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Trebor Locke
Gallente
Nexus Aerospace Corporation
Posted - 2006.11.06 16:44:00 - [61]
 

Edited by: Trebor Locke on 06/11/2006 17:08:17
Edited by: Trebor Locke on 06/11/2006 16:49:22
Edited by: Trebor Locke on 06/11/2006 16:46:45
I think what Stoick was reffering to is being able to see everything about your business.

When you post on a public forum, this information should be readily avliable so that you might attract more customers. As a potential client, I would like to know how much profit is being made off of each sale. Do you have records of these? Probably not. Do you have a set profit margin? From the looks of it you take 10% from your total profit. 10% of anything when it comes to resale is a HUGE amount. Considering you made 5.4billion isk your margin of profit is around 30-40%

You also mention you're selling 2billion isk worth of ships a day. Is that profit? If so, you owe your investors a whole heck of a lot more because according to my calculations you're making 166.66... million isk per day in profit. Lets say that 2billion per day in that single system is gross and you only make 10% profit (which is what it seems you are aiming for), thats still 200million per day and much higher than what you've paied to your shareholders and for that matter have stated to the public.

Your numbers don't add up Dark Shikari and while you have a good plan for business, you should get used to some of the scrutiny that is going to come from this forum. If you told people your own profit margins per item you would 1) gain more trust 2) probably get more clients because they would know they aren't getting ripped off.

Keep this in mind, I'm only posting here because I want you to convince me that your line of business is handled best through you. Same with many others who are posting.


EDIT: I also see that you put down a potential customer calling him an alt and saying you wont consider him unless he has around 200billion isk in BPOs. What a way to further increase your customer base! Whats next? Telling people you're selling items in Jita as well? Oh..seems that has happened as well. Rolling Eyes That would make almost all of Eve a potential client to you Mr. Shikari.

Trebor Locke
Gallente
Nexus Aerospace Corporation
Posted - 2006.11.06 17:11:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 03/11/2006 16:25:33
Originally by: Rthor
Originally by: Dark Shikari

And what is this about "lack of full disclosure"? You ask me a question, and I will answer it.


OK. How much did you pay your member corporations for:
1. Taranis
2. 100mn MWD 2
3. Sensor Booster 2
4. Standard Missile Launcher 2

I don't know off-hand, as I'm not at home and thus don't have the spreadsheet with me. But I'm guessing, roughly (note, I am posting what I last paid the corporations for, not what I would pay them now--prices change on a day-to-day basis):

Taranis: 13.2m or so (Jita price used to be higher, but I'm now selling these nearly at a loss, and price hit 13 million today).

100mn MWD II: 4.6m or so (The price of these has been up and down lately... I've seen it as high as 6m and as low as 4.3m... so some profits and some losses. Quite volatile)

Sensor Booster II: 4.3m or so (When I bought these the Jita price was 4.6m, but its now fallen to 4.3m, so STUFF is making a bare breakeven)

Standard Missile Launcher II: 900k or so. (When I bought my last batch from H-TI, the going price was 1.05m or so... but it is now down to 875k and I am again making a loss.)

You actually picked quite a bad bunch of items for STUFF's profit Razz


Oursulaert usually sells MWDs for the best btw :) 5.5-6mil average.

Rthor
Gallente
Smugglers Inc.
Posted - 2006.11.06 17:13:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: Rthor on 06/11/2006 17:13:55
Originally by: Dark Shikari
We do not work for the people who buy T2 items in Jita. We work for the people who sell T2 items. They are our customers. This is not hard to understand.


People you work for are your "employers."
People who buy from you are your "customers."
"Employers," and not your "clients," pay your "salary."
Look these terms up. It is elementary Watson. If you have to redefine these terms to make your "argument" work then you know...ugh

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.11.06 17:14:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Steven Dynahir

How much would you pay for each Eris?


Sorry, missed you. Will calculate it now.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.11.06 17:17:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 06/11/2006 17:41:59
Originally by: Rthor

Originally by: Dark Shikari
We do not work for the people who buy T2 items in Jita. We work for the people who sell T2 items. They are our customers. This is not hard to understand.


