

Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
Posted - 2007.01.16 14:49:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: raVn666


The usual carebear whine would be that its to unsafe But honestly , your'e not safer in highsec or in 0.0 than in 01-04. In highsec you got hordes of griefing corps trowing wardecs all over , in 0.0 you have wars and nbsi policy.
I would actually say that lowsec areas are almost safer cause ppl are abonding them.




As a pirate you are honor bound to educate every one that pirates and the privateers(and other lesser known wardec tossers) are not griefers and what the difference is Cool

Ice Conch
Exit 13
Posted - 2007.01.16 14:57:00 - [16]
 

the biggest reward of low sec is agent missions. higher reward in low sec, and your choices are limited in 0.0.

If you find the mission runners, you find the targets

DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.01.16 15:07:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Nir
The way I look at it; Mining used to be a common profession in EVE. Then NPC hunting became more profitable, and mining suffered as a result. I honestly can't remember the last time I saw a mining op besides the macro kind.

Think about it, when was the last time you saw a thread on Crime & Punishment about ore theft? Nobody mines in EVE (on the scale of days gone by) so there ain't nothing to steal.

What i'm saying is, professions come and go. There is no written law somewhere that CCP should do everything in their power to uphold your chosen playstyle, just because it was mentioned on the retail box cover 4 years ago. Its a MMO, forever changing and so on and so forth. Smile



I Totally disagree with ya there, i think ccp has a resonsibility to uphold all ways of playing and make sure there is balance and opportunity for all professions whether it be mining,trading,pirating,couriers anything. all should be viable and profitable imo

DE



Donovan Killar
Caldari
Dirty Filthy Perverts
Posted - 2007.01.16 16:05:00 - [18]
 

Personally I would love to see better trades in low sec. I already do numerous runs through in and through it for good profit, though I never see quite the quantities I would like to. Yes thatís right I am one of the crazies who flies industrials through low sec. Oh and... havenít caught me yet! =P (actually thatís only partially true, you havenít caught me in an industrial yet. My Raven however didnít fare so well...)

No worries about me being a care bear thoughÖ.as I fully intend on joining you folks in low sec when I have some decent skills. I canít wait >=)

Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
Posted - 2007.01.16 16:12:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Donovan Killar
Personally I would love to see better trades in low sec. I already do numerous runs through in and through it for good profit, though I never see quite the quantities I would like to. Yes thatís right I am one of the crazies who flies industrials through low sec. Oh and... havenít caught me yet! =P (actually thatís only partially true, you havenít caught me in an industrial yet. My Raven however didnít fare so well...)

No worries about me being a care bear thoughÖ.as I fully intend on joining you folks in low sec when I have some decent skills. I canít wait >=)


Aren't you in TANK CEO's corp?

And decent skills for piracy are Gal cruiser 3, Drones 5, Med Hybrid 1, Propusion Jamming I, and High Speed Maneuvering. YARRRR!!

Donovan Killar
Caldari
Dirty Filthy Perverts
Posted - 2007.01.16 16:17:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Donovan Killar
Personally I would love to see better trades in low sec. I already do numerous runs through in and through it for good profit, though I never see quite the quantities I would like to. Yes thatís right I am one of the crazies who flies industrials through low sec. Oh and... havenít caught me yet! =P (actually thatís only partially true, you havenít caught me in an industrial yet. My Raven however didnít fare so well...)

No worries about me being a care bear thoughÖ.as I fully intend on joining you folks in low sec when I have some decent skills. I canít wait >=)


Aren't you in TANK CEO's corp?

And decent skills for piracy are Gal cruiser 3, Drones 5, Med Hybrid 1, Propusion Jamming I, and High Speed Maneuvering. YARRRR!!


Err...nope to the first part...

