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Nafres Maelstrom
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2003.10.22 02:47:00 - [1]
 

this week 4 of the main players in our corp have left eve.add to this one last week and a few the several weeks before.totaling maybe 7 in last month,for a smallish corp its getting impossible to maintain anything with the current state of eve.

Im at a loss as to how to convince anyone to stay and play the game,when theres basically nothing that is really fully featured in eve as of yet.between bugs,poorly deployed patchs,lack of any real customer support-because they dont have the tools to really do there job,half deployed features,lack of content,and other mmogs i totally understand why they left.i keep hangin on hopin theyll get it right eventually,gets harder to convince myself everyday.

Anyone else experiencing the corp attrition?


Civil Deity
Minmatar
Infinite Void
Posted - 2003.10.22 02:55:00 - [2]
 

a wise Minmatar once said:
"we are paying for beta right now, the game is not finished, a year or 18 months after release will be much much more like how the game was intended, at this time CCP will launch huge advertising campaigns and players will flood to the game, but for now CCP wants to keep it small, they want to work out the bugs, and the 30,000 that are paying great they get some income flowing in, they expect to lose some people the first year. Now as a player, you have to understand this, you treat the game like this is practice before the real release happens and your beta advantage is that your skill points and blueprints earned in that first year is going to give you a tremendous advantage."

I live and during bad times, direct my corp by these words. This isn't the final game, we are still many many moons away, but every day I play and every isk earned is one step ahead of the game i'm going to be when 10 to 20,000 people are on the server at the same time. It will come, believe me this game has the potential, just right now isn't that time. Those who stick around great lets have fun with the way the game isn't. THose who leave, have fun and i bet a good percentage of you will be back in a year and say damn i wish i was training over this year lost.

Vacuole
Gallente
Knights of Shadows
Posted - 2003.10.22 02:56:00 - [3]
 


Most of my corp has left Eve altogether. I'm waiting on my last day which is Dec 8th.

Right now I'm just goofing around, stirring-up trouble with the Stain boys, or whatever. They really hate it when you come into their precious little region, hehe.

I think it's the alliances more than Eve itself that is part of the problem though.

Ever since I've been active in CFS, I haven't much given my corp a second thought..

We've gone through 2 CEOs.. both just basically disppeared one day. And I really couldn't care less.

Oh well. I hope things pick up fast but I doubt they will.

In an illogical game where we have the technology to warp across the galaxy in a matter of minutes, transfer our minds into clones, etc.. but can't seem to grasp the technology for player-operated sentry guns or other means to actually protect a certain area, the game will remain way too fluid for any more real progress.

Jash Illian
Minmatar
Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.
Posted - 2003.10.22 03:06:00 - [4]
 

Quote:
a wise Minmatar once said:
"we are paying for beta right now, the game is not finished, a year or 18 months after release will be much much more like how the game was intended, at this time CCP will launch huge advertising campaigns and players will flood to the game, but for now CCP wants to keep it small, they want to work out the bugs, and the 30,000 that are paying great they get some income flowing in, they expect to lose some people the first year. Now as a player, you have to understand this, you treat the game like this is practice before the real release happens and your beta advantage is that your skill points and blueprints earned in that first year is going to give you a tremendous advantage."

I live and during bad times, direct my corp by these words. This isn't the final game, we are still many many moons away, but every day I play and every isk earned is one step ahead of the game i'm going to be when 10 to 20,000 people are on the server at the same time. It will come, believe me this game has the potential, just right now isn't that time. Those who stick around great lets have fun with the way the game isn't. THose who leave, have fun and i bet a good percentage of you will be back in a year and say damn i wish i was training over this year lost.


This was sarcasm, right? Do tell me it was sarcasm and I was just missing the humor. Shocked

Nafres Maelstrom
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2003.10.22 03:10:00 - [5]
 

CD that may be ccp tac on the game,but as a payin customer who bought the game expecting what was on the box,id say thats a load of crap.

CCP like any other game developer delivers a product to paying customers,when they dont deliver,the customers leave.

18 months from now when the game is ready,theyre wont be any interest,and no games on the shelves,and since eve has a hard time with box sales no retailer will restock.ex are bestbuy and others droppin eve like the dog that its become.

excuses only cut it for so long,ccp has overworn there use of excuses.


Sinsemillia
Caldari
Posted - 2003.10.22 03:45:00 - [6]
 

I sympathise with your current situation and would just like to say...