People you work for are your "employers."
People who buy from you are your "customers."
"Employers," and not your "clients," pay your "salary."
Look these terms up. It is elementary Watson. If you have to redefine these terms to make your "argument" work then you know...ugh

If you have a question, please ask it. If you have a criticism of our business model, please point it out specifically. But arguing over definitions of words in the English language is not very helpful IMO Neutral

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.11.06 17:26:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 06/11/2006 17:32:19
Originally by: Trebor Locke
I think what Stoick was reffering to is being able to see everything about your business.

Obviously I can't post thousands of pieces of information here. As I said, ask a question and I will try to find the answer.
Originally by: Trebor Locke

When you post on a public forum, this information should be readily avliable so that you might attract more customers. As a potential client, I would like to know how much profit is being made off of each sale. Do you have records of these? Probably not. Do you have a set profit margin? From the looks of it you take 10% from your total profit. 10% of anything when it comes to resale is a HUGE amount. Considering you made 5.4billion isk your margin of profit is around 30-40%

I can give you the formula we use to decide what price we pay you. Why does it matter to you what profit we make off each sale? I would assume as a client that you would care what you're getting paid.
Originally by: Trebor Locke

You also mention you're selling 2billion isk worth of ships a day. Is that profit? If so, you owe your investors a whole heck of a lot more because according to my calculations you're making 166.66... million isk per day in profit. Lets say that 2billion per day in that single system is gross and you only make 10% profit (which is what it seems you are aiming for), thats still 200million per day and much higher than what you've paied to your shareholders and for that matter have stated to the public.


I said we're approaching 2 billion ISK in ships, modules, and ammo per day sold. However, most of the month we sold a lot less than that, because when the month began we had many fewer clients.
Originally by: Trebor Locke

Your numbers don't add up Dark Shikari and while you have a good plan for business, you should get used to some of the scrutiny that is going to come from this forum. If you told people your own profit margins per item you would 1) gain more trust 2) probably get more clients because they would know they aren't getting ripped off.


Clients know they aren't getting ripped off because I give them straight-out simple prices on everything they're selling us.

Originally by: Trebor Locke

EDIT: I also see that you put down a potential customer calling him an alt and saying you wont consider him unless he has around 200billion isk in BPOs. What a way to further increase your customer base! Whats next? Telling people you're selling items in Jita as well? Oh..seems that has happened as well. Rolling Eyes That would make almost all of Eve a potential client to you Mr. Shikari.

He wanted me to change my business plan to suit him.

I am not going to change my business plan to suit anybody unless they can offer enough sales to replace that of my current clients. Why should I alienate my current clientbase in order to make an alt happy?

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.11.06 17:32:00 - [67]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 06/11/2006 17:34:39

And to answer the Eris question, the price of an Eris would be approximately 10,583,000 ISK. This is assuming a build cost of 8 million ISK. If you sold some to us, you would send us the exact build cost to allow us to get an exact price.

Eldo Davip


ISD YARR
Posted - 2006.11.06 17:39:00 - [68]
 

Please be polite, civil when replying to threads and dont try to hijack them Smile

Gavin Kineli
Cross Roads
Ouroboros Cross Combine
Posted - 2006.11.06 18:16:00 - [69]
 

What is the big deal?

Dark gets a thumbs up from me. He's made my life substantially easier and AATP is bringing in plenty of profit.

The point of this was to post this months profits. If you want in, ask questions. If you don't, leave the thread alone. He's not changing his methods, he already makes plenty of isk this way.

It's no coincidence some of the largest manufacturers in the game are using STUFF, so relax people.

Pepe le'PewPew
Gallente
EVE Reserve Bank
Posted - 2006.11.07 19:56:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Pepe le''PewPew on 07/11/2006 19:59:03

1) Not sure why people are attacking DS, it is not like he is listing a whacky IPO here...

2) Are people completely missing the point about various producers marketing their products through a single source?

Hint: if you have one entity setting the selling price for several producers it should minimize competitive pricing pressures.



