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Ifan
Posted - 2006.11.21 22:33:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Ifan on 21/11/2006 22:47:00
Frontier Rising Alliance Business Plan

Description:
Frontier Rising Alliance has put into action the following business plan (Subject to change) for a select constellation in one of the new regions that will be opening up in the near future.

Note: All names of systems, constellations and regions are to remain undisclosed for security reasons.

Frontier Rising Alliance is seeking funding from any and all investors. Our endeavor is set, to take action as soon as is possable with the release of a single initial Minmatar Outpost, supplemental minerals and fuels and a plethora of P.O.S’s. Among other expenses are friendly Alliances assisting for an unset fee.

Investment: As of present we are asking for Players, Corporations, and Alliances to invest in shares of the Frontier Rising Alliance, a total of 3500 shares will be made available at a fixed price of 10 mil each. Donations are also being taken to get the alliance on its feet. We expect a near 35 Billion ISK return.

Benefits: Once our outpost is up and running the Frontier Rising Alliance will have a complete market supplied by a growing supply of 400+ Blue Print Originals (BPO), and supply of 50+ Blue Print Copy’s (BPC).

Participating corporations in the share investment program can expect monthly dividend payouts at the very latest, a month following the construction and deployment of the Minmatar Outpost.

The funds being distributed are coming from a number of sources, taxes and fees. The main source is the participating corporations own funds. ISK from Docking fees, Office Fees and Market Fees will be charged regularly and sent to the main Alliance Wallet, later to be distributed. Taxes include a 7.5% mineral tax. Also income tax based off items that are sold in the Minmatar Outpost and based upon items made in the factory using Alliance Blueprints.
Fees will be coming in from friendly Alliances/Corporations that wish to use the Frontier Rising Alliance Constellation. The fee for the Constellation access will be determined based upon a multitude of “Items” to be stated at a later date.

Initial Plan: (Where your investments are going!)

The bulk of the ISK gained through our investment program will be set for the Minmatar Outpost. The remaining ISK will be divided up into two groups. The executor corporation will receive the first group, and the remaining 9 corporations will receive the second group. The Executor Corporation (also handling the Outpost) will use the ISK for FUEL for all the POS’s. The remaining 9 corporations will take their divided share of the ISK and allocate that to their POS requirement; that is in gaining the POS items, ammunition, parts, etc.



::NOTICE::
This plan is a work in progress, though no major deviations from the current task will be made, it is to be expected that minor changes in the business plan will be made for efficiency and legality.

Frontier Rising Alliance assures all investors that their money will not be wasted and that the task will be completed as soon as is possable.

To assure the investor we mean 100% of what we say we have sources for you to speak with on behalf of Frontier Rising Alliance.

“Pabs Sco” – CEO of Ecosse will vouch that this business plan is sound and real.
“Promithius” – CEO of Subach-Tech will vouch that this business plan is sound and real.
“Horner Langly” – CEO of Odyssey Inc. will vouch that this business plan is sound and real.

Questions:
For any other questions please contact the following:

Llow
Ifan

Shares are on sale for 10 mil isk each join "Frontier Rising" channel ingame for further details or purchase.

Ifan
Posted - 2006.11.21 22:35:00 - [2]
 

there my error is corrected happy now ?

Shionoya Risa
The Xenodus Initiative.
Posted - 2006.11.21 22:37:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Ifan
there my error is corrected happy now ?


No: Shares.

Edit the title next time too, instead of making a new post.

Ifan
Posted - 2006.11.21 22:48:00 - [4]
 

fixed
apologizes

Aeaus
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
Posted - 2006.11.21 22:51:00 - [5]
 

Where? How? How do you plan on making isk?

Outpost projects have relatively low returns for a relatively high risk, how will you neglect this?

Post with your main as well.

Cleclevan
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.11.22 09:12:00 - [6]
 

Also, do you have a security force to defend the area and what is there to stop a larger alliance coming to beat the crap out of the station. I hope you have defensive arrangements in place.

