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Black Scorpio
Posted - 2006.12.05 16:43:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Black Scorpio

Last time i checked:

'sentances' is actually spelled sentences
'kthanksbye' should be ok? thanks, bye.

Maybe you need to rethink that long waited English course!


Scorpio, or should I use BS as an acronym as that would suit you pretty well Very Happy, would you be so kind as to re-type your original response as it seemed as it was something directed at me or my corp (which contains exactly ONE(1) person) and some insinuations about me "micromining" whatever that is? I would like to give you an intelligent response, but I cannot carve a way through your random droppings of words and letters.

/Ki



Whoa, you noticed my name and it's acronym, impressive!

How's the new macro for salvaging going by the way. Can you let me on your little chinese secrets?

Hotice
Posted - 2006.12.05 16:50:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: Wylker
Originally by: Lunarmist
pfft, if I was flying a hauler or any ship and walked into a new gate camp with multiple ships, I would logoff too. Such encounter provides no fun for me why should I stay and provide fun for you? Game is for fun, and I choose not to play when it is not fun. Simple isn't it? Besides there is no real honor when you are dead. Would you remember those who stayed and got pod killed? I really doubt that. So logoffski is the choice people make when the encounter is no fun. It is too bad you didn't get the kill, better luck next time! lol


Because your own stupidity is what got you into a bubble camp in the first place? Ctl-Q is a "Save Yourself" button in the game that takes the punishment away from people that do stupid things in stupid places. If you get yourself caught in a bubble camp and you're in a valuable ship / hauling valuable cargo and you're not using a scout, you should have never left empire. And you're stupid.


It has nothing to do with intelligence. It has everything to do with choice on this issue. We can see how many ships/pods got killed in a system via map, but we cannot tell if there is a warp bubble at gate. Bottem line is that once dead, there is no so called honor anymore. It is meaningless only an empty word. Does any of those campers remember those who didn't use logofski? Besides, after the ship is killed, the battle has won by the camper. What is so hot about this pod kill? Use logoffski to save a ship is kind of questionable. However, use logofski to save a pod is fine. Since I personally consider pod kill is questionable as well, so two questionable behaviors cancel each other out. hehe

It is like a murder calls a potential victem lame by not allowing him/her to make the killing blow.

Before we all get so excited and start to call people names and such. We need to remember that this is a game. We each pays our own bills, so until you start to pay other people's bills, you have no rights to tell how others should play the game. Each person have their own idea about what is fun and what is not. You cannot force people to the way you like. Thus, people have their choice to stay and face certain destruction of their pods or find a way to escape. In this case, it is to use logofski. Guess what, besides coming here whinning there is not a slightest thing you can do to change that. Sure ccp could make some change but they will have to fix the game stability issue first. As where it stands, I still crashs pretty often when dock, undock and jump through a gate. Does that consider lame when a gate happens to be on the other side? How do you distinguish this from a Ctrl-Q?

Drutort
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.12.05 17:03:00 - [123]
 

all i want is for dictor bubbles to work as they should... the logoff in dictor bubbles is what kills pvp and all the effort or even risk, such ships hardly pose a threat then, only to stop you from warping on 0km thats about all i can think of them being good atm... but keeping anyone or anything from warping off they do not do that... and i simply want the game to work right as the mechanics should, atm they are broken with the ctrl+Q

Sir Drake
Caldari
Posted - 2006.12.05 17:04:00 - [124]
 

Why should anyone NOT use ctrl+q and logoff befor getting the attack counter?
CCP says its not an exploit and their oppinion is all that matters on that topic.

With all the disconnects (and getting stuck) there is really no way to tell who is using the tactic and who just got unlucky (at least from the server pov).
Sure it spoils the fun for the PvPers, so what?
EVE is NOT all about PvP, there is lots of other stuff you can do.
I think its a nice method of leveling the playfield for the miners/producers who dont want to engange in PvP.

Sir Drake
Caldari
Posted - 2006.12.05 17:05:00 - [125]
 

Why should anyone NOT use ctrl+q and logoff befor getting the attack counter?
CCP says its not an exploit and their oppinion is all that matters on that topic.

With all the disconnects (and getting stuck) there is really no way to tell who is using the tactic and who just got unlucky (at least from the server pov).
Sure it spoils the fun for the PvPers, so what?
EVE is NOT all about PvP, there is lots of other stuff you can do.
I think its a nice method of leveling the playfield for the miners/producers who dont want to engange in PvP.

