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Citizen X
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:23:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Citizen X on 24/10/2006 14:23:47
Edited by: Citizen X on 24/10/2006 14:23:33
believe it or not not all tech II BPO make **** laods of iskies.

LOL have a break - you need it!

Angxia
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:23:00 - [32]
 

Edit the topic of this post to say:

I'm greedy.

plzthx

Tapas
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:26:00 - [33]
 

Is it just me or did the OP just complain over a 35% profit margin and having a good amount of control over the whole market?!?!?!?!?!?!

You have enough to last you a few years because you have been bending over the eve community for the last year or 2 with your T2 prices (and not even buying them dinner). Get over yourself, 35% profit margin is good. Try making anything else in the game, if you have a 35% margin you are golden.

Oh wait, you are one of those spoiled T2 brats.

GOOOOOOOOOO T2 LOTTERY!!!!!!!!!!!!! Making aholes, one seed at a time!

Sunsets
Habitual Euthanasia
Dystopia Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:27:00 - [34]
 

http://www.evetrust.com/group/541/

Tada I solved the problem, where's my cookie?

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:28:00 - [35]
 

Shame you didn't post with your main, or you may have suddenly found your corp the first unifying factor in EVE history- every corp and alliance in the known universe would come together in harmony to war dec you. Would have been nice, that there utopia, all because of you!


Seeling a ship witha base price of 19mill for 250 mill each is something that deserves whining at- and if you want to keep doing it (which is your right, for the next few weeks at least) you should be prepared to be flamed.

Inventions a coming, and then we can all just ignore you and get on with our lives Rolling Eyes

Phrixus Zephyr
MEK Enterprises
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:29:00 - [36]
 

FYI. Sam bought all of his T2 BPO's, he didn't win them.

People complaining about Vaga (HAC, etc) prices i understand, but in all honesty the rediculous markup is because people keep buying them. It 'should' be solved to some extent with invention, proberbly because 75% of eve will try and get in on the Vaga prices while they're still high.

The argument for totally insane T2 price's and most other T2 mod's people don't have a problem with are entirely different. People expect you to cut your own throat on the smaller BPO's because they're not as popular and just use the 'T2 bpo owner/stupid prices/lottery' argument which doesn't hold true.

I can see why he's sick and tired of spending that much effort doing all that logistic to have people DEMAND that he sell's them at a price not worth the effort.

Time costs money.

Khajit Smitty
Minmatar
MisFunk Inc.
Daisho Syndicate
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:29:00 - [37]
 

Lookie its a prime example of how retarted the whole T2 BPO lottery idea is!!

To the OP why dont you form an ingame union and rally all the T2 BPO owners together then every 2 months you can strike,protest,toi-toi and throw sticks around and hike the price up by another 50%.

I do hope that invention is actually worth while and fixes a really really bad mistake CCP made sometime back.

Khajit Smitty throws this monkey a T2 bananna!

P.s : im not one for flamming or insulting but you kinda deserve it

DazWozUK
Caldari
Goodfellas holding corp
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:30:00 - [38]
 

We will see how much you can really sell t2 for once invention becomes established in Kali.
Reep the rewards of those BPO's while you can, the market stranglehold on T2 producers is about to come to end...........I hope :P

Bl4zer
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:30:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Mnereauris Monicsteaur
I hope Kali will burn your prices to the ground YARRRR!!


I don't think there is any doubt that Kali will make the prices of T2 stuff drop. I know of one corp that used to ignore R&D agents, but are now running them. Not in the vain hope of getting a BPO, but to build up a stock of RPs to buy Datacores.

Pestillence
Revelations Inc.
Shroud Of Darkness
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:32:00 - [40]
 

Heretics suck anyway.

Anyone that can fly a dictor can spend a bit of time to train for a decent one.

Razz

Khajit Smitty
Minmatar
MisFunk Inc.
Daisho Syndicate
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:32:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
FYI. Sam bought all of his T2 BPO's, he didn't win them.


Still a prime example of why the lottery sucks, limited availability!

My previous comments still stand!

Pestillence
Revelations Inc.
Shroud Of Darkness
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:32:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Khajit Smitty
toi-toi


South African?