ISD Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc


ISD YARR
Posted - 2006.11.22 12:29:00 - [7]
 

Unless you have honest questions about this auction then please do not post. i will issue warnings for further infringements of this.

Latex Mistress
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2006.11.22 12:43:00 - [8]
 

Some advice:

It would probably be best if you described publicly how you plan on defending the egg. Potential investors will probably want to know how you plan on securing their investment.

BTW: This should come from your alliance spokesman, not an alt.


Promithius
Amarr
Subach-Tech
Posted - 2006.11.22 17:25:00 - [9]
 

Ok to clear up a few points, 1 the character making the posts is the one who must be sent isk for shears hence the use of the alt, i am the executor and any questions may be directed to me.

Deffence:
1. The outpost will be placed in a system with a relatively low number of moons thus meaning the system is easily held under out control through ought the use of defensive POS's at all moons.

2. During deployment the combined forces of the alliance along with other corporations that wish not to be mentioned will escort the egg and ensure its safety during deployment.

Investors:
1. Any player that buy shares will receive positive standings from the alliance and reduced costs at the outpost itself that those standings bring.
2. Any corp that buys shares will receive the same benefits.

If you have any further questions feel free to contact me, but please keep the posts on topic i have no desire to upset any more moderators. Smile

Horner Langly
Caldari
Interstellar Survey Division
Posted - 2006.11.22 22:50:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Promithius
Ok to clear up a few points, 1 the character making the posts is the one who must be sent isk for shears hence the use of the alt, i am the executor and any questions may be directed to me.

Deffence:
1. The outpost will be placed in a system with a relatively low number of moons thus meaning the system is easily held under out control through ought the use of defensive POS's at all moons.

2. During deployment the combined forces of the alliance along with other corporations that wish not to be mentioned will escort the egg and ensure its safety during deployment.

Investors:
1. Any player that buy shares will receive positive standings from the alliance and reduced costs at the outpost itself that those standings bring.
2. Any corp that buys shares will receive the same benefits.

If you have any further questions feel free to contact me, but please keep the posts on topic i have no desire to upset any more moderators. Smile


On behalf of Odyssey Inc. I would like to state that we have already purchased 20 shares for our corporation. Lenex Raay, has purchased an individual 5 shares and Paerb the same. Any of these players may be contacted to verify the purchase.

The shares purchasing is only a minor risk for those corporations that have room for it. Our business plan states that a return is possible if the task is completed, IE if the EGG is placed. Now what alliance, corporation, player would dive into a project without looking at it from all aspects. To think that "WE" would start this project without making sure "ALL MAJOR" alliances were not supporting our cause would be idiotic. Thus, we have made sure, and checked with "MOST" alliances for standings and support and our outcome has been 99.9% positive!

With that being stated we feel that our proposal, in all aspects, is secure. To assume that there will NOT be more then 100 ships defending the egg is also idiotic. To assume that there will be no "FRIENDLY" alliances helping to defend the egg would, again, be idiotic. We have the defenses, and man power to withstand "ALMOST" everything, and anything, that may occur.

For the player that stated it is a bad idea to invest. Please re-read the business plan, you obviously have not done so. Our business plan states where profits will come from. We are immitating ISS procedure in Outpost construction, thus, allowing a similar share payout each month. That is not saying we will have an equal amount of ISK payout and not saying more or less. But we will have a similar payout, assuming the EGG is constructed.

For all other questions please contact myself "Horner Langly" or my assistant "Lenex Raay". For alliance shares contact "IFAN" and for Alliance information "Promithius"

Thank you.

Pabs Sco
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.11.23 09:48:00 - [11]
 

On behalf of Ecosse I would like to say that we have already purchased 10 shares, with the purpose of buying more in the near future.

If I didn't think this was a positive investment I would not risk my corporations ISK.

