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abko
Posted - 2006.12.30 20:45:00 - [1]
 

installed a few rigs but i am confused now.
Installed -10% rate of fire and -15% explosion radius rigs.
As long as i dont install any ballistic control units all is fine i get the results i wanted. But when i put in a bcu i dont get the compleet rate of fire bonus nor do i get the damage bonus.
Why? there is nothing mentioned about a stacking penaly in combination with bcu's.
For me, flying with 3x bcu the result of the rigs is 0.19sec gain in rate of fire and a decrease of app. 30 damage on my cruise missiles.

Wilfan Ret'nub
Singularity.
The SUdden Death Squad
Posted - 2006.12.31 11:09:00 - [2]
 

Working as intended.

If you read item descriptions carefully, you'll notice this: "Penalty: Using more than one type of this module or similar modules that affect the same attribute on the ship will be penalized.". This means stacking is done per attribute, not per item category.

I think the only items especially excluded from stacking penalty are damage controls, but there are also plenty of attributes that don't have the penalty, e.g. shield/armor/hull HP and capacitor recharge time/capacity.

abko
Posted - 2006.12.31 12:52:00 - [3]
 

But why do i also do less damage, i dont have a damage rig installed?
As it is now, i do less damage/sec as i did before i installed the rigs.Confused

Max Warg
Caldari
Chosen Path
Posted - 2006.12.31 15:09:00 - [4]
 

Because you get a rate of fire incresse with a explosion radius penalty (smaller explosion). So higher rate of fire with a little less damage.

Estrago
Caldari
Raype Inc.
Posted - 2007.01.22 23:38:00 - [5]
 

But the Missile rigs don't reduce damage, thier drawback is increased CPU. As to why you're doing less damagedid you take off a BCU? A BCU gives a better increase than the rigs. I just want to know if the explosion radius rig works on torps. If so, I'm fitting it on all my Ravens.

Frug
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2007.01.23 01:00:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Max Warg
Because you get a rate of fire incresse with a explosion radius penalty (smaller explosion). So higher rate of fire with a little less damage.


Wow. A smaller explosion is a bad thing now? Jeez I should stop training missile precision before I totally nerf my character.

Dez Erichs
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2007.01.23 12:12:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Max Warg
Because you get a rate of fire incresse with a explosion radius penalty (smaller explosion). So higher rate of fire with a little less damage.


Sorry, but you have it completely wrong here. Let me give an example:

Rocket explosion radius: 20m
Light missile explosion radius: 50m
Bane torpedo radius: 400m

Raptor sig radius: 34m
Kestrel sig radius: 47m
Raven sig radius: 460m

The gist of it is, you want the lowest explosion radius possible. It's not intuitive, but it is how CCP implemented it. If the explosion radius of your missile is less than the sig radius of the ship you are shooting at, the missile will do full damage (ignoring the ship velocity). If the explosion radius of your missile is greater than the sig radius of the ship you are shooting at, there is some damage reduction.

In the above example, rockets will do full damage to all 3 ships, light missiles will only do full damage to the Raven, and torpedoes will only do full damage to the Raven as well. If a ship has a sig radius of 40m and gets hit with a torpedo with an explosion radius of 400m, the damage is reduced to 10% of the full torpedo damage.

This is where rigs that increase precision come in. You use rigs that decrease explosion radius to do more damge to smaller targets.

Explosion velocity comes in where ships are moving very quickly. I recall orbiting a Raven in my Crow at 7km/s. The explosion velocity of torpedoes is 250m/s. The Raven's torpedoes were hitting me for 0.0 damage because my Crow is moving so quickly, even though the MWD increases the sig radius of my crow up to 150m.

Refer to the tracking and missile guides here:

Tracking
Missiles

And, a shameless plug for Agony Unleashed's PvP school:
www.agony-unleashed.com

Cheers!
-Dez


 

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