Regards,

Pepe

EMFI AATP
Advanced Astrological Technology Production
Posted - 2006.11.07 20:06:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Pepe le'PewPew
Edited by: Pepe le''PewPew on 07/11/2006 19:59:03

1) Not sure why people are attacking DS, it is not like he is listing a whacky IPO here...

2) Are people completely missing the point about various producers marketing their products through a single source?

Hint: if you have one entity setting the selling price for several producers it should minimize competitive pricing pressures.



Regards,

Pepe



Shshhhh!

Stoick Furious
Posted - 2006.11.07 20:19:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Stoick Furious on 07/11/2006 20:20:59
This is ridiculous lol.

When a person posts an outright advertisement in a free market forum that claims exceptional gains, profitability and outright solicits new customers then he or she should be willing to answer questions, civilly about how the business operates and why potential new customers should be interested.

While current customer satisfaction is an important measure of a businesses success to some extent it does not replace answering fundamental questions about why new customers would be interested. It would actually be quite irresponsible.

I’m sure all of your customers are satisfied - but you have provided very little reason to new customers to invest in your concept except “my current customers think it’s great” combined with very vague financial statements.

I could create a corporation with just me in t and buy Battleships for 1 isk each, resell them for 150 million isk each, then give 100 million isk of that back to the suppliers as “dividends”. That doesn’t mean that I should be reporting 149.99 etc. million isk as profit. The above scenario is an example of creative accounting to inflate your revenue from 50 to 149 million and that’s the kind of scenario people have been asking you to clear up. Especially if, as it seems, you're using those huge enflated revenues (which really belong to your suppliers) to solicit new business.

Nobody has made this into a flaming match except for you at the moment. People with legitimate questions and comments have been called “Alts”, simply because you don’t want to defend your concept to “alts” - and you’ve ended up doing more damage to yourself then good probably. I mean in one post not to far above you even said you wouldn’t ditch your current customers UNLESS a bigger one came along. That’s a walking PR nightmare right there. This entire thread has turned into a bit of a PR fumble for you and I hope you learn from it before advertising again.

I’m personally done trying to get information about this business. You may want to consider either using some of that 500 million isk to hire someone to do your PR for you, or stay out of the message board advertising entirely if you’re not interested in politely defending your business.

Good luck Dark.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.11.07 21:50:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/11/2006 22:10:29
Originally by: Stoick Furious

When a person posts an outright advertisement in a free market forum that claims exceptional gains, profitability and outright solicits new customers then he or she should be willing to answer questions, civilly about how the business operates and why potential new customers should be interested.

That's why I have answered every question that I have seen has been asked of me, to the best of my ability.

I can't do anything with criticism if you don't have suggestions or questions. All you have done, this entire thread, is basically post smacktalk. You have not asked any questions, as far as I can see.

This thread isn't a PR "fumble"--I have already nearly doubled the number of STUFF members since this thread was posted.

Thank you for promising to leave my threads alone in the future. My business will do much better without a troll criticizing it, yet refusing to provide any information on how he would improve it.

Aeaus
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
Posted - 2006.11.08 02:20:00 - [74]
 

I do not know what you guys have your panties in a fuss about, DS provides a great service, and believe me, all member corporations are well informed of the business model.

Trebor Locke
Gallente
Nexus Aerospace Corporation
Posted - 2006.11.08 16:10:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Aeaus
I do not know what you guys have your panties in a fuss about, DS provides a great service, and believe me, all member corporations are well informed of the business model.


The problem most have is with the fact that he isn't posting up the true numbers thats all. He'd probably triple his business if he told everyone how much actual cash he was making from the T2 makers. Most of us traders have formulas to deal with people who wish to know how he's making money.

He's stated what his consortium does but has posted no goals and no margins other than total profit (people are looking for the markups he puts on his items as well as average deficits the T2 makers might come up with). People just wish to know what his margins are and how he's working it. Anyone can state a huge profit margin and claim a few people as clients on forums *shrugs*.