I belive this business plan is secure and will be profitable. Ofcourse there is always risks in any investment I believe the risks in this is very minimal.

If ISS can publicaly fund stations in 0.0 and become profitable I can not see a reason why any other alliance can not operate the same way.

Please re-read the plan and ask any questions the the people mentioned.

Lady Business
Posted - 2006.11.23 10:21:00 - [12]
 

That's ridiculous to invest in something intangible like this. He offers nothing for your money.
Mythical outpost in mythical system ... no guarantees, no references, no business plan(true BP, not a phrases like "we will earn and pay")...
Why he wrote so much... he could make it in one sentence:"Give me your money, I will pay you devidents.. I will! Honest!"

Just another ordinary scammer with his ordinary scamm...



Dumus
Amarr
Vipera Centauri
Posted - 2006.11.23 11:05:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Dumus on 23/11/2006 11:07:58
To the above poster. I know Prom from days gone by. He is genuine. And FFS there only 10 mill a piece! Has to be worth a punt.

I would like 2 shares pleaseVery Happy

Pabs Sco
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.11.23 11:35:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Lady Business
That's ridiculous to invest in something intangible like this. He offers nothing for your money.
Mythical outpost in mythical system ... no guarantees, no references, no business plan(true BP, not a phrases like "we will earn and pay")...
Why he wrote so much... he could make it in one sentence:"Give me your money, I will pay you devidents.. I will! Honest!"

Just another ordinary scammer with his ordinary scamm...





When you invest in a business there is always a degree of risk, I have known Prom for many months and I know his plan is sound, and it is not a scam. I belive the risk is very minimal and therefor I have invested.

Do you believe ISS scam people? How do you think they have survived with many "Public" owned outposts.


Malagar
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2006.11.23 14:29:00 - [15]
 

screw it ill bite, 2 please :)

Qece
modro
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2006.11.23 14:36:00 - [16]
 

I'll take 5 please.

I'm at work right now, EVEMail me if you'd like or I can contact you when I get online later this evening.

Cartboard Box
Death on Sight
Posted - 2006.11.23 15:23:00 - [17]
 

Interesting proposal.

I'll buy 5 shares, isk has been sent. Please confirm the transaction when you get back ingame via eve-mail.

Thanks

Dumus
Amarr
Vipera Centauri
Posted - 2006.11.23 16:47:00 - [18]
 

Isk sent please evemail me to make sure its all ok :)

RichThugster
Gallente
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.11.24 11:50:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Pabs Sco
When you invest in a business there is always a degree of risk, I have known Prom for many months and I know his plan is sound, and it is not a scam. I belive the risk is very minimal and therefor I have invested.

Do you believe ISS scam people? How do you think they have survived with many "Public" owned outposts.



Phoenix Technologies im pretty sure was a member of ISS, and that was a scam, i personally lost 100mil. Id also be willing to stake a very large amount of isk, that i could get a corp into ISS, and start a scam IPO in a couple of months, whilst trading off the good name of the ISS, all the while saying "we are ISS, trust us"

How long did Guiding Hand Social Club know their marks before they scammed them? i bet its comparable to your "couple of months"

It is by no means a "sound business plan" they are getting isk together to move into a new area of space. A new area which im certain a large number of ppl will try to make a move for. Say if your friend manages to get the forces of BOB and D2 to help clear the area, whats to say they will defend it afterwards?

Part of the reason the ISS outposts havent been taken over is because they dont need to rely on the power of hired mercenaries. Take the KDF outpost. id imagine a HUGE chunk of the share ownership, is by ppl who are in ASCN,LV,V,RA and the other locals.
By selling tickets to the locals ISS, secured ppl who will want to protect their investment, and be happy to fly the jumps there to protect it.

