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Xavier Raines
Posted - 2006.12.19 05:32:00 - [31]
 

I will put it in even more simple terms.

A) Only way to survive in 0.0 is to belong to a corp out there. {Unless you are some gate camping pirate.}

B) Belonging to a corp in 0.0 means you are often REQUIRED to go on corp ops, mine, gatecamp ect when THEY tell you to. Many times this requires you to be in on voice communications as well. That is the tradeoff for having access to all of the riches out there.

C) Most people refuse to put up with (B) and will happily accept less riches in exchange for their in-game freedom and more leisurely play styles.

I am not saying one way is more "right" than the other but that is the most common mindset of the Empire dweller.

Saying "Hey, just come out here to 0.0! it is more fun than boring Empire!" isn't going to cut it.

Shameless Avenger
Posted - 2006.12.19 05:48:00 - [32]
 

I just hate doing sentry duty... Evil or Very Mad

Ripley Anachira
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2006.12.19 05:53:00 - [33]
 

I live in Empire because,
1) I'm a newbie and would like to have a nice and friendly introduction to everything Eve-O has to offer, and
2) I have no idea how to get started in lowsec/0.0,...

Why doesn't CCP make a tutorial based upon 0.0?
(It explains you what to do there, the risks, the possible gain, ..)

Aphotic Raven
Gallente
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.12.19 06:10:00 - [34]
 

I agree with the OP, get out of empire NOW. If you have: 1 mil-ish SP in learning and 3 mil in... pretty much anything (battleship + t1 hardeners = isk) then find a way into 0.0,
Its not hard, i have some carebear friends making the leap of faith... pure blind is a good region since theres lots of empty/unclaimed systems, but the moneys not that good.. . still how many 1.25mil battleship spawns do you get in empire? not a lot i'd assume.

Make an alt, get a shuttle, when you're bored just travel out there... give it a shot...

If you have 8.0 standing with a corporation get a jumpclone, you have NO excuse for not trying...

And yes you will die. you will get popped and podded and wake up in jita in a hailstorm of lag but... after a while you will amass enough cash to replace your ships with ease.

Find an out of the way system, with low traffic, make some safespots, and rat your ass off. Mining 0.0 is a ***** unless you're in a good group so stick to ratting until you can join an alliance..

Just because someone trys to kill you does not mean they wont recruit/help you.
Pretty much everyone shoots neutrals, dont take it personally...

I was an enemy of IRON for months as part of Eternal Empire but when that went down the toilet i was suprised to find they accepted me into their ranks with not even 1 word about our previous conflicts.

The people of 0.0 respect the will to fight, it IS safer and full of better people than low sec. So give it a go.... if i can make a reccomendation... Thorax+1600mm plate+nos/small blasters+Micro warp = win.

Just do it!(copywright infringement...)

Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
Posted - 2006.12.19 06:11:00 - [35]
 

Well I fully understand the OP. I have been living exclusively in 0.0 for over 6 months now. I only go into high sec on raids and I hate the place. I hate CONCORD, I hate sentry guns & I hate the crowds.

I actually feel safer in 0.0. No complex mechanics like flagging / can agro / ZOMG I slipped and hit the ECM burst gubbins. I can't be bothered. If I see a hostile ship I engage or I run. If I see an abandoned wreck I loot / salvage it (unless there is someone coming back for it, and they are not hostile).

I don't think everyone should go out to 0.0, I think people should be free to live in high sec if they want. But, like the OP sadi. If you find it unfulfilling try the frontier.

Originally by: Xavier Raines
I will put it in even more simple terms.

A) Only way to survive in 0.0 is to belong to a corp out there. {Unless you are some gate camping pirate.}

B) Belonging to a corp in 0.0 means you are often REQUIRED to go on corp ops, mine, gatecamp ect when THEY tell you to. Many times this requires you to be in on voice communications as well. That is the tradeoff for having access to all of the riches out there.