Gal cruiser x
Drones 3
Prop jamming 3
High speed manuvering 3

hmm guess I am not that far Very Happy

DeckardIRL
The Randoms
Posted - 2007.01.16 16:17:00 - [21]
 

There has been a massive explosion in the Eve population. That new population have not got the required industrial AND pvp skills to handle low sec yet. You need to give them a bit more time before you see lots more ppl in low sec. However, as a casual lvl4 missioner there is no shortage of piewats. But I do agree that low sec should have better riods to get more industrial corps in.... big mininig ops with protection from raiding piewat gangs will need very good roids to pay for those outlays....

Deck

Vito Parabellum
Fivrelde Corp
Posted - 2007.01.16 16:32:00 - [22]
 

Yeah, increase the quality of ore. Who's gonna risk his hulk on some stinkin jaspet? And rat bounties are really crap, I've seen at most a bc for 175k and they are far between. Most people that hang around in the low sec belts are newbies in frigs or a cruiser, not much to loot or ransom.

Don't need to flood the belts with good ores but have some belts spawn some good crap here and there. Maybe some of that stuff that never gets mined in 0.0 but dosent exist in lowsec, dunno what they are called, but that yields some zyd or something. Add a few low tier bs spawns (450k-650k) and you got a recipe for better equipped rat hunters. After all, lowsec is more dangerous than sitting in a empty system in 0.0 chaining 2M rats all day long.

Also probing out mission runners is a bit hard, I was 3 au straight below a (chinese farmer) mission that went on for over an hour and used all kinds of probes and never got a single hit. Whats up with that?

Tommy PodsPods
Posted - 2007.01.16 17:22:00 - [23]
 

I dunno how hard core pirates do it these days, Ive been doing a bit, and I dont see a huge amount of profit except once in maybe 50 kills.

I would say tweak the high sec to be less profitable, less belts, and tweak low sec with more battlecruiser and hauler spawns, adjust the sizes of the good ore roids to be a bit bigger, making zydrine and megacyte more available might be the only tweak needed though.

Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
Posted - 2007.01.16 17:31:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Tommy PodsPods
I dunno how hard core pirates do it these days, Ive been doing a bit, and I dont see a huge amount of profit except once in maybe 50 kills.

I would say tweak the high sec to be less profitable, less belts, and tweak low sec with more battlecruiser and hauler spawns, adjust the sizes of the good ore roids to be a bit bigger, making zydrine and megacyte more available might be the only tweak needed though.


leave megacyte in 0.0 but more incentive to mine up in lowsec is welcome.

Of course miners are a b*tch to catch when your all by yourself Mad

Gamble Dakota
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
Posted - 2007.01.16 17:54:00 - [25]
 

This isn't anything new. Low-Sec systems need to at least pretend to be mildly profitable again before it flourishes as it should, it's been *****ed about for some time. People expecting comparable rewards to 0.0 are lolworthy, but I agree that there should at least be a massive increase in BC spawns and rarer asteroids in the 0.1/0.2 systems. This benefits the entire Eve population, and will make a lot of people who get frustrated and quit due to the overwhelming pain of making isk without getting into 0.0. (Without mission running anyway).

As far as a dying profession, I'm glad. The less pirates there are the less competition I have and the less worried my targets will be.

Virgo I'Platonicus
0utbreak
Posted - 2007.01.16 18:12:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: raVn666


So , what can tempt you my fellow Yarr-mateys to come back to lowsec and once again spread fear with
your evil red blinking apereance?




Hmm. You have everything you need for that honey :p

Honestly i think that lowsec is not really the problematic thingy here. Cause gamemechanics wise i believe that lowsec is quite very fine and needs no tuning. What needs tuning is high sec and 0.0.
I find it a bit stupid that in 0.0 you get NO security drops for killing neutrals BUT you get a standing boost for killing NPC. Honestly i think that in a space where there are no sentry guns true pirates dont give a damn about their security status so i dont really understand why here are no standing drops in 0.0. Plus it'd make 0.0 more viable for trade , with alliances opening their doors to traders.... Imagine more convoys from one alliance to another, with definite routes, that could all be tackled by a RED BLINKING yarrzor.
So dont boost low sec, but nerf 0.0, make it give you standing drop for neutral kills (therefore you need wars in 0.0 too - i see no point in bob killing all alliances without ever declaring war on them) or make those rats not boost your standing(so much) OR put better standing boost to low sec( but i dont think that's good for game mechanics, i prefer the first option - especially since there's been some talk about constellation sovereignty which will allow alliances to put some constellatinos to use for open traffic and some closed to members only... at least that's my idea.
As for high sec...Delete Jita from the face of the EVE universe - blow it with failed titan weapon or something, put lvl 3 agents to lowsec too (most of them), lvl 4s should be far better in money/bounties for NPCers, cause frankly, there are less n less NPcers in low sec. They all went to high sec for lvl3 agents :/ or to 0.0 for belt chaining... sux either way.
Anyway. My 6cent.

