open All Channels
seplocked EVE General Discussion
blankseplocked Players make too much ISK!
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Pages: [1] 2 3 4

Author Topic

Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.01.05 19:28:00 - [1]
 

There's been an inane amount of whining recently about NPC corps not getting taxed. While I am personally in favor of CCP giving into their whining, making 15% of NPC corp earning disappear into the void of space....and similiarly applying such a tax to all player corps, so that 15% of all their money disappears, I think that there's a more deep-seated issue.

Players have too much ISK.

Yes, 95% of the wealth in Eve is controlled by 5% of the people. Such is life. However, the enormous amounts of ISK pouring into the game every single day makes the global trend of expenses infinitely climb.

Please:

1. Make NPC bounties worth 1/2 as much as they are, or less. Virtually all ISK flowing into the game is from NPC rats.

2. Implement that 15% tax rate on NPC corps, as well as a factional 15% tax rate on all player corps. You've got to pay the man to keep a corporation. We need ISK sinks!

3. Take away insurance payouts for anyone in lowsec, 0.0, or involved on the aggressing side of a war. Insurance should only pay out in Empire space, and as the result of accidents or bad fortune. Suicide gankers should not get reimbursed.

4. Increase the cost of higher end skillbooks!


Happy trails!

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.01.05 19:31:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/01/2007 19:35:03

Inflation actually isn't that bad.

BPOs and skills are a massive sink on ISK, as are POSs.

If there's one perfectly fair thing CCP could do to limit inflation, it would be removing insurance. This would mean that people would have to fly smaller ships, so fleets would consist of more of a variety of ships.

Oh, and a "blanket 15% tax" is pointless--it would be the exact same thing as CCP simply decreasing all mission payouts and bounties by 15%.

And finally, the top 5% who earn tons of ISK don't do it through taxable means Laughing

P.S. A note to all responders to this thread: the OP is not serious about the blanket 15% tax idea, rather he is trying to provide yet another counterpoint to the other thread on the topic (the one about taxing NPC corporations), where he lost an argument.

Jim McGregor
Posted - 2007.01.05 19:33:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Jim McGregor on 05/01/2007 19:34:43

That would only punish newcomers to the game. The poor players will have a difficult time getting up to speed, while the ones with isk today wont suffer nearly as much.

And taking away insurance will lead to even less fights.

So if you were trying to accomplish something good with these changes, think again...

Nero Scuro
Jejaikaro Corporation
Posted - 2007.01.05 19:34:00 - [4]
 

Heavily agreed.

The death penalty is what makes EVE what it is, and there's no death penalty if you don't care about what you lose. The day BS loses became not only acceptable but commonplace was a bad day indeed. BS should never have been commonplace, they should have been rare with cruisers as the standard ship.

Kyria Timeyu
Pie Vendor
Posted - 2007.01.05 19:38:00 - [5]
 

No offense but a lot of what you said doesn't really make a lot of sense and you need to take some economics courses. Revelations basically stopped isk inflation and even led to a deflation as people bought massive amounts of new ship BPOs and bounty ratting was replaced by drones.

The isk/dollar exchange ratio actually went up over the past months on ebay.

DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
Posted - 2007.01.05 19:38:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Nero Scuro
Heavily agreed.

The death penalty is what makes EVE what it is, and there's no death penalty if you don't care about what you lose. The day BS loses became not only acceptable but commonplace was a bad day indeed. BS should never have been commonplace, they should have been rare with cruisers as the standard ship.


No

Lord Lothian
Posted - 2007.01.05 19:38:00 - [7]
 

Well, there are a shedload of ISK sinks ingame already.
Case and point, close to a Billion isk in skills to fly a carrier.

BallsSnatcher
Posted - 2007.01.05 19:40:00 - [8]
 


What the hell you talking about i have been playing 6 months, and money is still a pain in the ass. PVP is the isk sink, a corp can only afford so many losses. Then they break up, ask ASCN, I bet that titan was a big ISK sink they game is fine/ w any other game, the more time you play the more money you have unless your a tard Ammo is a isk sink, PVP is a big isk sink. You want to stablize the money, and market, bring to war to empire. Where all the care bear, monopoly guys can get some loses to eat up some of there fat piggy bank. YOu live in Empire pay a Concord Tax , a tax for them protecting you.