Bazuka
Posted - 2006.12.05 17:05:00 - [126]
 

Let me see...

You blow up someone`s pod for no reason WHAT-SO-EVER so that the player lose millions of ISK worth of implants just becouse you CAN and in the most cowardly posible fashion ( Gate camps...lamest thing you can do in EVE by far ) and THEN you WHINE and CRY aboput people logging off to prevent that lame playing of yours ? HAHAHAHA what a cry baby.

Get a grip you fool...really.

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2006.12.05 17:10:00 - [127]
 

Edited by: Ki An on 05/12/2006 17:14:53
Edited by: Ki An on 05/12/2006 17:14:07
Originally by: Black Scorpio

Whoa, you noticed my name and it's acronym, impressive!

How's the new macro for salvaging going by the way. Can you let me on your little chinese secrets?


So you WHERE accusing me of macromining... Wow...

Has it really come to this, BS? Have you really hit rock bottom of your mental abilities and need to resort to name calling and fling accusations when you can't make a descent argument? For the betterment of those who are reading this thread I ask you to please keep this to eve-mails from now on. I don't want to be semi-responsible for dumbing down the EVE-community. Also, I don't particularly enjoy anyone high-jacking a thread such as this. Therefore I ask you kindly to stop, and to send me an EVE-mail if you've got anything else to accuse me of.

TSDS must be proud to have an upstanding and honorable player like you within it's ranks.

/Ki

Edit: By the way, racial stereotypes FTL, eh? Perhaps you are not aware that you are, in fact, playing a role playing game and that just because my Jin-Mei character has an Asian appearance and a Chinese sounding name, I might not be Chinese? I do not cathegorize you among the arachnids, now do I? Although, that would actually explain a few things.

Black Scorpio
Posted - 2006.12.05 17:20:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Ki An
Edited by: Ki An on 05/12/2006 17:14:53
Edited by: Ki An on 05/12/2006 17:14:07
Originally by: Black Scorpio

Whoa, you noticed my name and it's acronym, impressive!

How's the new macro for salvaging going by the way. Can you let me on your little chinese secrets?


So you WHERE accusing me of macromining... Wow...

Has it really come to this, BS? Have you really hit rock bottom of your mental abilities and need to resort to name calling and fling accusations when you can't make a descent argument? For the betterment of those who are reading this thread I ask you to please keep this to eve-mails from now on. I don't want to be semi-responsible for dumbing down the EVE-community. Also, I don't particularly enjoy anyone high-jacking a thread such as this. Therefore I ask you kindly to stop, and to send me an EVE-mail if you've got anything else to accuse me of.

TSDS must be proud to have an upstanding and honorable player like you within it's ranks.

/Ki

Edit: By the way, racial stereotypes FTL, eh? Perhaps you are not aware that you are, in fact, playing a role playing game and that just because my Jin-Mei character has an Asian appearance and a Chinese sounding name, I might not be Chinese? I do not cathegorize you among the arachnids, now do I? Although, that would actually explain a few things.



Twice edited, whoa you surely put a lot of effort? Did it hurt to reveal your micromining habits?

sure it did, I'm sure you will just use another alt for it...

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2006.12.05 17:23:00 - [129]
 

Originally by: Black Scorpio

Twice edited, whoa you surely put a lot of effort? Did it hurt to reveal your micromining habits?

sure it did, I'm sure you will just use another alt for it...


Please stop derailing the thread and send me an EVE-mail already! I'm sure noone is interested in you and me flaming each other, so please stop it. Also, attempting to slander my name is not really making you look good, imo, but I doubt you'd care about that.

/Ki

Black Scorpio
Posted - 2006.12.05 17:26:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Black Scorpio

Twice edited, whoa you surely put a lot of effort? Did it hurt to reveal your micromining habits?

sure it did, I'm sure you will just use another alt for it...


Please stop derailing the thread and send me an EVE-mail already! I'm sure noone is interested in you and me flaming each other, so please stop it. Also, attempting to slander my name is not really making you look good, imo, but I doubt you'd care about that.

/Ki



Exactly i don't care about you or sending you e-mails. Bye now...

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2006.12.05 17:27:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: Black Scorpio

Exactly i don't care about you or sending you e-mails. Bye now...


Then why do you keep posting to insult me and slander me?