C) Most people refuse to put up with (B) and will happily accept less riches in exchange for their in-game freedom and more leisurely play styles.

I am not saying one way is more "right" than the other but that is the most common mindset of the Empire dweller.

Saying "Hey, just come out here to 0.0! it is more fun than boring Empire!" isn't going to cut it.


A) If you are in a corp and you go out there, you will belong to a corp out there. Wink My corp existed before we moved to 0.0. We didn't join a corp already out there.

B) You are? Yes we have ops but if you can't make it you can't. Sometimes we jsut have high tax periods to raise revenue. We use that to expand our operation. That is of benefit to the corp. It's called teamwork, you know, working together for a common goal. You make it sound like slavery.

I don't see what is wrong with voice comms either. Teamspeak and Ventrillo are free. If you don't have a mic (and can't pony up $6 for one) then just listen in for orders. Voice comms are vastly more efficient than typing. It's a laugh too.

There are a lot of myths about the 0.0 life. I guess only those who live out there will ever understand. The OP was not saying everyone has to move out of high sec. Just that if high sec isn't doing it for you instead of contracting all your stuff to Telemicus Thrace that you should consider trying life on the frontier.

Aphotic Raven
Gallente
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.12.19 06:13:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Ripley Anachira
I live in Empire because,
1) I'm a newbie and would like to have a nice and friendly introduction to everything Eve-O has to offer, and
2) I have no idea how to get started in lowsec/0.0,...

Why doesn't CCP make a tutorial based upon 0.0?
(It explains you what to do there, the risks, the possible gain, ..)


Its dangerous and random... its like empire with no gate guns and no concord... nothing more nothing less... the cash out there is insane though.. even in some backwater craphole that no corp/alliance want you will still get battleship rats ranging from 650k to 1.2mil and a tasty assortment of cruisers and battlecruisers to fuel your wallet, a good BC can kill them easily and any battleship will do the job as well!

Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
Posted - 2006.12.19 06:20:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Aphotic Raven
Originally by: Ripley Anachira
I live in Empire because,
1) I'm a newbie and would like to have a nice and friendly introduction to everything Eve-O has to offer, and
2) I have no idea how to get started in lowsec/0.0,...

Why doesn't CCP make a tutorial based upon 0.0?
(It explains you what to do there, the risks, the possible gain, ..)


Its dangerous and random... its like empire with no gate guns and no concord... nothing more nothing less... the cash out there is insane though.. even in some backwater craphole that no corp/alliance want you will still get battleship rats ranging from 650k to 1.2mil and a tasty assortment of cruisers and battlecruisers to fuel your wallet, a good BC can kill them easily and any battleship will do the job as well!


Depending on the rat you can use a high trans-v and use a cruiser or even an AF to rat out there.

I also find the people friendlier, even the ones trying to kill me. Laughing

Xavier Raines
Posted - 2006.12.19 06:26:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Xavier Raines on 19/12/2006 06:39:20
Edited by: Xavier Raines on 19/12/2006 06:34:47
Edited by: Xavier Raines on 19/12/2006 06:32:11
Edited by: Xavier Raines on 19/12/2006 06:28:28
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Well I fully understand the OP. I have been living exclusively in 0.0 for over 6 months now. I only go into high sec on raids and I hate the place. I hate CONCORD, I hate sentry guns & I hate the crowds.

I actually feel safer in 0.0. No complex mechanics like flagging / can agro / ZOMG I slipped and hit the ECM burst gubbins. I can't be bothered. If I see a hostile ship I engage or I run. If I see an abandoned wreck I loot / salvage it (unless there is someone coming back for it, and they are not hostile).

I don't think everyone should go out to 0.0, I think people should be free to live in high sec if they want. But, like the OP sadi. If you find it unfulfilling try the frontier.

Originally by: Xavier Raines
I will put it in even more simple terms.

