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Kaaii
Caldari
Kaaii-Net Research Labs
KAAII-NET
Posted - 2006.11.26 01:00:00 - [31]
 



Twink I used to hear alot in DAoC. Was easy to fit higher lvl armor/weapons on a alt and power lvl them up in record time

Also first heard "Zerg" there, but it came from the starcraft series i think. those lil critters that the terrains used to fight.

zerg and blob seem to be interchangeable...




JoeT
Amarr
Quantum Horizons
Posted - 2006.11.26 01:08:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Taaketa Frist

Gank would be "Gank squads" I don't believe you can "gank" by yourself in Eve - maybe you can and I am just ignorant.


What would you call a zealot attacking a tristin and podding him?

Soporo
Caldari
Posted - 2006.11.26 01:21:00 - [33]
 

Only time I ever use "Toon" is when I am trying to put off a creepyor annoying RP'er, you may know the type.

It's guarranteed to aggravate the hell out of them.

Sane rp is fine, but a probably fat balding 40 year old rp'ing a necrophiliac gallente chick is.....not.

As for pk'er, hell that's what most socalled pVp in EVE is, PK'ing.

Just various sized ganks,or PKing...it's the most accurate "industry" description of what happens here mostly.

Spigoe
Svea Rike
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2006.11.26 01:23:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Kaaii

Also first heard "Zerg" there, but it came from the starcraft series i think. those lil critters that the terrains used to fight.

zerg and blob seem to be interchangeable...




Right on!

Taaketa Frist
Minmatar
Galactic Defence Consortium
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2006.11.26 01:35:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: JoeT
What would you call a zealot attacking a tristin and podding him?


An ass... eh I mean "pirating".

Sal Alo
Minmatar
Pane e Panelle
Posted - 2006.11.26 05:10:00 - [36]
 

Please give me a fishing pole and some lakes!

Rasta Rocketman
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.11.26 05:51:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Fuujin
I haaaate all those terms, especially twink.


I've never heard of twink, but the term toon is absolutely annoying. Also, I'm think gank/tank and rat comes from eve as I've seen those words make their way into the vocabulary slowly over the past few year, but I can't be sure.

Jinx Barker
Caldari
GFB Scientific
Posted - 2006.11.26 06:13:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Baleorg
Originally by: Verus Potestas
Giving a new player loot far beyond his ability to get on his own.

An Eve example would be that GM scorpion incident Laughing

please tell me more, sounds interesting :)


Lets just say, the person in question is no longer afiliated with Crowd Control Productions Iceland.....Cool. And we cant say anymore, cause the ever vigilant modes will come and spank us for bringing it up.

Tachy
Posted - 2006.11.26 06:35:00 - [39]
 

Toon fits better than Avatar as the avatar depicts yourself in any none-real context (Forum-Avatar in environments where the avatar does not represent an ingame persona *eg*).
The pilot mugshots in EVE aren't representing you (the player behind the Avatar).
Character ... well, in EVE you do not develop a character in the classic way of role playing. You anhanced attributes and skill levels do not make you look more powerfull or important here.

Toon is the term used for a 'player' driven avatar in any none-real environment that does not represent the player himself and it is a neutral one on top.
That some relate the term to 'persons' from toontown, looney toons or any other cartoon is their personal problem as long as they relate cartoons in a 'bad' way to their ingame persona. Remember that cartoon is the whole envorinment the toon is part of, and cartoon is used in a much wider context than just 'funny' drawn pictures.

Twink: a toon that makes the ground twinkle when you take him by the feet and shake him because his equipment is/was really twinkling. Stuffed like a turkey, beyond reason.
I encountered it in a pen and paper playing session on gamecon some 20 years ago for the first time knowingly.

PK has been used since the earliest games past tabletops. As soon as there've been the first player versus player games over any distance (anonymity), the term came up.

Feel free to find your own point of view without giving words a totally new meaning. If you want to know what I mean, check the meaning behind a certain 3-letter word for a sexual preference that's often used in a negative way and that the forum filter catches. Most people think it doesn't mean happy, merry ... Welcome to the influence of the christian church.

Blacklight
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.11.26 07:03:00 - [40]
 

Use of the word 'toon' in relation to an Eve character makes me want to self harm using a spoon ugh

Verus Potestas
Caldari
SP4RTANS
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2006.11.26 10:18:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Baleorg
Originally by: Verus Potestas
Giving a new player loot far beyond his ability to get on his own.

An Eve example would be that GM scorpion incident Laughing

please tell me more, sounds interesting :)

One month old player cruising around 0.0 in a scorpion fitted with all the best officer modules (Estamel, Tobias, Chelm). A certain GM found a new job after that.

