open All Channels
seplocked EVE General Discussion
blankseplocked How to Destroy ISK Sellers
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Pages: 1 [2]

Author Topic

Mikey Monkfish
Posted - 2006.09.07 07:53:00 - [31]
 

I had a couple of Eve mails last week, both offering me ISK for cash. Something like "100mil ISK for just $14.95!" (Damn, I sound like a salesman)

I just ignored the emails, but I kept them so I have their names. You see, my plan is simple. When I find them, I shall blow their ships to itty bitty peices, thus putting them off from spamming mine (and probably everyone elses) mailbox. Laughing

If everyone did this, they'd soon get the idea. Wink

Baldour Ngarr
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2006.09.07 09:21:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Rina Shanu
The best way to stop isk selling and character selling out of game, by illegal means and stuff is by

determining people NOT to buy them

.

Find a way to stop people from buying and you soloved the problem.




True, but flat-out impossible. We've been working on that angle in the IRL drugs trade for a hundred years; it does not work. The USA tried it on alcohol in the 1920s; it didn't work then either. And it won't work on ISK sales. If there's a demand, there WILL be a supply.

Andro'mida
Posted - 2006.09.07 09:51:00 - [33]
 

get rid of trial accounts that should make things a little harder for them, when i started eve i paid straight up, 10 to try a game for 1 month seems pretty reasonable to me

Pestillence
Revelations Inc.
Shroud Of Darkness
Posted - 2006.09.07 10:14:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Mikey Monkfish
I had a couple of Eve mails last week, both offering me ISK for cash. Something like "100mil ISK for just $14.95!" (Damn, I sound like a salesman)

I just ignored the emails, but I kept them so I have their names. You see, my plan is simple. When I find them, I shall blow their ships to itty bitty peices, thus putting them off from spamming mine (and probably everyone elses) mailbox. Laughing

If everyone did this, they'd soon get the idea. Wink


Except they have already run through another 20 trial accounts since they spammed you.

-IF they hadnt changed trial accounts what are your chances of finding them in space? They dont fly around for a living do they?
-Are you going to highsec suicide what will probably be a shuttle should you find them in space?

Your plan is stupid, not simple.


Iyanah
Minmatar
Tuikoax
Posted - 2006.09.07 10:41:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Skyles Kragan
14 Day Trial Players:

- Must be on someone's buddy list in order to start a conversation with them

- Cannot trade with other players

- Cannot be invited into Corporations

- Cannot create a Corporation or assist in the creation of a Corporation

- Cannot purchase items from the market or from escrow

- Cannot list items for sale on the market

- Cannot send or receive eve-mail

- Cannot talk in chat channels

I took this from today's patch notes from Sony's EQ2 and modified it to be closer to Eve. Probably wouldn't all work but I think Sony's got a good thing going with this.




...sooo... to shorten this down:

"can't play the game"?

alright, so the no corp, no direct player to player trade, fine, but allow them to use the market, and you need to talk in order to get help, in order to make friends. we have two people on trial at the moment who may be invited ot our corp once they get a full account, because they talked to us, they played the game along side us, and they seem alright,

and sending eve mail is part of the tutorial, so removing that ability is rather stupid too.

RazorDreamz
Caldari
Chaotic dynamics
Posted - 2006.09.07 12:38:00 - [36]
 

Please do you really believe that you can stop it? Face it, the secondary markets are here to stay. You could make it harder to trade isk, but at the end of the day there will always be a way to do it, because it is too hard to seperate farmers from the general population.

Siri Blue
Gallente
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Phalanx Alliance
Posted - 2006.09.07 12:49:00 - [37]
 

Cut the trial period down to 20 hours playing time.
After 20 hours every normal player knows whether he likes a game enough to buy it or not.
This way you reduce the number of stupid alt accounts too hopefully.

FFGR
Maza Nostra
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.09.07 13:06:00 - [38]
 

The OP forgot 2 things :

- If you undock, you die

- You can't train skills

Death Kill
Caldari
SolaR KillerS
UN1CUM
Posted - 2006.09.07 13:48:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: RazorDreamz
You could make it harder to trade isk, but at the end of the day there will always be a way to do it, because it is too hard to seperate farmers from the general population.


LOL!

When you see 10 guys in local , all created at the same day, all of them in npc corp, all of them mining and hauling non stop, all of them having names such as xiuo1243 you know they are farmers.




Baldour Ngarr
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2006.09.07 13:53:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Death Kill
Originally by: RazorDreamz
You could make it harder to trade isk, but at the end of the day there will always be a way to do it, because it is too hard to seperate farmers from the general population.


LOL!

When you see 10 guys in local , all created at the same day, all of them in npc corp, all of them mining and hauling non stop, all of them having names such as xiuo1243 you know they are farmers.


Take that argument to a court of law and see who's laughing then. It won't be you.


I've never really understood why CCP insist on a court-of-law burden of proof for farmer, but they do. And what you say above, doesn't cut it.