A) Only way to survive in 0.0 is to belong to a corp out there. {Unless you are some gate camping pirate.}

B) Belonging to a corp in 0.0 means you are often REQUIRED to go on corp ops, mine, gatecamp ect when THEY tell you to. Many times this requires you to be in on voice communications as well. That is the tradeoff for having access to all of the riches out there.

C) Most people refuse to put up with (B) and will happily accept less riches in exchange for their in-game freedom and more leisurely play styles.

I am not saying one way is more "right" than the other but that is the most common mindset of the Empire dweller.

Saying "Hey, just come out here to 0.0! it is more fun than boring Empire!" isn't going to cut it.


A) If you are in a corp and you go out there, you will belong to a corp out there. Wink My corp existed before we moved to 0.0. We didn't join a corp already out there.

B) You are? Yes we have ops but if you can't make it you can't. Sometimes we jsut have high tax periods to raise revenue. We use that to expand our operation. That is of benefit to the corp. It's called teamwork, you know, working together for a common goal. You make it sound like slavery.

I don't see what is wrong with voice comms either. Teamspeak and Ventrillo are free. If you don't have a mic (and can't pony up $6 for one) then just listen in for orders. Voice comms are vastly more efficient than typing. It's a laugh too.

There are a lot of myths about the 0.0 life. I guess only those who live out there will ever understand. The OP was not saying everyone has to move out of high sec. Just that if high sec isn't doing it for you instead of contracting all your stuff to Telemicus Thrace that you should consider trying life on the frontier.




A) Most people in Empire are in the noob starter corp and perfectly happy with that situation. /shrug

B) Yes you are {if you are on.} Some corp Ops are fun and some DO feel like slavery. For example: I was once required to sit 6 hrs straight at a gatecamp during an Alliance war/POS kill session to lock down the system and not one hostile came through the whole time......Big Fun!! Sure i could have said I had to go log off. However, the corp gets upset that you are leaving them shorthanded. Especially if you are a newer member.

And yes, I know what teamwork is. My point is some people don't want to work as a team but prefer doing their own thing with the few hrs a day in which they play. Do you understand this because I am not sure how I can explain it any clearer......sheesh.

I also never said anything was wrong with Voice Communications. I said some people don't like it and won't have anything to do with it. Personally, I used to dislike the idea of Vent and TS until I tried them and I agree they are fun to use in this game.

Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
Posted - 2006.12.19 07:19:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Xavier Raines

...My point is some people don't want to work as a team but prefer doing their own thing with the few hrs a day in which they play. Do you understand this because I am not sure how I can explain it any clearer......sheesh.
...


Woah there sparky. Stay in a noob corp in empire and play on your own. I don't care. Sounds like you were in a pretty bad outfit but then again I can tell you ain't a team player so your view is probably biased.

Nobody is saying you have to live in 0.0, just that it is a fun life and worth checking out if you don't like empire Eve. Why so worked up?


Xavier Raines
Posted - 2006.12.19 07:44:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Xavier Raines on 19/12/2006 07:48:52
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Originally by: Xavier Raines

...My point is some people don't want to work as a team but prefer doing their own thing with the few hrs a day in which they play. Do you understand this because I am not sure how I can explain it any clearer......sheesh.
...


Woah there sparky. Stay in a noob corp in empire and play on your own. I don't care. Sounds like you were in a pretty bad outfit but then again I can tell you ain't a team player so your view is probably biased.

Nobody is saying you have to live in 0.0, just that it is a fun life and worth checking out if you don't like empire Eve. Why so worked up?





I didn't even give you "my view" {other than that gatecamp example} because I was discussing some of the more common reasons (posted) why people don't want to go to 0.0.