As for having sales move through one person, it actually hurts the economy of certain regions. How you might ask? When large amounts of particular items come from one person those items are under increased competition because you'll have more public traders trying to undercut the larger sell orders. Most public traders don't have the sources for such an operation and they'll squelch out prices on items completely skewing the value of certain items for months on end. I know I had to do it when I worked in the public sector.

I happen to do exactly what DS does except I work entirely out of the private sector. Not only does DS have the ability to bend the market to his whims, but the public traders can also make it so all of his items sell at disadvantages. Lucky for DS most public traders are in trade hubs :)

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.11.08 17:09:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Trebor Locke
The problem most have is with the fact that he isn't posting up the true numbers thats all. He'd probably triple his business if he told everyone how much actual cash he was making from the T2 makers. Most of us traders have formulas to deal with people who wish to know how he's making money.

But I have told everyone who has asked how it works... I'll repost it here for your convenience.

Each item has a rating, based on its daily volume in Jita, price stability, and market average. The best items, like our Curses, EANM2s, Medium Armor Rep 2s, and others, have a Diamond rating. The worst, things that make 100k-200k profit a day or something equally worthless, have a Dirt rating. There are many in between.

A Diamond-rated item means STUFF takes 10% of the *margin*. Thus, if you're selling us a Claymore (Gold rated, for 20% margin), for example, that cost 60m to build, and market price is 90m, we will take 20% of 30 million, or 6 million.

Sales Merchant
Posted - 2006.11.10 12:51:00 - [77]
 

Question to DS

Why are you posting about a IPO that does not have public shares? What is the point!?

Since its a private IPO should you not publish your profits to only those that are concerned, on a private forum preferably, where we don't have to see it?

Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2006.11.10 13:28:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Sales Merchant
Why are you posting about a IPO that does not have public shares? What is the point!?

My guess would be to advertise the service. Shares are 'publicly' available, you just have to become a member of the consortium.

Mr Ratty
Ratty Corp PLC
Confederation of Independent Corporations
Posted - 2006.12.11 17:28:00 - [79]
 

So if i get this right

I make viators, you buy them off me for 20m (just as an example)

you then sell viators for 25m
taking say 1m for your efforts
4 mill then gets divided by the shareholder corps?

that about it?

incidently what WOULD you pay for viators?

Kilda Shepp
Perkone
Posted - 2006.12.11 19:28:00 - [80]
 

In reality STUFF is like... the Ingram of EVE.

Manufactures sell items to stuff at cost. Tell them how much they want it sold for, or at least how much profit they are willing to make.

Stuff turns around and sells it at a price in which will cover the profit request and all costs. Chances are the STUFF rep probably has Awesome standing with the NCP corp, and level 5 on all the Trade skills. So they pay next to nothing in taxes and broker fees.

It's actually a great model for resale. And they said it themselves they take 10%.

So lets see how much Profit that really is to the suppliers.

Raven. Costs say 80mil to make, they give it to STUFF and said we want to sell it for 20mil profit.

100mil sale

Normally there is
1% broker
1% tax

which is 2mil in TAXs and fees.

STUFF however don't pay those fees. So they toss something on the market for 100mil and sell it for 100mil.

20mil profit they take 10% of is... 2mil

Manufacture still get the exact amount of money if they sold it themselves. The only difference is, STUFF are taking "TAX and FEES" which is why FIN, AATP, T2HL, T2AHL, H-TI, and MASP don't care if they sell though STUFF of by themselves.

There is obviously more to it but the general idea is they are acting as the middleman collecting the ISK which would normally be spent if there was no middleman in the sale.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.12.11 20:39:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/12/2006 20:42:10
Originally by: Mr Ratty
So if i get this right

I make viators, you buy them off me for 20m (just as an example)

you then sell viators for 25m
taking say 1m for your efforts
4 mill then gets divided by the shareholder corps?

that about it?

incidently what WOULD you pay for viators?

Clearly this is a bit of a thread necro, but you are correct.