Jennifer Payne
Silicon Moon
Posted - 2006.11.26 10:24:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Jennifer Payne on 26/11/2006 10:24:00
Originally by: Baleorg
Originally by: Verus Potestas
Giving a new player loot far beyond his ability to get on his own.

An Eve example would be that GM scorpion incident Laughing

please tell me more, sounds interesting :)


http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=373936

Siriyana
Astrum Contract Services Group
Posted - 2006.11.28 00:02:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Rasta Rocketman
Originally by: Fuujin
I haaaate all those terms, especially twink.


I've never heard of twink, but the term toon is absolutely annoying. Also, I'm think gank/tank and rat comes from eve as I've seen those words make their way into the vocabulary slowly over the past few year, but I can't be sure.


Gank is certainly an older term. It was/still is(?) a slang word for stealing something/grabbing/taking something. "Dude, he totally ganked your wallet.", etc. We were using that in the early 90's. :)

Tsavong Lah
Caldari
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2006.11.28 00:38:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Gothikia
rofl, im assuming that twink in wow terms means something different to the twinks that I know of, hahaha Laughing


qft. unless they're night elves, i guess Neutral

Ysolde Xen
The Causality
Electus Matari
Posted - 2006.11.28 00:39:00 - [45]
 

Toon is just plain stupid-sounding. I always use Alt. Luckily for me, the only other MMO I'm poking right now is AO and the term alt is used on there frequently as well.

Mob always confused the living daylights out of it. I thought it meant a mob as in a group of NPC enemies so people using it to refer to a single entity would annoy me no end as I'd get the wrong idea about what was what. Luckily not used in EVE, replaced with 'rat'.

On a related note, can anyone at all explain why boss monsters and the likes are referred to as 'dynas' or 'dynabosses' that drop 'dynaloot' in other MMOs?

The more I see of other games the more I'm glad of EVE and that my first MMO was EVE. It has no concept of twinking beyond cash (and now the new rigs which you won't need the skills to fly as long as someone else fits them onto your ship) and for that I'll always love it dearly. Compare it to other games where twinking has become so common it's now the assumed way of life and difficulty levels have been upped to take it into consideration.

Portios Smith
DNR
Posted - 2006.11.28 00:40:00 - [46]
 

FFS
IIRC
AFAIK

In 4 years of Fighter Ace, 6 months of Planetside, 3 months of EQII, 1 year of SWG and 4 months in WoW I never ever saw these used by any one. Then I joined EVE and within my first few minutes they were there.

Wrayeth
EdgeGamers
Situation: Normal
Posted - 2006.11.28 00:47:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Redart

PK comes from UO.


Actually, the term was used in tabletop RPGs long before MMOs. It was used to define a person who killed other party members.

And yes, I am a nerd...with guns. Twisted Evil

Oh, wait, they're projectiles. FFS, I'm screwed. ugh

Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Emminent Terraforming
O.G.-Alliance
Posted - 2006.11.28 00:48:00 - [48]
 

Toon is a character from stuff like Loony Toons and Anime. to properly use Toon in an mmo i depend my 'Arbalest' Anvil Launchers!



when it comes to PKing, etc EVE is the only really sucessfull open pvp game. most others fail horribly outside of asia(Lineage and L2 being examples, almost no NA/EU but huge in asia).

Wrayeth
EdgeGamers
Situation: Normal
Posted - 2006.11.28 00:49:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Wrayeth on 28/11/2006 00:49:02
Originally by: Blacklight
Use of the word 'toon' in relation to an Eve character makes me want to self harm using a spoon ugh



Angry: "I'll cut 'is 'eart out with a spoon!"

Puzzled: "But, cousin, why a spoon?"

Angry and annoyed: "Because it's dull, you twit, it'll hurt more."

Nuala Reece
Caldari
TROJAN LEGIONS
TROJAN.
Posted - 2006.11.28 01:00:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Jasper De'tami
Rats in fantasy based RPGs, online, single player offline, text based and table top pencil and paper, are a very common first enemy. When I started eve it drove me nuts that people would use such an insanely out of character term for NPCs(being its space, not fantasy) but I quickly learning 99% of eve is OOC, so I let it go.


I think it was one of those serendipitous things that it happened to fit well with 'pirate' (pi-rat), which I guess is why the word started to almost make in-character sense and soon extended to cover players as well as npc's.

Jarra Wixx
Posted - 2006.11.28 01:02:00 - [51]
 

Every culture, subculture, organization, gaming group, has its own vernacular, so I really don't care about the lingos, except when people say:

"I'll just roll a new character (or toon)"

There is no rolling involved in any MMORPG I've ever played. It's a reference to pen and paper RPGs in which character stats are derived from the actual rolling of dice. Rolling implies some sort of randomness in starting stats, which for several reasons is not really advisable for a MMORPG style game. I'm sure there probably are some MMOs that are randomized at the start, but neither WoW nor Eve are one of them.