Kaimon ValDreth
Minmatar
Posted - 2007.01.05 19:40:00 - [9]
 

it only means that capital ships have become the more rare... while not really that rare but still rare enough bs are no the commons... eventually motherships will be the rare and capital ships will be common difference being that it will still take players just under a year to fly the common

Nero Scuro
Jejaikaro Corporation
Posted - 2007.01.05 19:44:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: DarkMatter
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Heavily agreed.

The death penalty is what makes EVE what it is, and there's no death penalty if you don't care about what you lose. The day BS loses became not only acceptable but commonplace was a bad day indeed. BS should never have been commonplace, they should have been rare with cruisers as the standard ship.


No


Noob.

See, I can be an unconstructive ass-hole too.

DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
Posted - 2007.01.05 19:58:00 - [11]
 

Quote:
See, I can be an unconstructive ass-hole too


You've had that down pat for quite some time...

Nothing should be forcefully rare (Not even T2, it should be mainstream by now). If ppl want to work towards a ship, buy one and fly it, they can... Don't need ppl like you telling them they can't because YOU want certain ships to be rare. Rolling Eyes

Get over it.

The T2 lottery is an artificial mechanism to keep T2 rare, and it's the biggest joke in this game...

Wilfan Ret'nub
Singularity.
The SUdden Death Squad
Posted - 2007.01.05 20:01:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: BallsSnatcher
...PVP is the isk sink...
...I bet that titan was a big ISK sink...
ISK sink is something that removes ISK from the game, not just from your wallet.

PVP doesn't do that even if you get ransomed instead of blown up. Titan was a massive mineral and time sink and a modest and very indirect ISK sink (factory rent, NPC goods to fuel POSes, BPOs).

Phiberoptick
Gallente
Nation of Muppets
Posted - 2007.01.05 20:27:00 - [13]
 

PVP is a great isk sink

SolApathy
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.01.05 20:29:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/01/2007 19:35:03


And finally, the top 5% who earn tons of ISK don't do it through taxable means Laughing




Tax Evasion 4tw just like a proper businessman

Nero Scuro
Jejaikaro Corporation
Posted - 2007.01.05 20:37:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote:
See, I can be an unconstructive ass-hole too


You've had that down pat for quite some time...

Nothing should be forcefully rare (Not even T2, it should be mainstream by now). If ppl want to work towards a ship, buy one and fly it, they can... Don't need ppl like you telling them they can't because YOU want certain ships to be rare. Rolling Eyes

Get over it.

The T2 lottery is an artificial mechanism to keep T2 rare, and it's the biggest joke in this game...



I didn't say anything about making battleships rare. By your logic I guess we should remove death-penalties entirely though, because they dictate what ships people can fly.

I can't fly a titan and I want to. You got a problem with that? Tough, I want to fly one and they should cost as much as any other ship.

Sylthi
Minmatar
Coreward Pan-Galactic
Holy Empire of The Unshaven
Posted - 2007.01.05 20:44:00 - [16]
 

The way I see it, inflation is driven MUCH more by the supply and demand side of the ecconomic equation than the isk supply in game. For proof of this one has to look no further than the price of the different HACs.

Case in point: All HACs are T2 ships. All T2 BPOs are more or less rare. So, almost all HACs have (roughly) the same amount of BPOs for them in the game. Why then, is there more than a 400% percent price difference between different models? One answer: popularity, and therefore demand. To get specific, you can pick up one of the cheapest versions of a HAC for under 70 million. But, the most popular and widely used version, you can BARELY touch for 300 million. Whats the only difference? Simple: how many are bought and thereby how much the makers of the item can get away with charging. The people want the ship, so they will pay the inflated price, It's that simple.