However:

1. Our margin on Viators is lower than 5m.
2. Viators are currently going for like 19.5m or the like in Jita... so we'd buy at less than that.
3. AATP already provides us with nearly all the Viators we can sell, and as AATP is a shareholding corporation, it is unlikely we would buy more if it prevented us from selling out full stock from AATP.
Originally by: Kilda Shepp
Stuff turns around and sells it at a price in which will cover the profit request and all costs. Chances are the STUFF rep probably has Awesome standing with the NCP corp, and level 5 on all the Trade skills. So they pay next to nothing in taxes and broker fees.

Actually no, only 4/4 trade and no standing Embarassed.

But to be honest, the broker fees are a very, very minimal cost to STUFF. We lose far more on price collapses and the like. And our margin ranges from as low as 5% to as high as 50%. For example, on a 60m ship with 30m build cost that is rated as Diamond, we would get a 5% margin. On a 500k item with 100k build cost and Silver rating, we'd get a 24% margin.

By the way, I didn't post a thread for this, but our last dividend was about 6.7 billion.

Astarte Nosferatu
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.12.11 20:51:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari

By the way, I didn't post a thread for this, but our last dividend was about 6.7 billion.


Could you make this information available somewhere so potential sellers know what to expect? Perhaps add a page to your ingame website?

At the moment I'm doubting whether to sell through STUFF or handle things on my own.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.12.11 22:09:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Originally by: Dark Shikari

By the way, I didn't post a thread for this, but our last dividend was about 6.7 billion.


Could you make this information available somewhere so potential sellers know what to expect? Perhaps add a page to your ingame website?

At the moment I'm doubting whether to sell through STUFF or handle things on my own.

A page on divvies?

Well currently we're debating within STUFF on whether to allow more major members or to stay within the current shareholding group, as there are many people who are quite happy selling to us without the benefit of dividends adding to their profits, including a Vagabond/Mackinaw/about 12 other BPOs manufacturer.

Major members will probably be dealt with on an individual basis at the moment. If you want to try it out, feel free to contact Yukari and I can set you up for a one-time deal or a minor membership to start off with.

Astarte Nosferatu
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.12.11 22:46:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Astarte Nosferatu on 11/12/2006 23:01:14
Originally by: Dark Shikari

Major members will probably be dealt with on an individual basis at the moment. If you want to try it out, feel free to contact Yukari and I can set you up for a one-time deal or a minor membership to start off with.


I'm nowhere near becoming a major member, you consider major members as people or corps that have a T2 BPO portfolio of 100bil+, mine is approximately worth a fifth of that (eight BPO's at the moment). I'd personally would like to buy some shares though, to expand my share portfolio a bit Smile, but I'll have to save up and buy more BPO's first I guess.

Edit: and yes, a page with a dividend history, income etc... Basicly the numbers you made your financial statement with in the original post. So potential investors can look at how STUFF is doing before they decide to get in on it.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.12.11 23:04:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Edited by: Astarte Nosferatu on 11/12/2006 23:01:14
Originally by: Dark Shikari

Major members will probably be dealt with on an individual basis at the moment. If you want to try it out, feel free to contact Yukari and I can set you up for a one-time deal or a minor membership to start off with.


I'm nowhere near becoming a major member, you consider major members as people or corps that have a T2 BPO portfolio of 100bil+, mine is approximately worth a fifth of that (eight BPO's at the moment). I'd personally would like to buy some shares though, to expand my share portfolio a bit Smile, but I'll have to save up and buy more BPO's first I guess.

Edit: and yes, a page with a dividend history, income etc... Basicly the numbers you made your financial statement with in the original post. So potential investors can look at how STUFF is doing before they decide to get in on it.

We do not sell shares publicly, which is why I decided to not post dividends after the first thread.

Astarte Nosferatu
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.12.11 23:13:00 - [86]
 

Edited by: Astarte Nosferatu on 11/12/2006 23:13:34
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Edited by: Astarte Nosferatu on 11/12/2006 23:01:14
Originally by: Dark Shikari

Major members will probably be dealt with on an individual basis at the moment. If you want to try it out, feel free to contact Yukari and I can set you up for a one-time deal or a minor membership to start off with.


