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Chakra Senior
Posted - 2006.10.24 15:20:00 - [1]
 

Let me start by saying that I absolutely love the concept of this game. I started just over a week ago and it's been fun and challenging to learn the system. Yesterday something happened that had me questioning my activities within the game though.

Last night someone in the corp I'm in purchased a month subscription and sold it to another player for 130,000,000 credits. That's not the part that confuses me, as I understand they did it to stop people from buying money outside the game. What has me concerned now though, is that when I asked other corp members what I could do beyond earning money and waiting for skills to finish to improve my character they pretty well came up blank.

So I'm toiling all night mining to make 2 million credits for instance, when I can purchase almost 10 million credits for 1 dollar. So all my character advancement for almost a week can be purchased for 1 dollar. I know later you can make a lot more money, but as a new player, my skills aren't high enough to really pull in much money. So is there anything else my character can be doing in the game to improve himself? I don't want to wait months and months for my skills to increase to the point where I can earn money and I don't want to mine rocks for 40 hours when there is little to no point to it when all that work is worth about as much as a chocolate bar.

Someone can buy the game, log in for 10 minutes a day and spend 15 dollars and be just as far as someone that plays all week for months. I'm not a power gamer, and I'm not trying to get ahead or anything, I just want to know that my time spent doing less fun activities is worth at least something. Why sit and stare at asteroids for 10 hours for instance if the only gain is ISK.

So someone tell me that there are things in the game, that will make participation actually matter?

Thank you in advance for any responses. I love this game so far and want to fall in love with it for a long time, but this is bugging me.

Angxia
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.10.24 15:31:00 - [2]
 

Wait for skills to train, sell a GTC, buy a kickbutt ship and modules and go PvP.

'Participation' is irrelevant.

Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
Sc0rched Earth
Posted - 2006.10.24 15:33:00 - [3]
 

Mining is not the only option to make money.
I guess you know that, missions do give some ISK too. Truth is that the limited skills may sound limiting, but in reality they are not. You can do a lot of stuff, granted not good as a skilled player, and some things are not possible for you.

But EVE is not a game that everyone is equal. Time you spent on the game is rewarded by opening new possibilities and improving the ones you allready have.

You are a week old as you say. I bet that you have not ventured in the various constellations, nor have you tried do some missions. I also think that you have not managed to get a long term (long is very relative to you) plan as to what you want your character to be.

I think that you have not tried to enter lowsec or 0.0 to see what the fuss is about.

There are many things that you can do. You don't have to mine every single day. Well i at least have not mined more than twice except the tutorial. And i am 4 months old as a character. I am doing a lot and i tell you that week by week i find and new opportunities to make profit (well for this so far the choices are limited no industry skills) or to have fun.

The only real limit is your will to do something not the thing itself.

Estel Arador
Posted - 2006.10.24 15:34:00 - [4]
 

I play games (including Eve) to have fun, not to have the most money or skills.

Sure I'm working towards a goal, but I'm making sure I'm having fun while getting there. Just buying my goal wouldn't give me any satisfaction.

x racer
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.10.24 15:35:00 - [5]
 

Yes,

1) Work on your standing with a R&D corp. The lottery system is going away soon and everyone will have a legitimate chance at getting a very nice BPC.

2) PVP. All you need in a frigate is MWD and a Warp Scrambler to help out in PVP effectively.

3) PVE. Mining is prolly the most profitabe way to make isk in the beginning, but theres lots of other ways to make isk.

The real question is what do you want to do? (insert sandbox analogy here)

Eve is openended, its what you make of it. You want to be an ebil pirate? Go for it. How about wtfbbq'ing the market? You can do that.

Please remember having the most isk is not "winning" the game. Having "enough" isk is the key.

gl and welcome

x

Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
Sc0rched Earth
Posted - 2006.10.24 15:37:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Angxia
Wait for skills to train, sell a GTC, buy a kickbutt ship and modules and go PvP.

'Participation' is irrelevant.


Wow this is a good way to enjoy a game.....by doing nothing.Rolling Eyes
I feel sorry for you.

Mirasta
Taurus Inc
Mournival Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.24 15:39:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: x racer

Please remember having the most isk is not "winning" the game. Having "enough" isk is the key.

gl and welcome

x


This man speaks facts.