I could describe my month and a half 0.0 corp experiance to you and explain why it wasn't exactly my cup of tea...but why should I? Who are you? ...lol

I am not worked up by this subject whatsoever. I just dislike stupid people and have a bad habit of responding to idiots on forums when i am bored. I know it is childish but then again. /shrug


Jokesta
Gallente
Group 2
Veni Vidi Vici Alliance
Posted - 2006.12.19 07:59:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Xavier Raines
Originally by: Jokesta
Generaly speaking i really dont get the 0.0 vs empire arguments. Ultimately empire provides a solid core industrial base for the game and Why should somone be forced to change how they play?.

That said I probly fall into the category of Empire player willint to at least try lowsec/0.0 but not wishing to leav emy corp wher emy friends are.


I would dscribe myself as an average player i lose a ship every other week in a mission usualy becaus ei had an oopsy while playing 1-2 hours some nights on weekdays and longe ron weekends.

I dont mine I find it boring as sin but I also hav eno interest PVP ive played on-line games since 1994 and im aware of the mechanics of pvp have little to do with fun or challenge.

(this may not be true for fleet battls but id say is fairly accurate about low sec pvp encounters and my occasional foray into 0.0)

I wouldnt describe myself as a care bear as I am willing to take the risk. Lately i have found lowsec "alright" while ratting I actualy found people in 0.1 t .4 sec much more willing to comunicate and negotiate ad while i cant always identify pirates to avoid them i can alot of the time.

But why would i want to mve to 0.0 fulltime where id be expected to pvp constantly in somones war? My friend who did move to 0.0 though is now making isk hand over fist just isnt something i want to do and i am not sure why people feel compelled to force me into doing it?.

(wich about every 4th post on this forum seems to be about)




Who is "forcing" you to do anything? Everytime one of these thinly veiled posts about 0.0 or high Sec pops up, 3 or 4 moronic carebears proceed to whine "OMG!!!!...THEY ARE FORCING ME TO PLAY THEIR WAY!!!!"

To the OP: Just because you were bored with your short jaunt in Empire doesn't mean people really care or agree with your perception of it. If it is your intent to get more people out there, I suggest targeting the CEO of 0.0 corps and tell them to make it a more attractive experiance. Many people like "being their own boss" even if the rewards are smaller.

I have been on both sides of the fence and I don't think 0.0 is all it is cracked up to be. Sure it is possible to make a bazillion isk and be "cool and stuff." However, I prefer to not play a game on someone elses terms and most times,would rather do my own thing. I am sure many "carebears" will echo those sentiments.



See thats the attitude that is the problem. In a way exactly what iw as talking about. You put the onus on empire people being the agitators and use derogatory terms for them based on their style of play.

I see it every day in these forums and to be honest its *bleep*. Theres about fifty posts on here a day by people screaming how good missionr unners nd empire people have it easy and using arguments like risk/reward to justify their visceral hatred for people who play the game differently. Most of the the view is threw rose coloured glasses.

Really ultimately i dont see why people in 0.0 care how people in empire play their game. (stuff like macrominers aside etc)

Andrue
Amarr
Posted - 2006.12.19 08:45:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Xavier Raines
I will put it in even more simple terms.

A) Only way to survive in 0.0 is to belong to a corp out there. {Unless you are some gate camping pirate.}

B) Belonging to a corp in 0.0 means you are often REQUIRED to go on corp ops, mine, gatecamp ect when THEY tell you to. Many times this requires you to be in on voice communications as well. That is the tradeoff for having access to all of the riches out there.

C) Most people refuse to put up with (B) and will happily accept less riches in exchange for their in-game freedom and more leisurely play styles.

I am not saying one way is more "right" than the other but that is the most common mindset of the Empire dweller.

Saying "Hey, just come out here to 0.0! it is more fun than boring Empire!" isn't going to cut it.
Exactly right. The issue with (B) isn't that it's wrong, either. Corps need to operate that way out there to survive. Furthermore for those that can stomach it I'm sure it's good fun.

Nontheless as you and others have posted a lot more people don't want to be ordered around and/or don't want the guilt from not being able to help in the struggle to survive.