When you are the last person in your corp and you decide to quit, can i have your stuffQuestion

Amin
Posted - 2003.10.22 03:55:00 - [7]
 

Quote:
a wise Minmatar once said:
"we are paying for beta right now, the game is not finished, a year or 18 months after release will be much much more like how the game was intended, at this time CCP will launch huge advertising campaigns and players will flood to the game, but for now CCP wants to keep it small, they want to work out the bugs, and the 30,000 that are paying great they get some income flowing in, they expect to lose some people the first year. Now as a player, you have to understand this, you treat the game like this is practice before the real release happens and your beta advantage is that your skill points and blueprints earned in that first year is going to give you a tremendous advantage."

I live and during bad times, direct my corp by these words. This isn't the final game, we are still many many moons away, but every day I play and every isk earned is one step ahead of the game i'm going to be when 10 to 20,000 people are on the server at the same time. It will come, believe me this game has the potential, just right now isn't that time. Those who stick around great lets have fun with the way the game isn't. THose who leave, have fun and i bet a good percentage of you will be back in a year and say damn i wish i was training over this year lost.


I kind of agree with u but its unfortunate that so many good players will just get fed up of the game and leave.

Iv said it before, but ideally if ccp had started the storyline rolling a month or two earlier it would have kept ppl interest in Eve for a little longer. Maybe even long enough for them to roll out new content and fix a few major bugs. Shocked

Qandor
Posted - 2003.10.22 04:17:00 - [8]
 

The game has fallen flat on its face in so many areas that it is hard to imagine it surviving. The dreams everyone had way back when of how intriguing a game this would be have just not been realized. It is not just a matter of adding features at this point. The core game modules have shown themselves to have some very glaring holes in them and no amount of fidgeting is going to be able to correct the basic design. Under the current system is combat really interesting? Is trading interesting? Could the mission system be any more boring?

The funny thing is though, that instead of everyone being upset with CCP, most people have taken to blaming other segments of the player population for all the woes we are now experiencing. The pirates blame the "carebears" and the miners/traders blame the "griefers" as if to say if the other faction were to disappear everything would be fine and dandy and EVE would be just awesome.

Bottom line is we have all been sold a bill of goods with EVE. All those grandiose plans of stock markets, reverse engineering, dynamic player economy, empire building, bounty hunting, epic space warfare, etc. have been pretty much exposed as nothing more than a wish list. Sure they would all be great features but anyone can dream up stuff they would like to have in the game - that's easy. Getting it coded and in the game is quite a different story.


Kurtz
Minmatar
Eldorado Exploration Expedition
Posted - 2003.10.22 04:41:00 - [9]
 

This game like any other game has tides of attrition. People get bored, they peak out, they burn out, they find another game, or something in real life takes their attention. Attrition is to be expected, and hearing some of the attrition I relish, and there are some I would wish they would post up their flaming rhetoric, “I’m quitting” post.

Nothing is perfect. Flat out. There it is. CCP is doing their best, given that they are not a Mega Corporation of hundreds, but a small group working out of Iceland. Come on give them a break. What we are playing is a huge accomplishment, and we; the players provide the content and feedback. Bellyache away, with CCP whaaa whaaa. They listen and make decisions, and implement those decisions. The game becomes what we make it.

Eventually we will all burn out. It’s a matter of time; eventually this game will be no more. We will all have moved on. So, I say languish not in the mire, but relish what is there, while we have it. Post constructive commentary here. Somebody at CCP might read it, and maybe it gets in the game. The developers don’t play the game; so only what we tell them is what gives them the understanding of the environment.

The subscription fee is a bargain. Whine away, about your 12.95 a month. Mates, I spend that on lunch. 13 dollars is giving it away.


Flaloch
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.10.22 05:11:00 - [10]
 

It's all just life ...

Those that have been around this genre for a long time now, know this same cycle just repeats itself time and time again.

It will get worse and worse the more people who subscribe, because that's what happens.

The people who think any game company has not planned for this has sadly underestimated the intelligence of the business class.

I see this genre to be not much more than an online daycare facility.
How are you supposed to service the mature, and immature at the same time, with the same tools ?

I'm a classic - grew up dreaming of the time when games reached this level of complexity.
With the technology that is ever increasing, I'll still be in awe 10 years from now.

Each generation after will expect more and more, and they will never be satified. After all it is human nature.

The kids today will push technology further than us old folk will have ever thought possible. I see teens today who can program computers yet still cannot drive a car.

That is amazing, and that's where the money is.