I like to think: Finding something you like doing and doing it is winning eve.

Darksaber64x
Ecchi co.
Posted - 2006.10.24 15:42:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Darksaber64x on 24/10/2006 15:44:23
:/

Okay, it's stue, for people who have played other games, there dosn't seem to be much to do in this game. Nothing is laid out for your, except maybe the tutorial. But really... what do you need all that isk for when you are new?

There are tonnes of things to do. You could wander around the universe, jumping from system to system, flying to the belts, maybe eve try to socialize in local (works for some people). Get in a T1 frig with a few guns, an armor repper or shield booster, and you should be able to deal with most belt rats in .5+.

You could even head out to low sec space, sure it's dangerous, but you have a t1 frig, surely that's not too bad if you inure it and can make 2 mil a day right? Jo see what there is to see. Have no real set path. If you happen across a 1/10 or 2/10 deadspace pocket, clear it out for the fun of it.

What's great is, all you have to do to get back, is either wander around in low sec clueless for too long and you might get podded eventually, or self destruct your pod... and viola! Back to your home station (if you set your clone there). Sure it dosn't make too much money, but again, until you have skills to have use for that money, what do you need it for? Have fun in a frig before rushing to a cruiser or battleship.

EDIT: I type too slow, I replied right after that first (stupid) responce.

arjun
Viziam
Posted - 2006.10.24 15:43:00 - [9]
 

you can not increase your learning speed by activities. you can increase it a little by usinfg isk to buy implants.

what you can increase by activities is EXPERIENCE.

i dont know what you want to do in the game but the more interesting things are happening within pvp activities. pvp is not only shoty shooty it happens on the market too (with a little less adrenaline) selling stuff can be a challenge the same as winning a fight.

for most goals in eve u need to be part of a group. to be useful for this group you need skills and EXPERIENCE. try things out. start with hunting npc if u are aware, how the basics of combat work, challenge a corpmate to see how different npc hunting and pvp combat is.
try many different things. money cant buy you the usefulnes for your player group. weven with the best skills, ships and equipment you are just dead if u dont know what you are doing.
on the other hand even very young players can be useful. be it as haulers, scouts or tacklers.
on


Angxia
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.10.24 15:43:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Originally by: Angxia
Wait for skills to train, sell a GTC, buy a kickbutt ship and modules and go PvP.

'Participation' is irrelevant.


Wow this is a good way to enjoy a game.....by doing nothing.Rolling Eyes
I feel sorry for you.


The fun for me is PvP, PvPing takes alot of ISK to refit things you get blown up.

Why run lots of missions or mine for hours if the only gain is ISK, as the OP stated, when you can sell a GTC and fund all the fun stuff very easily.

Norris Neophitus
Minmatar
Posted - 2006.10.24 15:46:00 - [11]
 

All very true but we all know that there are people who would rather purchase their position in a game than earn it, so i might as well say it,

You can buy a preskilled char on the forums or ebay quite easily however i think the rules are you can buy a char for isk and pay ccp to transfer it to your account and even get a new pic for it, buy it on ebay and you will be breaking the rules.

Though i've never even really looked at these options as im not willing to waste more money than i already do on mmog so i have no idea how it all works with the rules and stuff

Chakra Senior
Posted - 2006.10.24 16:06:00 - [12]
 

Thank you all for your replies. I didn't even know you could buy pre-skilled players legitimately.

I know that learning about the game through practice is important, but I was hoping that there was more to it. I was hoping that factions or something could be done with my time that would make some real difference beyond skill and ISK. Maybe getting access to certain things because of missions done, or anything of that nature. Advancement seems very strongly biased towards waiting in real life time and ISK, and ISK seems to just be about money spent.

I know this shouldn't effect the fun that I'm having within the game. I should be having fun within my own context no matter what others are doing. I was proud of what I accomplished in my 10 days, and I was really excited for the things I was doing. That inner excitement kind of died for me when a corp member earned all that money and purchased the ship I was saving up for instantly. I had goals, and I was having fun working towards them, but it really urked me for some reason when a month of game play was purchased for 15 dollars. I know it's stupid and it shouldn't bother me, but for some reason it killed some of the spark for me.