A lot of people spend 8 hours a day being told what to do and having to 'fight the good fight'. When they are back at home they want to relax and to enjoy at least the illusion of personal freedom. I have been "bimbling around" in Empire for over a year now and I enjoy it. The lack of stress and freeform nature is relaxing.

Doc Extropy
Gallente
Cruentus Invicta
The Covenant Alliance
Posted - 2006.12.19 09:04:00 - [43]
 

Empire space is rather boring. Of course, grinding missions is interesting for the first few months (gives you a start), but the fun really is @ 0.0.

Imagine your whole Eve - life being a great mission with always changing objectives and human (not npc) agents. This is 0.0.

Tachy
Posted - 2006.12.19 09:11:00 - [44]
 

0.0 is no fun if you're not willing to digest all the petty politics.

Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2006.12.19 09:20:00 - [45]
 

Empire can be a lot of fun, or it can be totally boring.

0.0 can be a lot of fun, or it can be totally boring.

It depends completely on what you do (and like to do), what corp/alliance you're with, and on some bit of luck.

Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
Posted - 2006.12.19 09:21:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Xavier Raines
Edited by: Xavier Raines on 19/12/2006 07:48:52
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Originally by: Xavier Raines

...My point is some people don't want to work as a team but prefer doing their own thing with the few hrs a day in which they play. Do you understand this because I am not sure how I can explain it any clearer......sheesh.
...


Woah there sparky. Stay in a noob corp in empire and play on your own. I don't care. Sounds like you were in a pretty bad outfit but then again I can tell you ain't a team player so your view is probably biased.

Nobody is saying you have to live in 0.0, just that it is a fun life and worth checking out if you don't like empire Eve. Why so worked up?





I didn't even give you "my view" {other than that gatecamp example} because I was discussing some of the more common reasons (posted) why people don't want to go to 0.0.

I could describe my month and a half 0.0 corp experiance to you and explain why it wasn't exactly my cup of tea...but why should I? Who are you? ...lol

I am not worked up by this subject whatsoever. I just dislike stupid people and have a bad habit of responding to idiots on forums when i am bored. I know it is childish but then again. /shrug




Wow, so much hate. So the views you expressed are not your own, and you are calling me an idiot. You are also bored. Despite my name, corp and alliance being listed (the only details about me you need to know) you don't know who I am.... and you are calling me stupid.

Well, I do find Empire boring so I can understand why you are bored. As for all this angst, I did say the people out in 0.0 are friendlier.

Wow. Please, stay in high sec. Laughing

Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2006.12.19 09:24:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Doc Extropy
Empire space is rather boring. Of course, grinding missions is interesting for the first few months (gives you a start), but the fun really is @ 0.0.

Imagine your whole Eve - life being a great mission with always changing objectives and human (not npc) agents. This is 0.0.


Well, as a counterpoint, belt ratting in 0.0 is even more boring than missions (though it does generate more isk/hour), and "fun" is totally dependent on what's going on in the region you're in. For most people, sitting at a gate camp for 4 hours straight is enough to make 1.0 veldspar mining seem like an attractive hobby. Very Happy

Empire warfare is just as complex and intresting as 0.0 warfare. As an added bonus, you have civilians who get in the way and Concord with big guns pointed your way. Boring it's not.

So again, it's not a factor of 0.0 vs. Empire, it's more about what you actually do and what alliance you're with. You can do the same boring rat/mission/mine grind in 0.0 as in Empire.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2006.12.19 09:31:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Xavier Raines
I will put it in even more simple terms.

A) Only way to survive in 0.0 is to belong to a corp out there. {Unless you are some gate camping pirate.}

B) Belonging to a corp in 0.0 means you are often REQUIRED to go on corp ops, mine, gatecamp ect when THEY tell you to. Many times this requires you to be in on voice communications as well. That is the tradeoff for having access to all of the riches out there.