Deal with it.


Outback
Posted - 2003.10.22 05:49:00 - [11]
 

to give some hope for all those real players out there! I love the game after 2 months of almost non stop playing i cant say anything but good things about it.. yeah the occasional CTD does happen downtime to be expected.. but come on all online games that make improvements or add on (especialy when its free) have some kind of trouble. So either stop playing or enjoy it for what it is and a lot of eve players need to grow up its a game and thiefs and pirates make it fun when they play nice Twisted EvilLaughingVery Happy

Jolo
Gallente
Posted - 2003.10.22 06:22:00 - [12]
 

we lost our CEO and about 5 other players. Oh well.....CCP seems to say in a few months we will see a story line and lots of stuff. Guess I'll have to wait.

Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2003.10.22 08:25:00 - [13]
 

The best is yet to come, I feel.

With the new hardware upgrades and a very nice patch coming up, I think Eve is steadily starting to grow.

By Christmas time this game is going to be 10 times better than it already is.

Trust me, I'm a doctor (of love).

Halo Jones
Caldari
Oberon Incorporated
Posted - 2003.10.22 08:49:00 - [14]
 

hmmm, my stalker hasn't been very stalky recently :/

anyway Joshua, I feel your views on the forthcoming patch may be a little over optimistic. I know refiners should apear, posibly cloaking, and the new basis of faction and agent structure - but still no fix on game mechanics unfortunately.

Still the loading of systems remains the same, thay have talked about a client server handshake to confirm all it loaded locally, but unfortuately they only talked about it, this has not been coded, and noone seems to be doing it either.

Multiple major (irritating rather than crashing) bugs have been reported on many occasions by the BH team, and are on the list, yet still these haven't been tackled.

My major worry is the new faction system, and how concord will interact with it. If 2 people set faction to utter hartred, are they allowed to fight anywhere? This hasn't been stated, and tbh won't be, no 'rules or guide' ever appears to be released with the patches, if there is new stuff... go figure it out yourself!

Anyway enough of my whining, if people are leaving they will, no point tying to convince them to stay really, all it does is prolong their agony, and only when enough leave will action on various things be taken dramatically, but I fear by then it may be too late(TM), rather than soon (TM).


Nicholas Marshal
Caldari
Lisa Needs Braces
Posted - 2003.10.22 08:52:00 - [15]
 

I've been in since retail release (UK). Still find the game just as compelling as the day I first loaded it up.

Probably one of the best games ever, imo.

Nafres Maelstrom
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2003.10.22 10:08:00 - [16]
 

from a corperate viewpiont its hard to maintain anything,and accrue more when we are losin our best and brightest thru attrition.

building the corp was the main objective,having fun doin so,well that has died with the lack of pertinent content to give this game functional depth.

eve has huge potential,but like anything else potential will only get you so far,if you dont start makin it a reality.

im no newb to this genre or online gaming,it just seems eve is very 2 dimensional in its reality,and with little hope in the near future to change that much.

content and delivery of that is the lifesblood of a mmog,problem was we started with so much not there,that catchup has rules the day.we need proactive content delivery,as apposed to this catch as catch can approach.

anyway,as for my stuff if i end up leavin....itll vanish into oblivion,or ill give it to friends

Aenedor
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2003.10.22 11:09:00 - [17]
 

There should be an influx of new players soon as people are quitting SWG in droves at the moment.

Saying that, if they can't handle SWG then they will have NO chance in Eve.

Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2003.10.22 11:20:00 - [18]
 

Halo,

I'm always optimistic.

I love that feeling of crushing disappointment after every patch Wink

McWatt
Caldari
Posted - 2003.10.22 11:24:00 - [19]
 

very difficult to keep members playing.

no hope for the next patch either. (no real problems being about to be solved)

sigh.

the answer is: NO.

Indira Firebrand
Caldari
Organized Disorder
Posted - 2003.10.22 11:27:00 - [20]
 

Quote:
I've been in since retail release (UK). Still find the game just as compelling as the day I first loaded it up.

Probably one of the best games ever, imo.


sorry to say but just another example of an easily entertained person.

JP Beauregard
Gallente
Pilkington Communications
Posted - 2003.10.22 11:28:00 - [21]
 

This game demands a lot of attention and effort, especially if your goals go beyond buying that cruiser, that battleship or any other stupid gadget. The logistics of running a company efficiently are my real challenge because there are real people involved - and damn, are we small.