You make a new character, you do not roll one.

Darcie Wray
Posted - 2006.11.28 01:49:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Jarra Wixx
Every culture, subculture, organization, gaming group, has its own vernacular, so I really don't care about the lingos, except when people say:

"I'll just roll a new character (or toon)"

There is no rolling involved in any MMORPG I've ever played. It's a reference to pen and paper RPGs in which character stats are derived from the actual rolling of dice. Rolling implies some sort of randomness in starting stats, which for several reasons is not really advisable for a MMORPG style game. I'm sure there probably are some MMOs that are randomized at the start, but neither WoW nor Eve are one of them.

You make a new character, you do not roll one.

Yeah, I began hearing people use "roll" for all sorts of actions back in ShadowBane.

"I'll roll another 500 swords on my vendor"
"I'll roll some armor off those noobs."
"I'll roll a new character today."

Sucks.

Darcie Wray
Posted - 2006.11.28 02:01:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Patch86
I'm kinda assuming that "Rat" is an entirely EVE thing, as a word for "NPC enemy" or "mob".

You are 100% correct. It is only an EVE thing. The poeple who say otherwise are confused and I'll explain why.
Originally by: Jack Nodeal

Actually rat was used in uo, as a refference to a certain type of mob. (humanoid type)

But when used in UO it was literally used to either describe a normal rat (the rodent), a giant rat, or a ratman. Specific monster types. In EVE its a shortened form of pirate and is basically synonimous with NPC from other games (and eve). Saying that in UO people called NPCs rats how they do in EVE is totally wrong.
Originally by: Shar Tegral

Even just touch before UO usage. It was in a game from Sierra called The Realm. Everyone started by stepping outside of town and killing rats. UO came along a few months after The Realm did and alot of transplants took it with them.
I feel old knowing that.

Again, just because some of the NPCs in that game happened to be literal rodent rats (the dirty creatures with long tails) it does not mean in that game rat (the shortened form of pirate, or even the word for the rodent) was used to describe NPCs.
Originally by: Jasper De'tami

Rats in fantasy based RPGs, online, single player offline, text based and table top pencil and paper, are a very common first enemy. When I started eve it drove me nuts that people would use such an insanely out of character term for NPCs(being its space, not fantasy) but I quickly learning 99% of eve is OOC, so I let it go.

99% of Eve is OOC? No its not. People stay in character WITHOUT EVEN TRYING TO moreso in EVE than any other game I've ever seen. BTW, you are 100% wrong about being annoyed and thne learning to "live with it" concerning people using the term "ratting" in EVE to describe killing NPCs. No one is talking about killing rodent creatures when they use that term in EVE. Its the shortened form of PIRATING, killing pirates. The hostile NPCs in EVE are pirates. Not rodents. So no one is using anything OOC when they say they are "Killing rats in belt 4."

Avyendha
Caldari
Warbyrds
Posted - 2006.11.28 16:06:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Rasta Rocketman
Originally by: Fuujin
I haaaate all those terms, especially twink.


I've never heard of twink, but the term toon is absolutely annoying. Also, I'm think gank/tank and rat comes from eve as I've seen those words make their way into the vocabulary slowly over the past few year, but I can't be sure.


gank, tank is not eve related. It was at least used from EQ on. Especially tank.

James Adams
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2006.11.29 04:17:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Avyendha
Originally by: Rasta Rocketman
Originally by: Fuujin
I haaaate all those terms, especially twink.


I've never heard of twink, but the term toon is absolutely annoying. Also, I'm think gank/tank and rat comes from eve as I've seen those words make their way into the vocabulary slowly over the past few year, but I can't be sure.


gank, tank is not eve related. It was at least used from EQ on. Especially tank.


But as someone mentioned earlier in the thread they have a slightly different meaning in other MMOs.

The terms you're thinking of would be -
(MMOs in general)
Gank: Killing something that has NO chance in hell of fighting back in any meaningful way
Tank: The one who is taking all the hits while the other guys are doing the damage

(EVE)
Gank: Pushing as much damage as possible out of a ship, to the point of sacrifing all forms of defence
Tank: The level of ability to sustain and/or heal damage


Erixa Nagel
Caldari
Autaris INC
Posted - 2006.11.29 05:20:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Erixa Nagel on 29/11/2006 05:21:05
Originally by: Roy Batty68
In fact, the only acronym that I can think of that might be unique to WoW would be DKP.
/shudder... ugh makes me sickish just thinking about that one.


No.

The Dragon Kill Points loot system was developed by the co-leaders of an EverQuest (1) guild (Thott & Hobben). That guild, Afterlife, moved to WoW during its closed beta period, so DKP isn't unique to WoW at all.