Anyway, back on topic.

/Ki

Aphotic Raven
Gallente
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.12.05 17:29:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: Bazuka
Let me see...

You blow up someone`s pod for no reason WHAT-SO-EVER so that the player lose millions of ISK worth of implants just becouse you CAN and in the most cowardly posible fashion ( Gate camps...lamest thing you can do in EVE by far ) and THEN you WHINE and CRY aboput people logging off to prevent that lame playing of yours ? HAHAHAHA what a cry baby.

Get a grip you fool...really.


Ewww... look at all these filthy corpless alts and carebears infesting this whine thread.... ick.

The ability to kill pods is a good thing. it stops people like you coming out of high sec, it provides entertainment to people like me (i have approximately 72 corpsicles in one hangar...) and it means that implants are a risk, not instant reward, thats GOOD.

Most people in 0.0 dont have them.. .those that do are stupid or too rich to care...
Jump clones allow you to keep your +5 uber set but only the carebears really jump back and forth that often (i hate the idea of being trapped in high sec for a full day...)

So of all the whiny little carebear posts ive seen... yours is by far the lamest.. from people saying "ITS NOT JUST A PVP GAME! Q_Q"

Gate camps and being lame... you know i thought this when i first started too... back when losing a t1 cruiser hurt me badly... but what you'll find is that the more this game progresses, the harder it is to get a fight.. people flee you at gates.. camping solo is awesome fun but only if you can target faster than a mongoose (like a blur i say..) and bubbles are good ways to deny your enemies and the carebear populance access to your space... people logging off and warping out of bubbles is pretty rediculous in a game that delivers such harsh lessons to those who really pvp
now, if you have a MWD and you make it back to the gate and jump... more power to you, you were ready, you reacted fast and made a decision before you were decloaked and you were lucky.

But once upon a time... CCP hated carebears.. they built a beautiful game that encouraged team work and combat over all else.... but then the whinging began, deep in the bowels of this very forum... and now look what we have.

No more logoffski for the nooblets, if they cant handle low sec, they should not be there.

Goberth Ludwig
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.12.05 17:35:00 - [133]
 

Agreed CCP need to do something to fix the ctrl+q especially in dictor bubbles because people are learning about it and its spreading like a wildfire.

The other day I had 4 ships log in my dictor bubble in a row: 1 arma, 1 raven, 1 blackbird and ladies and gentlemen 1 shuttle (!!). The raven even convoed me today gloating how he skillfully escaped his demise.

Something needs to be done and it couldnt be too soon.

Random Blood
Posted - 2006.12.05 17:40:00 - [134]
 


Something needs to be changed in game mechanics to fix this not through rules about exploiting imo. Logging off is lame, there isn't any doubt about it theres lots of good ideas in this thread about changing game mechanics to deal with it.

If logging off were a bannable or punishable exploit the following would be true:
- CCP might end up banning accounts of people who actually had technical problems, some people with dual core's right now are crashing very regularly as a result of jumping for example. This would be unfair and its really hard to prove because its client side.
- CCP would be making a statement that it does not allow players to freely choose whether they should stay connected to Eve in all circumstances. If this had some impact on your health IRL CCP might end up facing credible law-suits (if not now years down the line). I think its only a matter of time before law suits between "reformed MMO addicts" and games companies happen. CCP has to take a firm stance that RL>Eve in every case else they might have liability.


Daniel Jackson
Caldari
Planet Watchers
Posted - 2006.12.05 18:00:00 - [135]
 

in my opionen PVP'ers (people who fight other players) are killing this game, pvp on test server not tq

Mesacc
Gallente
Posted - 2006.12.05 18:28:00 - [136]
 

/shakes head at topic

Oh the humanity!!

Same ol'l thing on every MMO I have ever played. PVP vs PVE. Both sides wanna force the other side to play there way and change the game to suit them. Never gonna change!

Bazuka
Posted - 2006.12.05 18:30:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: Apothic Raven


Ewww... look at all these filthy corpless alts and carebears infesting this whine thread.... ick.

The ability to kill pods is a good thing. it stops people like you coming out of high sec, it provides entertainment to people like me (i have approximately 72 corpsicles in one hangar...) and it means that implants are a risk, not instant reward, thats GOOD.