C) Most people refuse to put up with (B) and will happily accept less riches in exchange for their in-game freedom and more leisurely play styles.

I am not saying one way is more "right" than the other but that is the most common mindset of the Empire dweller.

Saying "Hey, just come out here to 0.0! it is more fun than boring Empire!" isn't going to cut it.


So find a more easygoing corp. I don't think it's too much to ask the members to put in a few hours each month to help pay for things like outposts, but both the corps I have belonged to have been quite happy to let their members go off and do their thing for days or weeks at a time, as well as being *very* helpful to the FNG.

But being in a corp that is helpful and welcoming to n00bs means that it has to spend time and ISK doing so, which means that once you're settled in, you should spend some time & ISK doing so.

Tasuric Orka
Antares Fleet Yards
Molotov Coalition
Posted - 2006.12.19 09:40:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Tasuric Orka on 19/12/2006 09:40:41
Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Empire warfare is just as complex and intresting as 0.0 warfare. As an added bonus, you have civilians who get in the way and Concord with big guns pointed your way. Boring it's not.


Yeah.. i don't think so. It's different, but its not as complex or interesting at all. You cant deploy bubbles, so you cant keep a solid hold on a gate without some uber camp, you cant really go out and "hunt" people, because when you get too close for comfort, or too strong, the enemy just docks and smacks you in local for blobbing. Ships can be purchased everywhere, and so can ammo.

In 0.0 you can can take all the save havens of your enemy away, blow up their POS, take their stations, take their production facilities, kill their miners, pop haulers.. you can force them back to empire if you are relentless enough, and in return you'll get something you can use to expand your own empire.

Empire is not atractive for me anymore, i've been in 0.0 for only a short while and let me tell you i feel just fine, with these Privateer gankbears running around down there it's actually much safer up here, the rats are great, the ores are awesome, and the ability to do whatever i want without some wtfpwnbbq concord squad showing up.. yeah, to hell with that overcowded festering ****hole.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2006.12.19 10:03:00 - [50]
 

"Well, as a counterpoint, belt ratting in 0.0 is even more boring than missions "

Speak for yourself; I find ratting much more interesting; the uncertainty, the chance of a really great spawn (THANK YOU Dread Gurista Dismantler for that drop!)...

DangermanUK
Caldari
JezCorp
Posted - 2006.12.19 10:37:00 - [51]
 

Why did you assume a guy mining in a belt in Empire was a macro? Lots of people mine in Empire, they are not all macros. Quite frankly he was right to destroy your ship, ore thieves deserve no better Laughing

Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2006.12.19 11:53:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Tasuric Orka

Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Empire warfare is just as complex and intresting as 0.0 warfare. As an added bonus, you have civilians who get in the way and Concord with big guns pointed your way. Boring it's not.


Yeah.. i don't think so. It's different, but its not as complex or interesting at all. You cant deploy bubbles, so you cant keep a solid hold on a gate without some uber camp, you cant really go out and "hunt" people, because when you get too close for comfort, or too strong, the enemy just docks and smacks you in local for blobbing.



Well, matter of taste I guess. I tend to find the guerrile style warfare you have to use in Empire warfare to be more interesting than the endless bubble camps and blobs you find in 0.0, but YMMV of course.

Just saying that it's simplistic to say all the interesting action is in 0.0. It's not. You need different tactics, of course. Very Happy

Ladyah Liandri
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.12.19 12:14:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Irashi

:
to high sec griefers/pirates/whatever the bums call themselves.
:



I am not a bum, you little zerosecbear Cool


SSgt Sniper
Gallente
SSgt Sniper Temporary corp
Posted - 2006.12.19 12:36:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Originally by: Irashi
Soon after kali I made a new alt, mainly to try out the char creation system. I sent him around lonetrek trying to find some ore to mine in his ibis, I lost interest after I think 5 whole minutes, which is quite good as far as my mining ops go. So there I was in the heart of empire, bored, in a character with an ibis, when I saw a retriever across the belt accompanied by a hauler. "Aha, a macro, your ore is mine!"