I don't think you'll find too many EVE specific terms since EVE is a multiplayer game and these terms usually bleed from one game to the next, even across genres. Heck, due to various issues and mindsets (trouble typing at a decent speed, language issues, etc), you even see AOL and general BBS type expressions/shorthand used on a regular basis. Some terms are unique to games as you might expect (like, I don't see 'bind rush' or 'corpse cannon' being used outside of EQ1 though obviously the vaguely similar 'zerg' is pretty universal). Although, I must say that the first time I heard the term 'POS' here, I kinda interpreted it wrong. Razz

Kesslan Osefice
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.11.29 05:48:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Avyendha
Originally by: Rasta Rocketman
Originally by: Fuujin
I haaaate all those terms, especially twink.


I've never heard of twink, but the term toon is absolutely annoying. Also, I'm think gank/tank and rat comes from eve as I've seen those words make their way into the vocabulary slowly over the past few year, but I can't be sure.


gank, tank is not eve related. It was at least used from EQ on. Especially tank.


I'm not so sure about gank, but Tank also predates EQ by a huge ammount, once more, good old tabletop RPGs. Alot of the terms began seeing broad usage in the 80's on various MUDs, but very much more so MUSH/MOO/MUX formats. MUDs really were just automated hack n' slash with no real RP element as far as I'm concerned.

Oh sure you could RP on a MUD but it wasnt really that conductive to it. It's like playing diablo and claiming that horde of deamons you just clicked like mad on to hack appart was RP.

More so alot of these terms I've come across back when folk played on MUSH/MUX/MOO format, where there were no automated mobs (Now there's a purely MUD term, Mobs was the term given to the automated NPCs in MUDs). Tank has been used to refer to the really tough hard to kill chars for ages, Paladins/warriors etc in D&D, Trolls in Shadowrun (especially SR as in SR3 a troll could take hits no other char could normally survive) etc.

Twink is an equally old term where online gaming is concerned. MUSH/MUX/MOO interfaces defined people as Twinks or Twinkingout especially when they were horribly abusing the system. Staffers creating player alts that had all the best gear/stats etc, people cheating etc, AKA the Munchkin, though twinks I belive was ment to be even more derogatory and imply cheating far more than simple rule bending of the Munchkin. (As munchkins usually just min/max everything and allways want the best gear, twinks 'cheat' and have gear better than is even availble to 'everyone' in the game kinda thing)

Toon I'm sure arose from the earliest graphical MMOs since before then you didnt -have- a graphcial representation of your character, or at least not one that was animated (At best a still drawn picture). Which is why Toon was probably brought up (As it was an animated drawing effectively).

PK as previously mentioned is also a very old term dating back to pen and paper games. D&D was kinda notorious for that in the theme of the thief murdering other players characters for loot. Though it wasnt allways the thief (Worst bork I ever had, +1 dagger, mage and theif wanted it. Mage gets it, theif mruders mage, paladin then for what ever reason murdered the rest of the party while they were sleeping and took it for himself)

As for terms unique to EVE? I'd definately say Rat and Podding. As also previously pointed out rat in other games generally was really for a very specific type of NPC/Creature type. And while you might argue that for EVE, it's become so broadly used in EVE as to cover pretty much any NPC, such as 'naval rats'. Podding is certainly a term I'd never heard of untill I started playing EVE, as while it's a PK definition, it specifically refers to the destrution of some one's pod. And EVE is, to my knowledge at least, the only game where the pod is your actual character graphic (As, beyond the portrait you never actually SEE the character)

So too would be Podpilot, and -possibly- pilot in a general usage term.

Desiderious
Gallente
Black Star Corp
Posted - 2006.11.29 05:53:00 - [58]
 

First of all I have never heard these terms used. First off a "toon" is not used because you cant just create 500 characters. You pretty much are the person you create on the account. It would be kinda wierd to keep refering to yourself while you talk.

You cant really twink guys in eve. Skills put down all of that stuff.

"PKer"? Ive heard of Pirate, anti-pirate, arshole... Etc etc but not really pker. Its a common thing in eve that a lot of poeple do, so its not like its theres a pker group of poeple.

JeffieTheClam
Posted - 2006.11.29 05:57:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Redart
Originally by: Mar Idoun
'Pker'


You cannot PK in WoW.

PK comes from UO.


or muds depending on how long you've been gaming.

Dorian Kartel
Posted - 2006.11.29 07:10:00 - [60]
 

Somewhat off-topicish but in the same general area, how in the world did BS become Battleship? Its one thing to take the standard MMO terms and adapt them to the game environment as nessecary, even invent a few new ones but to take a standard convention of the English language (one that has been in service for over three centuries) and decide to change its reference?


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