Most people in 0.0 dont have them.. .those that do are stupid or too rich to care...
Jump clones allow you to keep your +5 uber set but only the carebears really jump back and forth that often (i hate the idea of being trapped in high sec for a full day...)

So of all the whiny little carebear posts ive seen... yours is by far the lamest.. from people saying "ITS NOT JUST A PVP GAME! Q_Q"

Gate camps and being lame... you know i thought this when i first started too... back when losing a t1 cruiser hurt me badly... but what you'll find is that the more this game progresses, the harder it is to get a fight.. people flee you at gates.. camping solo is awesome fun but only if you can target faster than a mongoose (like a blur i say..) and bubbles are good ways to deny your enemies and the carebear populance access to your space... people logging off and warping out of bubbles is pretty rediculous in a game that delivers such harsh lessons to those who really pvp
now, if you have a MWD and you make it back to the gate and jump... more power to you, you were ready, you reacted fast and made a decision before you were decloaked and you were lucky.

But once upon a time... CCP hated carebears.. they built a beautiful game that encouraged team work and combat over all else.... but then the whinging began, deep in the bowels of this very forum... and now look what we have.

No more logoffski for the nooblets, if they cant handle low sec, they should not be there.


Again...STFU.. or..or..whine some more npnp I`m bored anyway.. but be warned !!! Discussing this particular issue with more then 2 sentances makes you a fool that you are

Sgt Napalm
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2006.12.05 19:20:00 - [138]
 

Anybody else notice that most the pro-logoffski's are posting with their alts? Rolling Eyes

solarwinds
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2006.12.05 19:33:00 - [139]
 

Logoff tactics = ftl. CCP needs a way to determine if someone got logged due to lag or forced the client to drop by using CTRL-Q. CTRL-Q'ers should stay in system a few seconds before warping off. 5 seconds. Enough time to get locked at a camp and scram + BBQ'd for the PVP'ers, but not so bad so that miners can safespot and log without being stuck in space forever.

Noriath
Posted - 2006.12.05 19:42:00 - [140]
 

If you want Logoff tactics to stop you also have to add some mechanism that allows people to avoid bubblecamps on the other side of gates. You can't scan for them, you can't look at local to figure out that there is something up. The map doesn't accurately show them. It's a lame lame lame mechanic, you go through a gate, boom, you're dead, and there is nothing you can do to survive or avoid it. No wonder people respond to that by loging off, which is also a lame lame lame mechanic.

Just fixing the logoff is not enough, you also have to fix the automatic-death undetectable gatecamp from hell.

Nanobotter Mk2
Posted - 2006.12.05 19:44:00 - [141]
 

"I am sorry, but this argument falls pretty flat on it's face. What you are saying is that because you pay 15 bucks a month you should be able to get all the game's content with no effort on your part. That's not the way EVE is played. In this game you have to make an effort. For example, if you cannot get a friend to scout for you and are unable to get a second account, you must realize that perhaps you cannot "do what you need to accomplish" at this time, but have to wait for a more opportune time when you have help online."



Actually the arguement doesnt fall flat on it's face. First you have to understand this is simply a game, whichs means a form of entertainment, which can meand different things to different people. Anyone who pays the price of admission should be able to experience all of the game equally. If you wanna turn this game into work so you can have some perverted sense of accomplishment in life go for it but it doesnt mean everyone should. Most people do their accomplishemnts and work in real life and come to games for fun, then you get this segment of "computer losers" who have tried to turn these games into alter ego bragfests to try to suggest they are better than other in real life somehow.

Anyrate really It should be the player who decides how they want to play the game, what they want out of it, and how they get it. None of that however should limit acess to aspects fo the game. We all pay the full amount for the game and should have access to anything in it we want by what ever means of play we choose. Ie I shouldnt have to make the game my new virtual world with 25 best friends inorder to view/try all the content, but if I do choose to do that then so be it. Really get a grip this is just a game nothing more nothing less.

Baron Logoffski
Posted - 2006.12.05 19:52:00 - [142]
 

I am not killing the the game. The game is being killed by people who are too dumb and just log off when they enter PvP. There is maybe the .01% that do have a server crash or whatever, but do not blame me for your problems. Razz

Black Scorpio
Posted - 2006.12.05 19:58:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
"I am sorry, but this argument falls pretty flat on it's face. What you are saying is that because you pay 15 bucks a month you should be able to get all the game's content with no effort on your part. That's not the way EVE is played. In this game you have to make an effort. For example, if you cannot get a friend to scout for you and are unable to get a second account, you must realize that perhaps you cannot "do what you need to accomplish" at this time, but have to wait for a more opportune time when you have help online."