Anyway I stole 1 unit of scordite and he engaged me with drones. I galliently fought back with my ibis, putting all my intensive FIX pvp training into effect. Then after I died he convoed me, which I thought was odd for a macro. During the conversation he revealed that he wasn't a macro, he was willing to reimburse my loss (Laughing), and that he was twitchy because he'd lost 2 retrievers during the week to high sec griefers/pirates/whatever the bums call themselves.

SO we arrive at my point... Why the hell do people still sc**** a living in empire? Apparantly it's not safe anymore, it's laggy(er), the money still sucks and it's full of tards

In the 7 months I've lived in 0.0, I think I've lost 2 or 3 ships while doing my own thing or earning money, and those instances were entirely my fault (besides of course the guy who pressed F1->8), avoidable, and very easy to recover from. Of course I've lost loads of ships when fighting in alliance combat ops, but that's again largely down to my choice to participate.

So if you live in empire ask yourself: "why am I putting up with this?" If you can't think of an answer, join a 0.0 corp or alliance (NOT IAC Wink) and start having fun.


*blink*

Sooooo.... We shouldn't live in Empire because you stole from an ore can and got shot?

The only time I have "lag" in Empire is the day before I read about a big war in 0.0 space, meaning that Empire isn't the problem for lag. So, no reason there as it won't be any better if I happen to share the same system as another war.

As for dweebs, they exist everywhere, right? At least is your "example" he even offered to re-imburse your loss, had you been in 0.0 or LoSec he would have podded you too.

Basically, we live where we want and don't WISH to participate in what you consider fun. We have a relaxed game and mine, mission and explore with our friends. We have no interest in fighting all the time, watching local to run when someone we don't know comes in or have to explain to various alliances that our cruisers and BCs travelling in small groups aren't some type of threat.

You play the way you want, let us play the way we want. ugh


QFT. Sitting in station because BLOB has arrived isn't fun. Kidding. (although BoB is my only podding.)

My answer is 0.0 isn't easy, it's complicated as hell. And they CAN shoot first if they want. In empire, there are *******s, yes. But they have to work harder to get aggro because they can't just shoot first if I happen to be off screen doing paperwork, in the bathroom, getting coffee, hiding the app from meh boss, (NOT KIDDING) etc.

Also I don't have the patience for those large fleet battles and have absolutely no urge to shoot at anyone who hasn't done anything directly to me.

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2006.12.19 12:38:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Crumplecorn on 19/12/2006 12:40:48
Edited by: Crumplecorn on 19/12/2006 12:39:05
Originally by: Xavier Raines
I will put it in even more simple terms.

A) Only way to survive in 0.0 is to belong to a corp out there. {Unless you are some gate camping pirate.}

B) Belonging to a corp in 0.0 means you are often REQUIRED to go on corp ops, mine, gatecamp ect when THEY tell you to. Many times this requires you to be in on voice communications as well. That is the tradeoff for having access to all of the riches out there.
Wrong and wrong. All you actually need is to be in an area controlled by a group who won't shoot you. This doesn't always require you to be a member.
Oh, and that's to carebear. If it's PvP you're looking for, then having any non-hostiles at all probably isn't necessary.


The choice is this simple:
There are 2 sets of empires. One is a generic NPC set with fixed rules and protection from NPCs, as you'll find in any similar game. The other is utterly player driven, with whatever rules they choose to put in place.

Sirri
Posted - 2006.12.19 12:50:00 - [56]
 

I'm a solo player. I haven't been in a PC corp in months. I like running missions, and that's pretty much all I do. Does it get tedious at times? Yes.

But I don't play the game so much for the "game"... but for the enjoyment I get out of creating something I like.

I like improving my character, and my ship. Almost like a model ship building I put all that nice stuff on it I can and "see how it goes".