Having said that: I come across a lot of people who join EVE to be entertained in that couch potato kind of way. Of course they'll burn out - and fast. I wouldn't blame the developers for creating a complex environment (with plenty of room for improvement and added complexity). One could perhaps blame them for creating an environment that is too complex to handle for most people - but that's CCP's economic gamble to take.

Consolidation is NOT a bad thing, really...

Lycanth
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2003.10.22 11:38:00 - [22]
 

12.95 a month. Mates, I spend that on lunch. 13 dollars is giving it away.


u spend 13 bucks on lunch? what the hell do u eat that costs 13 bucks just for lunchQuestionQuestionQuestion LOL
just my 1/3 cent....

Nicholas Marshal
Caldari
Lisa Needs Braces
Posted - 2003.10.22 11:45:00 - [23]
 

Ģ8 on lunch. Easy.

Lycanth
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2003.10.22 11:49:00 - [24]
 

Flippin eck thats $16 nz i spend bout $5 unless food cost a ****load over in tha uk then u r a pig!Twisted Evil

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2003.10.22 12:27:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 22/10/2003 12:31:23
Alliances being allowed to bottle up huge chunks of space without any response by NPCs claiming soveriengty there whatsoever is a part of the problem.

There's not really any mystique or excitement left when Serpentis Prime has been made into the Brownbird cakewalk route...

Just another example of CCP giving it all up on the first date. Cool

Vacuole
Gallente
Knights of Shadows
Posted - 2003.10.22 12:40:00 - [26]
 


Oh it isn't the money.. $12.95/month is a great deal.

I think the last reply hit it on the head when he said that about Serpentis Prime and the rest of the NPCs.

The hardest NPCs are pushovers, at best.

I went to that Serpent's Coil thing -- it was touted as "very dangerous", etc. Talk about a bunch of frigate serp pushovers... the largest dual-spawns of 50k NPC pirates in the deepest belts -- they can all be show down while just sitting still and not thinking twice about it.

And what are they all doing out there in the middle of those belts, anyway? They ain't pirates! They're belt protectors! :)


MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2003.10.22 12:53:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 22/10/2003 12:57:04
After summer holiday in germany this year we had like a huge 'departure' with many of those that went to holiday not returning to the game ever. Right now itīs also becoming harder and harder to keep people playing as pretty much all of them are getting more and more bored. In my corp we pretty much solved that problem as we cut our memberbase down to those who will definately stay.

Now I hear that instead of focusing on the really important things like deployables and other stuff so people can finally claim anything to make space a place worthwhile they come up with some standing system.
Who needs a damn standing system really?? I need something to build, something to anchor in space and set up my damn flag over it so I have something to fight for and so others have a real target. I need better scanning equipment to track people, I need a working corptax, things like that.

Personally I will probably never leave the game as I find it very entertaining and itīs the only game I play at the moment that actually is any fun. That pretty much comes from the things happening in the game. Itīs just cool to log in and having to face new threats and events every day. But unfortunately there are many others who arenīt as patient and if CCP donīt start focusing on the important stuff Iīm afraid many more will leave. Standing-Systems may be nice but they just donīt cut it. Honestly I donīt think there are many people who come up like: "OMG OMG a new standing system oh yeah so nice!!"... rather the opposite. Agents also get improves... oh wow... I never used agents and probably never will cause Iīm here to play with/against people not damn NPCs.

So I hope that apart from these things there will be other nice improvements with next patch cause otherwise Iīd be pretty damn disappointed. So all I can say at this time is that CCP needs to get moving and actually implement real features that are worth all the bugs they introduce along with them.

slothe
Caldari
Jian Products Engineering Group
Atlas.
Posted - 2003.10.22 12:54:00 - [28]
 

i see people leaving too.
usually because this wasnt there type of game or for personal reasons.cant stop them can we.

some leave because they get bored. i can understand this but there are always interesting things to do if you try hard enough.

i was bored the other day so ended up taunting pirates in fd in a kestrel. was fun. i blew up moo in a bestower and ended up podkilling a pirate.

people will always come and go cest la vie..

personally i still love this game as much as the first day i got it.

var'ulfur
Caldari
blackwater
Posted - 2003.10.22 13:00:00 - [29]
 

well on the week ends i see numbers at over 5k and it seems to keep rising so either people are starting the game and not playingRolling Eyes or more like it some people real like this game .

Nicholas Marshal
Caldari
Lisa Needs Braces
Posted - 2003.10.22 13:03:00 - [30]
 

I love this game. Never leaving.


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