Actually the arguement doesnt fall flat on it's face. First you have to understand this is simply a game, whichs means a form of entertainment, which can meand different things to different people. Anyone who pays the price of admission should be able to experience all of the game equally. If you wanna turn this game into work so you can have some perverted sense of accomplishment in life go for it but it doesnt mean everyone should. Most people do their accomplishemnts and work in real life and come to games for fun, then you get this segment of "computer losers" who have tried to turn these games into alter ego bragfests to try to suggest they are better than other in real life somehow.

Anyrate really It should be the player who decides how they want to play the game, what they want out of it, and how they get it. None of that however should limit acess to aspects fo the game. We all pay the full amount for the game and should have access to anything in it we want by what ever means of play we choose. Ie I shouldnt have to make the game my new virtual world with 25 best friends inorder to view/try all the content, but if I do choose to do that then so be it. Really get a grip this is just a game nothing more nothing less.


Good job man. That's exactly it. Some people seem to have made a full time commitment (job) out of EvE, however for most it is a source of relaxation AFTER work. As such I play the way that i define spent as a good time.

Black Scorpio
Posted - 2006.12.05 20:02:00 - [144]
 

The problem is that there are no viable (underline viable) ways of countering a lame gank or gate camp tactic. As such the only way is to use a lame tactic in response.
(I am including the spies/friend escorts/scanners in the non-viable tools, since they are not viable most of the time.)

Does anyone win? No, both sides might get a bit frustrated, but it works. Sometimes ganking works, sometimes logging off works (both don't work 100% anyway).

So, as long as this situation stays the same, I don't see any other resolutions to the problem.

Gort
Minmatar
Federation of Freedom Fighters
En Garde
Posted - 2006.12.05 20:06:00 - [145]
 

I'm on the side that says log off and log on, for in game advantage, needs to be "fixed." I also am fine with pod killing. Warfare is more than PvP. Letting pods get back to the nearest base and rearm is not the way to go, never mind the economic implications. Also, gate camps are an absolutely normal and necessary method in Eve of controlling territory. Get over it.

I live in 0.0 (and have for about 3 years now), and take implants into combat almost always(and lose them some times). I could lose T1 gear all day long and it wouldn't mean even a yawn. Everyone adjusts the game to suit their circumstances. There's a reason some people bet $5 at the table and others lay down $500. It's called making the bet mean something to you personally. $5 or $500, if it's meaningful to you, then the game is worth getting into. Otherwise, go take a nap.

Still, the idea of a free pass at gates is simply over the top. It needs to be fixed.

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2006.12.05 20:12:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2

Actually the arguement doesnt fall flat on it's face. First you have to understand this is simply a game, whichs means a form of entertainment, which can meand different things to different people. Anyone who pays the price of admission should be able to experience all of the game equally. If you wanna turn this game into work so you can have some perverted sense of accomplishment in life go for it but it doesnt mean everyone should. Most people do their accomplishemnts and work in real life and come to games for fun, then you get this segment of "computer losers" who have tried to turn these games into alter ego bragfests to try to suggest they are better than other in real life somehow.

Anyrate really It should be the player who decides how they want to play the game, what they want out of it, and how they get it. None of that however should limit acess to aspects fo the game. We all pay the full amount for the game and should have access to anything in it we want by what ever means of play we choose. Ie I shouldnt have to make the game my new virtual world with 25 best friends inorder to view/try all the content, but if I do choose to do that then so be it. Really get a grip this is just a game nothing more nothing less.


Ok, Nanobotter I actually think you know better than this, but at any rate:

What you are saying is that because you pay the monthly fee, CCP should hand you everything on a platter. Might be a harsh way to say it, but that's what you are really asking. Take any other game as an example: In CS, do you feel that you are entitled to start with the best gun? In WoW, do you think it's unfair that you start as lvl 1 when there's lvl 80s or whatever running about? In Half-Life, is it unfair that you have to play all the way to the ending to see the ending sequence? I mean, you payed for it, right? You should be able to do whatever you want.