Your friend may sell just 5% of the tickets to D2, if D2 moved into the new area of space and claimed the region which your friend is setting up the outpost in, what is to encourage D2, not to just take it for themselves. Pay out 1.8bil to members and save on paying 30bil+ for a new outpost?

Prof PatPendin
Posted - 2006.11.24 12:13:00 - [20]
 

count me in for 5

Promithius
Amarr
Subach-Tech
Posted - 2006.11.24 18:16:00 - [21]
 

Can you please refrain from posting unless it is to do with the sale, your paranoia and distrust of everyone is best suited elsewhere , i have given you my word that this is genuine as have some people that know me well , if you chose not to invest then please do not waste other peoples time with spam posts.

And many thanks to those of you that have already invested each share sold brings us closer to launch.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.11.24 19:03:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/11/2006 19:03:39
Quite simply: Why should we trust you?

And why did you post a sale thread before posting a business proposal in the Market Discussions? It is generally standard procedure in the EVE financial community to seek input from investors before soliciting cash from them.

Horner Langly
Caldari
Interstellar Survey Division
Posted - 2006.11.24 22:22:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/11/2006 19:03:39
Quite simply: Why should we trust you?

And why did you post a sale thread before posting a business proposal in the Market Discussions? It is generally standard procedure in the EVE financial community to seek input from investors before soliciting cash from them.


I'd like to give a forewarning to all posters that unless the reply states a number of shares they are interested in purchasing, a question about obtaining shares, or a confirmation of shares bought you will be reported for spamming and abuse of the forum terms and service agreement.

With that stated, please do not coach well educated members of the eve community in how to conduct business. If these members needed help, surely they would have gone to a more resourceful member such as a forum administrator.

Thank you to all the investors, we assure you that your decision was wise and we hope for a profitable return in the near future.

Nate D
Hell's Rejects
The Council.
Posted - 2006.11.24 23:00:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Horner Langly
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/11/2006 19:03:39
Quite simply: Why should we trust you?

And why did you post a sale thread before posting a business proposal in the Market Discussions? It is generally standard procedure in the EVE financial community to seek input from investors before soliciting cash from them.


I'd like to give a forewarning to all posters that unless the reply states a number of shares they are interested in purchasing, a question about obtaining shares, or a confirmation of shares bought you will be reported for spamming and abuse of the forum terms and service agreement.

With that stated, please do not coach well educated members of the eve community in how to conduct business. If these members needed help, surely they would have gone to a more resourceful member such as a forum administrator.

Thank you to all the investors, we assure you that your decision was wise and we hope for a profitable return in the near future.


I, Nate D am an interested in buying shares. Please answer the question that Dark Shikari asked to make me feel more comfortable before buying your shares. Also please join in the discussion about your IPO HERE which is located in the Market Discussions forum.

You must understand why there is some concern from the market community as it now seems like you are hiding behind the forum rules to keep from answering questions about your IPO.

Interested investor,
-Nate™

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.11.24 23:16:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/11/2006 23:30:09
Originally by: Horner Langly

I'd like to give a forewarning to all posters that unless the reply states a number of shares they are interested in purchasing, a question about obtaining shares, or a confirmation of shares bought you will be reported for spamming and abuse of the forum terms and service agreement.

With that stated, please do not coach well educated members of the eve community in how to conduct business. If these members needed help, surely they would have gone to a more resourceful member such as a forum administrator.

Sell order forum rules do not exist to protect IPOs from scrutiny.

Any proper IPO should propose its business plan first, to ensure that all holes can be patched up and the trustworthiness of those who run it analyzed, and only then ask for investment. Asking for investment before opening one's plan to scrutiny, while not necessarily a 100% sign of a scam, will earn you the disdain of the entire EVE financial community.