I'll follow all your advice and try to find that spark again. I'll run more missions and outfit myself more for pve. Hopefully I'll find my way back on course. Thank you.

Heikki
Gallente
Erasers inc.
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2006.10.24 16:07:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Chakra Senior
asked other corp members .. came up blank
Eve being team oriented game, one of the most important things is to find a good corp. Preferably one that can guide you.

Actually, as a newbie, some things are easier for you: the ships you use are almost free. Basicly any good can provide you with all t1 frigates/cruisers and mods you need, even if you lose them regularly

- Find group interested in wars or 0.0 PvP, and act as a tackler for them
- Explore Eve (in cheap frig): the sightseeing points (New Eden etc). Get familiar with vastness of 0.0 and hotness of the entrance points
- Get cheap hauler and look for NPC trade routes or PC market profits
- Locate and fetch lost fighters (20M a piece) in certain systems
- Get familiar with piracy of Eve : try to mine in some common lowsec system
- Join Goonfleet and be emerged in vast wars
- etc etc etc.

I faintly remember Eve did have some mining and mission stuff too, guess it is only some minority who fuzzes about those..

If you really feel constricted by the ISK, then just buy a GTC and sell in on the forums. I daresay skills (character and player) will be the more restricting factor.

-Lasse

Darksaber64x
Ecchi co.
Posted - 2006.10.24 16:13:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Chakra Senior
Thank you all for your replies. I didn't even know you could buy pre-skilled players legitimately.

I know that learning about the game through practice is important, but I was hoping that there was more to it. I was hoping that factions or something could be done with my time that would make some real difference beyond skill and ISK. Maybe getting access to certain things because of missions done, or anything of that nature. Advancement seems very strongly biased towards waiting in real life time and ISK, and ISK seems to just be about money spent.

I know this shouldn't effect the fun that I'm having within the game. I should be having fun within my own context no matter what others are doing. I was proud of what I accomplished in my 10 days, and I was really excited for the things I was doing. That inner excitement kind of died for me when a corp member earned all that money and purchased the ship I was saving up for instantly. I had goals, and I was having fun working towards them, but it really urked me for some reason when a month of game play was purchased for 15 dollars. I know it's stupid and it shouldn't bother me, but for some reason it killed some of the spark for me.

I'll follow all your advice and try to find that spark again. I'll run more missions and outfit myself more for pve. Hopefully I'll find my way back on course. Thank you.


Listen to yourself, you gave some great advice. You had a great time working, saving, PLAYING up to get that ship you were aiming for right? Did you have fun? Was it a sense of accomplishment? Did you enjoy actually, finally being able to buy that ship? more than likely yes. That guy that bought isk sold himself short, and denied himself all that entertainment and sense of accomplishment. You are better than him, and will more likely stick with this game longer if this dosn't discourage you too much.

Valan
Posted - 2006.10.24 16:14:00 - [15]
 

Those that stick with the game have tried pretty much everything at some point. Even the hardest 3 year old rat has mined at some point :) This game has so much.

You can buy your way in but if you're only going to stay for 7 months (average player life) save your money.

I've done the following.

mined, traded low sec blockade running, produced, courier, pve complex running, pve missions, corp events, corp director, producer, science, 0.0 pvp fleet and skirmish, low sec pvp, 0.0 politics, POS running

x racer
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.10.24 16:19:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Heikki
Originally by: Chakra Senior
asked other corp members .. came up blank
Eve being team oriented game, one of the most important things is to find a good corp. Preferably one that can guide you.


I would say that a good corp is prolly the most important thing, unless your a solo player. Theres lots of so-so corps out there. Most of the really good corps are invite only.

In the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center on Forums you can see what your options are. Choose carefully as your choice might well have long term consequences.
There is corps that specialise in the development of new Chars and will expose you to all aspects of the eve experience. Further, they will "introduce" you to a corp that specialises in whatever your area of interest becomes.

x

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.10.24 16:23:00 - [17]
 

The point of the game isn't to make ISK.

It can be a fun pasttime, yes, but the fun is in making the ISK, not having it.

Oh, and once you get good enough, buying ISK will appear silly. I mean, once you can earn 20 million ISK an hour, why pay hundreds of bucks for GTCs to sell?


 

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