The problem here is that it is not just YOU who pay to play this game. Everyone else does it as well, and someone who has worked hard to attain the position he/she is at (through skills, hard work or connections) may feel it is unfair that YOU should have a free and risk-free ride through the game. This is not about chosing how to play the game. This is about YOU chosing NOT to play the game in order to win against someone who was about to win against you IN the game. To quit playing is not a game-mechanic.

As a final note: You are right, this is a game. A GAME! Why do YOU feel it is necessary to log off to save your virtual assets if it's just a game? The person who was about to beat you in the game was playing the game. Why do your virtual assets mean more than the loot he was about to get? Why do your virtual assets mean more than the space he was trying to protect? To log off is the pinnacle of selfishness in EVE. Try to see the MMO aspect of this game.

/Ki

Zillazuki
Nex Exercitus
Cult of War
Posted - 2006.12.05 20:33:00 - [147]
 

Edited by: Zillazuki on 05/12/2006 20:34:13
Originally by: Sir Drake
What do you guys expect ppl to do?
I will certainly logoff at any real threat to safe my stuff.
Im not playing for your amusement or to give you a my hard earned isk/modules.

As long as ccp says its not an exploit ppl will continue to use the logoff.
Cowardish? Maybe but also capitalistic (safes lots of money) with no negativ effect except for the PvPers who dont get their kill.

BTW theres way more to EVE than PvP like missions, hunting, mining etc and ccp works pretty hard to add to this content.
I certainly prefer the non-pvp part of EVE, looking at the occasional pvpers i run into as a nuisance.



Pathetic...absolutely, inexcusably pathetic...you're not welcome here...please leave and occupy your time elsewhere. And that goes for the rest of you who share the same attitude...


Baron Logoffski
Posted - 2006.12.05 21:13:00 - [148]
 

Shall I make a Hall of Shame? For all the people taking my precious family name away from me to mean something cowardly? I'd say if you do it fine, go ahead, but suffer the shame from your peers.

Zeon Xero
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2006.12.05 21:58:00 - [149]
 

Gezz what a bunch of ****ers... oops did I say that too loud?

There is a way for CCP to fix the issue... but you ****ers.. gezz sorry again... but you guys aint gonna like it.

I play a game called SilkRoad Online... they have a 5 sec Delay or, depending if you are in Job mode, 60 sec delay before you can log out (there is an actual timer counting down).

The bad thing though is that if you "accidentally" get disconnected, you are screwed. The server takes a while before it realizes that you got disconnected.

Oh well I hope you wan.. guys still have fun... cause it is INDEED just a game Laughing

Nanobotter Mk2
Posted - 2006.12.05 22:02:00 - [150]
 

"Ok, Nanobotter I actually think you know better than this, but at any rate:

What you are saying is that because you pay the monthly fee, CCP should hand you everything on a platter. Might be a harsh way to say it, but that's what you are really asking. Take any other game as an example: In CS, do you feel that you are entitled to start with the best gun? In WoW, do you think it's unfair that you start as lvl 1 when there's lvl 80s or whatever running about? In Half-Life, is it unfair that you have to play all the way to the ending to see the ending sequence? I mean, you payed for it, right? You should be able to do whatever you want."



Actually YES honestly I think if you want everything handed to you on a platter CCP should. It costs them nothing. It should be a choice like I said this is nothing NOTHING more than a game built to entertain. If I wanna have CCP insta me 1 billion ISK they should, if I prefer to try to earn that ISk ingame good for me i can do that.

Look the reality is your fighting other people, it really doesnt matter if they mined for hours to earn that hac, mission for it, or bought it off ebay, or CCP gave it to the player the fact is you are gonna have to fight people in hac's the resource that provided it to them shouldnt matter to you at all ( if your head is screwed on right ) provided everyone had access to that rsource equally.

It is the same lame crap in games like WOW you shouldnt give a flying crap if someguy got his uber raid loot from blizzard or spent months grinding it out in raids, the only reason you would give a crap is because your such aloser that you have turned to these simple video games to try to find an avenue to make yourself think your better than other people. That is pathetic , and sadly that is what most of the whining is about people who wanna beleive they are uber gamers far above the next guy because they grinded some raid zone for 3 months of their life. Pathetic. You should be playing these games for fun, not as some twisted attempt to avoid who you are in real life and to try to create some heroic alter ego to replace the fact you're pathetic is real life with no drive. If your truly playing for fun you don;t give a rats ass who has what or how they got it provided that option if you choose so is there for you as well.


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