Currently I'm piloting a raven and I genuinely enjoy tinkering with it.

I may someday get a "secondary" ship and go scoot that around to PvP, but right now i'm just more focused on character/ship advancement, and that's easier and less stressful in empire.

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2006.12.19 12:50:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Well, as a counterpoint, belt ratting in 0.0 is even more boring than missions (though it does generate more isk/hour
All the missions I've done have involved talking to an agent, going to the system, and killing large numbers of crappy NPCs, with the difficulty and reward dependant on how long you've been grinding, then going back to your agent, talking to them again, and then doing it all over again.

Ratting, OTOH, you enter a system, find a spawn that matches your capabilities, and work away.

Ratting > Missioning

SSgt Sniper
Gallente
SSgt Sniper Temporary corp
Posted - 2006.12.19 13:02:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Well, as a counterpoint, belt ratting in 0.0 is even more boring than missions (though it does generate more isk/hour
All the missions I've done have involved talking to an agent, going to the system, and killing large numbers of crappy NPCs, with the difficulty and reward dependant on how long you've been grinding, then going back to your agent, talking to them again, and then doing it all over again.

Ratting, OTOH, you enter a system, find a spawn that matches your capabilities, and work away.

Ratting > Missioning


What never ceases to amaze me about you 0.0 elitists, and damn near all of you are (or slowly become over the length of a thread) is the complete inability to accept that people are different than you.

I like empire. I hated, hated, HATED 0.0. I also got called lots of fun things because I would have to stop what I was doing, dock, and minimize (so the boss wouldn't gripe). The logistical reality is I CANNOT DO 0.0. The practical reality is I didn't like it anyway. The benefit? Mining yummy empire kernite with an alt hauler behind me while I'm at working and funding missioning/light lowsec ratting, off it.

Oveur said 'we don't give a flying ****' referring to what folks do or don't do in the game. If I suddenly decide to spend an entire day self destructing Velators outside a station, that's my business. Do not profess to tell me what I can and cannot do here at my computer, unless you are prepared to come to my location and put a gun to my head to force me to play your way. And last I checked, the RL 'CONKKORDEN' tend to not like folks that do that either. Laughing

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2006.12.19 13:10:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: SSgt Sniper
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Well, as a counterpoint, belt ratting in 0.0 is even more boring than missions (though it does generate more isk/hour
All the missions I've done have involved talking to an agent, going to the system, and killing large numbers of crappy NPCs, with the difficulty and reward dependant on how long you've been grinding, then going back to your agent, talking to them again, and then doing it all over again.

Ratting, OTOH, you enter a system, find a spawn that matches your capabilities, and work away.

Ratting > Missioning


What never ceases to amaze me about you 0.0 elitists, and damn near all of you are (or slowly become over the length of a thread) is the complete inability to accept that people are different than you.

I like empire. I hated, hated, HATED 0.0. I also got called lots of fun things because I would have to stop what I was doing, dock, and minimize (so the boss wouldn't gripe). The logistical reality is I CANNOT DO 0.0. The practical reality is I didn't like it anyway. The benefit? Mining yummy empire kernite with an alt hauler behind me while I'm at working and funding missioning/light lowsec ratting, off it.

Oveur said 'we don't give a flying ****' referring to what folks do or don't do in the game. If I suddenly decide to spend an entire day self destructing Velators outside a station, that's my business. Do not profess to tell me what I can and cannot do here at my computer, unless you are prepared to come to my location and put a gun to my head to force me to play your way. And last I checked, the RL 'CONKKORDEN' tend to not like folks that do that either. Laughing
What has this little outburst got to do with missions or rats?

Darlarorian
Technodos Industries
Posted - 2006.12.19 13:15:00 - [60]
 

This thread is a waste of time and effort.

People play the game like they want, in empire or in 0.0, no one way is better than other, live with it, and move along.

Play the game.


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