Lasanna
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:33:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: SamtheDog

...offers me 9.5M (not realizing they cost nearly 7M to make)
...& it's like their god given right to buy it all BELOW cost.
Sam Mad



Yeah, I'd be ****ed if the "opening offer" was only 35% profit.Rolling EyesRolling Eyes

Your proof the T2 lotto was stupid to begin with.

Monopolies ALWAYS turn people into greedy dirtbags, happens everytime.


Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:40:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/10/2006 14:40:23

Do not cry about expensive T2 ships. If they are too pricey, do NOT buy them. Kali is coming. Invention and salvaging are coming.

Why T2 ships are expensive?
Arrow People buy at crazy prices. ISKs grow on trees.
Arrow No dynamic BPCs. Invention is coming.
Arrow Once it is popped, buy a new ship. No chance to loot. Salvaging is coming.

T2 Mods on the other hand are lootable. They are not totally lost unlike T2 ships. There is nothing wrong with limited T2 BPOs. Price hikes are because people keep buy PWN-mods and PWN-ships.

Khajit Smitty
Minmatar
MisFunk Inc.
Daisho Syndicate
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:41:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Pestillence
Originally by: Khajit Smitty
toi-toi


South African?


Hell yeah Very Happy

Asuna Endorine
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:41:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Tapas
Is it just me or did the OP just complain over a 35% profit margin and having a good amount of control over the whole market?!?!?!?!?!?!

You have enough to last you a few years because you have been bending over the eve community for the last year or 2 with your T2 prices (and not even buying them dinner). Get over yourself, 35% profit margin is good. Try making anything else in the game, if you have a 35% margin you are golden.

Oh wait, you are one of those spoiled T2 brats.

GOOOOOOOOOO T2 LOTTERY!!!!!!!!!!!!! Making aholes, one seed at a time!


you fail to take into account that the production on those things is about 12 hours mabey more.. 35% profit MARGIN yes, in total though, that makes under 5 mil isk profit per day for the bp, which, frankly, for the effort gathering the stuff takes, is very bad

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:42:00 - [47]
 

Of course, if you don't want to go through the bother of manufacturing, you could just sell BPCs. But that'd be sharing the good toys with the rest of the class Evil or Very Mad

Chalice Ghant
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:43:00 - [48]
 

Meh. seems there are arsewipes on both sides of the t2 fence.


Waldo McBiggs
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:44:00 - [49]
 

I can understand his frustration at the number of items to gather for producing T2 items and alot of people not realizing that time has to be paid for, much like freight charges on a new car.
But if you have that bpo, then do yourself a favor, if its a pain to gather stuff up, make bpcs in addition to actual ships, then you get a break from the whole tedium of logistics.

At least with the T2 bpos, a profit margin is guaranteed unless your logistics or business sense is impaired.

Silane Daktor
Malicious Intentions
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:46:00 - [50]
 

@ OP: Big deal.

I'll just carry on having fun in T1 ships. Whoop de doo.


Sahne MuhMuh
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:47:00 - [51]
 

Heretic?
Infiltrator II?
Rocket Launcher II?

Thatīs all stuff that nobody really wants so plz keep your blue toilet paper with you.
Looks like that you are some kind of ****ed off cause you got only the **** TechII BPOs.

Popsikle
Minmatar
Caffeine Commodities Company
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:52:00 - [52]
 

So wait, you made billions of isk, in a CCP lottery, and your *****ing about it?

Rolling Eyes

SamtheDog
Singularity.
Talon Alliance
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:52:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 14:52:39

darklegionca
Caldari
Dark Deliverance Holdings
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:54:00 - [54]
 

god today is funny thead day or somthing i havent stoped laughing since i have come online today

MrRookie
M. Corp
M. PIRE
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:57:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: SamtheDog
Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:59:36
Edited by: SamtheDog on 24/10/2006 13:47:06...& it's like their god given right to buy it all BELOW cost.