V.

Virgo I'Platonicus
0utbreak
Posted - 2007.01.16 18:20:00 - [27]
 

As well maybe i should point out that a true pirate (-one that doesnt use alts for money making and everythign else) is supposed to be poor, to make do with his skills and some poor ship until he gets loot for something better. And i dont think that there are ANY TrUE pirates left out there. Could be wrong though, point them out to me, and i'll send my naked photo and an app to join them.
So the guys that you see frapping movies with uber vindicator (4bio+)ship n setups and the guys using MS in low sec for fun...dont really hit it.
I cant remember the last time i had a decent setup on any of my ships...ooops did i say that aloud?
My point was that too many people started ganking low sec with really too uber setups n ships, and that maybe lowsec isnt meant for those guys (ravn:hint :)) so why dont we or you... just leave low sec for 0.0 if you want more and better targets? I mean go kill bob noobs. Find some cool targets there you will.

My 7th cent.

V.:)

Shadrin
Gallente
Viper Intel Squad
Pure.
Posted - 2007.01.16 18:26:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: T'Renn
an anti-pirate is just a pirate who thinks they're better than you and smacks in local.


lmao ain't that the truth, quoteworthy

tiller
THE PILLAGE
Posted - 2007.01.16 18:30:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: tiller on 16/01/2007 18:40:16

I think the problem is solo piracy is just so difficult now, at least at gates.

Before Kali I would happily sit at a gate in a raven (yes, with 2 stabs) and take on any other BS 1 vs 1 under sentry fire. Now with Kali I can't use stabs and with the increase in tanks on ships with HP and cap changes there just is not time to take down targets the same size as myself.

If you are solo taking on large targets without means to warp when scrambled you have only one real option... to disengage if you think the fight is lost and wait for aggro so you can jump. Maybe this is the solution..... (I've not tried this method yet)

Alot of people argue that you should engage in PVP even if the odds are stacked against you... though true and alot of fun, if this is ALL you do day in day out the chances are you won't be able to continue with the lifestyle (losing countless ships a week)


The other MAJOR problem is solo piracy is not possible without a alt.. without a alt scouting you will be BBQd with in a hour absolutely no doubt.

Lucky I fly a alt with a 2nd acc and can run it same time as main, most are not so lucky.


Don't get me wrong, if you know what your doing you can still make alot of isk.. however, from experience most don't know and just die lots and ultimately give up piracy for other pursuits. He who camps a gate blind dies, if it's a low to high sec gate you will die within 20mins :D......use a alt well and you really are pretty immune to heros / blobs.

Get piracy right and you'll see + isk in your wallet, kill far more that you lose... ratios is the key.

My current kill death ratio this year is 79.2:1, thats not bad really and enough to just about break even with isk. Get the ratio alot higher and you'll start making big isk.


edit: when I refer to piracy above I talk only about non-consentual pvp at low sec gates (which is a form of piracy)

piepie
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2007.01.16 18:37:00 - [30]
 

In my days of pirating around hysera the only way i made money was gate camping, about 10-12 of us in feroxs. i think in total we made about 100millish over a week or two which at the time wasnt bad. It did get abit boring thoe as it was just sitting at a gate and there wasnt much to kill except mission runners at gates or the odd caracal in the belts. It would be a shame if it low sec pirating dies down thoe as i had some great times when i first started out.


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