I'm nowhere near becoming a major member, you consider major members as people or corps that have a T2 BPO portfolio of 100bil+, mine is approximately worth a fifth of that (eight BPO's at the moment). I'd personally would like to buy some shares though, to expand my share portfolio a bit Smile, but I'll have to save up and buy more BPO's first I guess.

Edit: and yes, a page with a dividend history, income etc... Basicly the numbers you made your financial statement with in the original post. So potential investors can look at how STUFF is doing before they decide to get in on it.

We do not sell shares publicly, which is why I decided to not post dividends after the first thread.


So if I decided to join (probably as a minor member, as I don't have the required T2 BPO value to be come a major member), would I get a monthly financial report from STUFF?

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.12.11 23:34:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu

So if I decided to join (probably as a minor member, as I don't have the required T2 BPO value to be come a major member), would I get a monthly financial report from STUFF?

I could send you info at any time if you wanted it--the info is relatively public. I don't generally publish a monthly report except a simple corpmail saying the total assets (in T2 and ISK) and the total dividend + salary, however, but if you really want any info I can probably get it for you.

You don't even need to be a member to get this info, mind you.

There is some info I won't give. For example, I will not say which corps have which blueprints unless they give me the clearance to do so.

Astarte Nosferatu
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.12.12 00:09:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu

So if I decided to join (probably as a minor member, as I don't have the required T2 BPO value to be come a major member), would I get a monthly financial report from STUFF?

I could send you info at any time if you wanted it--the info is relatively public. I don't generally publish a monthly report except a simple corpmail saying the total assets (in T2 and ISK) and the total dividend + salary, however, but if you really want any info I can probably get it for you.

You don't even need to be a member to get this info, mind you.


The basic info you just summed up would be great. It gives an idea on the scale of things you are working on and how good it's going. Besides, I just like numbers, especially when it concerns money Razz.

Originally by: Dark Shikari

There is some info I won't give. For example, I will not say which corps have which blueprints unless they give me the clearance to do so.


Which is understandable, and I have no problem with that. That isn't relevant information for someone in my situation anyways Very Happy.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.12.12 00:41:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu

So if I decided to join (probably as a minor member, as I don't have the required T2 BPO value to be come a major member), would I get a monthly financial report from STUFF?

I could send you info at any time if you wanted it--the info is relatively public. I don't generally publish a monthly report except a simple corpmail saying the total assets (in T2 and ISK) and the total dividend + salary, however, but if you really want any info I can probably get it for you.

You don't even need to be a member to get this info, mind you.


The basic info you just summed up would be great. It gives an idea on the scale of things you are working on and how good it's going. Besides, I just like numbers, especially when it concerns money Razz.

Originally by: Dark Shikari

There is some info I won't give. For example, I will not say which corps have which blueprints unless they give me the clearance to do so.


Which is understandable, and I have no problem with that. That isn't relevant information for someone in my situation anyways Very Happy.

Log on ingame so I can convo you, seriously Laughing

Astarte Nosferatu
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.12.12 11:09:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu

So if I decided to join (probably as a minor member, as I don't have the required T2 BPO value to be come a major member), would I get a monthly financial report from STUFF?

I could send you info at any time if you wanted it--the info is relatively public. I don't generally publish a monthly report except a simple corpmail saying the total assets (in T2 and ISK) and the total dividend + salary, however, but if you really want any info I can probably get it for you.

You don't even need to be a member to get this info, mind you.


The basic info you just summed up would be great. It gives an idea on the scale of things you are working on and how good it's going. Besides, I just like numbers, especially when it concerns money Razz.

Originally by: Dark Shikari

There is some info I won't give. For example, I will not say which corps have which blueprints unless they give me the clearance to do so.


Which is understandable, and I have no problem with that. That isn't relevant information for someone in my situation anyways Very Happy.

Log on ingame so I can convo you, seriously Laughing


It's not my fault you live in the wrong timezone Razz. I'll talk to you tonight :).


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