/me puts on his flame resistant suit


I think it's your god given right to exploit the market for the maximum profitt, not the other way arround. Ofcourse, assuming you are selling Vagabonds, Cerberus or other stupidly overprised ships or modules, if not, then I can't see any reason for this pointless rant.
A guy offers you a price for the Heretic which you could easily reject, but you decide to come on the forums and act big and scary and waste time whining about whiners.
I'm also sorry for all the effort you have to go through to make all the T2 stuff and aparently 30% profitt isn't nearly enough cover all the sweat and pain you suffered making them.
With the attitude you have I'm glad I don't fly interdicters and have to deal with pathetic greifers like yourself and contribute to your economy

R Dan
Infinite Improbability Inc
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:58:00 - [56]
 

right, I did write a post that addressed each of your "points" as much as you had them.

but then i realised what this is...its troll bait. just because your upset that someone offered you less than you wanted- 9.5million instead of 11million (for a ship that you say costs you 7).Rolling Eyes

well, tough, sell it. dont sell it. its up to you...but what I dont understand is why you brought this too the forums. wanting to feed your ego?Mad

PS I dont know who you are, what you sell, or what corp or alliance you are from. It could be my own alliance for all i care. It doesnt change the fact that this is a "knee-jerk" reaction because someone dared to offer you less than you wanted Rolling Eyes and others say that you charge too much...

I do understand what it takes to build these things - so dont bother to call me a noob or a whiner.
I also normally argue on the side of the T2 producers and their prices. because a large part of it is that they can sell all their goods at a particular price (so why would they lower it?)

PPS
Originally by: samthedog

So this guy convo's me asking for prices on heretics...offers me 9.5M (not realizing they cost nearly 7M to make).


and
Originally by: samthedog

...& it's like their god given right to buy it all BELOW cost.



dont add up...unless my maths is screwie.....
or you were exageratting?


actually. I'm now regretting getting started on this at all. this is obviously flame bait. and I've fallen for it Sad....
still, i hope someone gets something useful out of it.
-before it gets locked atleast.

Paddlefoot Aeon
SiN. Corp
Daisho Syndicate
Posted - 2006.10.24 14:59:00 - [57]
 

Don't forget that T2 market is not just buying and selling Items. All the moon minerals that are required for the T2 items need to be mined, and POSes need to make ISK equal to what they cost in fuel. If T2 stuff is not being made, the following will happen:

1. Supply will drive up the cost as demand remains constant.
2. T2 component prices will drop, as fewer T2 components are needed for the reduced production.
3. T2 component market will adjust, as supply will decrease to maintain a constant price in the face of less demand.
4. Moon mineral prices will drop, because people will want to sell what they produce.
5. Moon mining will not be profitable, and POSes will be offlined.
6. Ice prices will go down, as less demand with a constant supply will cause prices to decrease.
7. Mackinaw demand will decrease
8. Prices on Named T1 modules will sky-rocket

Now... after your strike ends...
1. Component Prices will be huge because people have stopped their reactions
2. ICE Prices will be huge, as people have gotten out of the mining business.

So... by going on strike, you are actually raising the cost of components down the line, which is going to increase your per-unit production cost.

Not to mention that if only certain alliances have T2 BPOs, there may be more war-decs, so that T2 modules may be slavaged from popped ships.

The T2 market has tendrils into many different aspects of the economy. While I don't like buying a Hulk at 450-500mil when I know it cost around 50mil to make, I understand the whole concept of supply and demand, and I deal with it. Some people complain, but they are the people would complain in they won the lottery, and the fake novelty cheque wasn't big enough.

By striking, you are hurting many more people than the whiners. Please consider this before you take any actions.

Thanks,
Paddlefoot Aeon



Norris Neophitus
Minmatar
Posted - 2006.10.24 15:00:00 - [58]
 

I love this thread its just great WAR is ON

i wont buy t2 if you wont produce and we'll see who gets rich and has more fun :P

1. Can you prevent you alliance members corp mates and so on reselling at an even bigger profit than you make now or are you gonna keep every t2 item you have and make?
2. What are you gonna do with your spare time in eve, didnt you become a manufacturer cause you enjoyed? If you didn't then why the hell are you manufacturing?
3. I think you may just be ****ing off your customers who probably are now purchasing from corps you dont get on so well with?
4. Are you just angry cause people dont think your the greatest businesman eve has ever seen cause your rich off a t2 bpo?


Kunming
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2006.10.24 15:02:00 - [59]
 

SamtheDog wins this years "Most ******ed Post" award.. congrats samtheDog pls tell us how you feel.. I hope you were not stupid enough to post this with your main!

storm2k5
Posted - 2006.10.24 15:04:00 - [60]
 

To the OP:

Thank you very much, you made my day. If you stop selling T2 to standard buyers, I will sell alot more at a higher price!

Thanks again!


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