Promithius
Amarr
Subach-Tech
Posted - 2006.11.24 23:51:00 - [26]
 

Ok allow me to make a simple point, i have no intention to scam anyone has been said before i am no scammer , if you are not interested in investing please go elsewhere , i have put forward my plan , if you have any specific questions feel free to contact me and we will dingus them, at the end of the day i have an idea and an offer or returns to those that help me. Again i state if anyone has any questions please feel free to contact me but please refrain from posing slander it benefits no-one

Shin Ra
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.11.24 23:55:00 - [27]
 

Dark Shikari is correct.

While it is impossible to proove that an IPO is or is not a scam, steps can still be taken to ensure that good indications either way are evident. The fact you are opposed to any such discussion does not bode well for either your public image or your reputation, or lack there or.

It is essential to know what you are talking about, have done your research and to be forthcoming in answereing questions.

Since you have done neither, I would suggest that investors spend some time researching this business plan and comparing it to the ISS one found on their website. The noticable lack of security on this project is worrying and an indication of mismanagement.

ISS established Margins when taking down a deathstar was impossible. Now, its is far from it. And having only 3 moons means that anyone attacking you will be able to kill all the POS very quickly. You don't mention where your outpost will be luanched and you don't mention which other alliances you are firnedly too who will help protect it.

I suggest that you stop what you are doing, and do some serious research into what it takes to launch of a project like this. The difficulty you are having convincing many people is due to your lack of research.

Furthermore, I would advise all potential investors NOT to invest until an acceptable level of confidence is placed in this venture. For now, this is High-Risk, Low-Reward - not a smart investment.

Shin Ra
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.11.24 23:57:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Promithius
Ok allow me to make a simple point, i have no intention to scam anyone has been said before i am no scammer , if you are not interested in investing please go elsewhere , i have put forward my plan , if you have any specific questions feel free to contact me and we will dingus them, at the end of the day i have an idea and an offer or returns to those that help me. Again i state if anyone has any questions please feel free to contact me but please refrain from posing slander it benefits no-one


Surely you can understand that simply saying your not a scam is of no benefit to anyone. You must take steps to relieve our fears if you want this to go smoothly.

Look at any IPO thread in the past and you will see people answering questions on them. If we talk to you in game then there is less information available for potential investors. This makes it look like you have something to hide, so it is in your best interest to get everything out in the open right now.

Nate D
Hell's Rejects
The Council.
Posted - 2006.11.25 00:05:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Promithius
Ok allow me to make a simple point, i have no intention to scam anyone has been said before i am no scammer , if you are not interested in investing please go elsewhere , i have put forward my plan , if you have any specific questions feel free to contact me and we will dingus them, at the end of the day i have an idea and an offer or returns to those that help me. Again i state if anyone has any questions please feel free to contact me but please refrain from posing slander it benefits no-one


How can you call asking for more information slander? We are not saying that anything is wrong with your IPO. We are just asking that you come discuss your plans with the community. Participating in the Market Discussions forum will most definatly benefit any real IPO as I'm sure many people who invest in these IPOs get most of their information from there. And right now... you're not looking too good. Come clear your name!

-Nate™

Montaire
Krusual Developments
Posted - 2006.11.25 05:19:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Montaire on 25/11/2006 05:19:49
I am a serious investor. I have over 2 billion in my current portfolio, and am looking to expand it more. I have invested heavily in IPO's in the past and would like to greatly increase my current portfolio.

As an investor I would like a good answer to the following questions.

1. How will you defend this. Consider a small to medium sized force backed by hired mercs. Please be detailed in your answer.

2. The outpost it self will cost near the amount you are raising. How are you protecting the massive supply shipments from empire to 0.0 space when the new regions are going to be absolute chaos ?

2a. How will put up POS's and fuel and afford them with such a low outlay of investment

3. Can you supply your plan to a trusted THIRD party. IE noone who is going to be involved in this in any way. So that rules out any share holders of any kind. Thus far I dont see this has been done.

4. Do you plan to be listed on the EGSE ?

5. What is your back out plan if things go sour, how will my investment be protected in such an event.

Thanks in advance for answers.


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