So, if you follow the logic through, why is there so much inflation in the game? Simple. Because CCP wants it that way. If they didn't, they would seed more T2 (and other rare) BPOs and BPCs. Is that a good or a bad thing? Well, that is a subject for another debate.


Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.01.05 20:45:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Sylthi
But, the most popular and widely used version, you can BARELY touch for 300 million.

Just wondering... which one is this? Cerberus and Vagabond are both roughly 200 million.

ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
Posted - 2007.01.05 20:46:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote:
See, I can be an unconstructive ass-hole too


You've had that down pat for quite some time...




QFT.


Nanobotter Mk2
Posted - 2007.01.05 20:47:00 - [19]
 

I highly doubt players have to much ISK, a certain few do I'll agree but most of us have very little extra ISK, and making ISK for msot players is a slow monotonous process. If anything the bottom end means for making ISK need a serious boost.

Isyel
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.01.05 20:48:00 - [20]
 

I have too much isk? Thank you for telling that to my allmighty wallet of compulsive emptiness.

If you really think everyone's having such an easy time getting isk you're delusional. I do indeed propose to lower gains tho, but mainly for those stupid lvl 4 missions in empire where with no risk you get rewards at least 3 times better than in certain 0.0 places (like Providence. Do you have any idea how much it sucks? Laughing).

Fix missions first, halved or even less bounties would make it even worse a grind than it is now to get money for us people who refuse to spend weeks and weeks GRINDING money to be able to pvp. Thought the point of eve was that you had choice not to grind? Well, it's hard for certain people as it is, and i don't want to play eve like it's some korean mmo. Evil or Very Mad

Of course that wouldn't affect the BPO owners at all and the mission *****s only minorly. Way to promote PvP. Rolling Eyes

subvert
Posted - 2007.01.05 21:30:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Curzon Dax

Yes, 95% of the wealth in Eve is controlled by 5% of the people. Such is life.



no, such is the broken T2 lottery system

Moghydin
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.01.05 21:36:00 - [22]
 

If you think it's too much ISK in game, try to do something that involves chance of losing ISK in the process. Of course, if someone is grinding agent all the time, it'll be too much ISK eventuallyRolling Eyes

Ather Ialeas
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.01.05 21:40:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: subvert
Originally by: Curzon Dax

Yes, 95% of the wealth in Eve is controlled by 5% of the people. Such is life.



no, such is the broken T2 lottery system


No, such is life. We're the hungry Africans of EVE.

nickky01
Viziam
Posted - 2007.01.05 21:45:00 - [24]
 

great, turn all the pvp'ers into carebears Rolling Eyes

some of us dont like to run missions all day, or sit in a system warping to each belt to make our money...hell you still lose 20-30 mil everytime your BS pops anyways Sad

Zephirz
Cruoris Seraphim
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2007.01.05 21:49:00 - [25]
 

It wont change anything. Simple because there is that person with 100bil in his wallet and he will always pay a million more than the next guy.

Srry but id like to be able to afford a hac sometime soon...

Apocryphai
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2007.01.05 22:13:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote:
See, I can be an unconstructive ass-hole too


You've had that down pat for quite some time...




QFT.




QFE.

And about death penalties.... logoffski seems to be the 2nd biggest whine on these forums - a DIRECT result of high death penalties, hmm?

Coasterbrian
Grenadiers
Posted - 2007.01.05 22:19:00 - [27]
 

Rolling Eyes

Apocryphai
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2007.01.05 22:20:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Coasterbrian
Rolling Eyes


I see your Rolling Eyes and raise you a Shocked.

Arrgs
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2007.01.05 22:28:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Apocryphai
Originally by: Coasterbrian
Rolling Eyes


I see your Rolling Eyes and raise you a Shocked.


I raise you Laughing

subvert
Posted - 2007.01.05 22:29:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: subvert on 05/01/2007 22:30:31
Quote:
Quote:
Originally by: Ather Ialeas
Such is life.



no, such is the broken T2 lottery system


No, such is life. We're the hungry Africans of EVE.


no, such is the broken T2 lottery system


Pages: [1] 2 3 4

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only