Death Kill
Caldari
SolaR KillerS
UN1CUM
Posted - 2006.09.07 14:00:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Death Kill on 07/09/2006 14:01:10

Originally by: Baldour Ngarr


Take that argument to a court of law and see who's laughing then. It won't be you.



Laughing

Court of law? Incase you didnt notice this is a game and the EULA says you only 'rent' your account and if CCP decides for whatever reason to close it, then tough luck for you.

Theres not a god damn thing you can do about it.



Wayback
Cosmic Odyssey
YouWhat
Posted - 2006.09.07 14:15:00 - [42]
 

To be honest I'd like to see trial accounts removed all togeather. The ultimate reason for trial accounts is to up the subs to EVE. From what I've seen recently this isn't to much of an issue anymore as we are seeing some massive influx of players from other games and dealing with server "growing pains" as it is.

Trial accounts have "exploit" stamped all over them just like multipal chars. per account. If you can't be troubled to pay to play a game or to try it out then to bad. There is a ton of stuff in this world you have to pay to try, no free rides to check it out, and this should be one of them.

CCP tryed to be nice and offer a service to its playerbase but the player base, being human, decided they would rather use this feature to molest/tamper/make RL $$/scam instead of its intended use.

Time to jetcan the trials and hose the multipal char per account while were at it, make people take responsibility for their actions.


That is all


Ozawi
Minmatar
Posted - 2006.09.07 14:29:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Ozawi on 07/09/2006 14:29:56
Maybe it's possible to have a discounted first month or somesuch.

Instead of a free trial, it'd be $4.95 for the first month. I don't see that being an unfair amount to try a game for 30 days, and the ISK sellers wouldn't be dumping $4.95 twenty times per day making new accounts to spam their services.

I personally just bought a new account paid up front to try EVE. If I can justify going out to the movies and paying $12 USD not knowing if the movie is going to be good or completely suck, I could drop $4.95 for the first month of a game to try it out.

And if you can afford a computer that'll run EVE and a good link (really, who uses dialup anymore?) - that $4.95 won't cause the sun to not rise, and make for your own personal Black Monday.


Plutoinum
Mercenaries of Andosia
Veritas Immortalis
Posted - 2006.09.07 14:35:00 - [44]
 

Too restrictive. Newbies need access to the market and the ability to convo other mates and use channels, otherwise they won't enjoy the trial much.

jbob2000
Gallente
Degenerate...
Posted - 2006.09.07 15:04:00 - [45]
 

Why not just put one of those randomly generated, hard to read, picture of numbers on the trial signup page so a macro cant sign them up?

Saibotek
Posted - 2006.09.07 15:16:00 - [46]
 

If CCP truly wanted to stop isk sales Ebay has resources for that. ShockedEbay Vero

Siri Blue
Gallente
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Phalanx Alliance
Posted - 2006.09.07 15:22:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Ozawi
Edited by: Ozawi on 07/09/2006 14:29:56
Maybe it's possible to have a discounted first month or somesuch.

Instead of a free trial, it'd be $4.95 for the first month. I don't see that being an unfair amount to try a game for 30 days, and the ISK sellers wouldn't be dumping $4.95 twenty times per day making new accounts to spam their services.

I personally just bought a new account paid up front to try EVE. If I can justify going out to the movies and paying $12 USD not knowing if the movie is going to be good or completely suck, I could drop $4.95 for the first month of a game to try it out.

And if you can afford a computer that'll run EVE and a good link (really, who uses dialup anymore?) - that $4.95 won't cause the sun to not rise, and make for your own personal Black Monday.





Really good idea

Baldour Ngarr
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2006.09.07 15:23:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Death Kill
Edited by: Death Kill on 07/09/2006 14:01:10

Originally by: Baldour Ngarr


Take that argument to a court of law and see who's laughing then. It won't be you.



Laughing

Court of law? Incase you didnt notice this is a game and the EULA says you only 'rent' your account and if CCP decides for whatever reason to close it, then tough luck for you.

Theres not a god damn thing you can do about it.





*sigh*

Someone else who can't read. Take a look at the rest of my post, why don'tcha. Rolling Eyes

Death Kill
Caldari
SolaR KillerS
UN1CUM
Posted - 2006.09.07 15:28:00 - [49]
 

lol scandalous Embarassed

Alski
Ministers Of Destruction.
Posted - 2006.09.07 18:17:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Alski on 07/09/2006 18:18:52
- Cannot be invited into Corporations
i should have just stoped reading right there, i joined my corp on my 3rd day, probaley would have gotten bored and quit if i hadent, not to mention i would never have met the great bunch of peeps i fly with today.

- Must be on someone's buddy list in order to start a conversation with them
Wrong Exclamation why not just make eve a single player game while your at it

- Cannot trade with other players
Wrong Exclamation would break so many aspect i'm not even gonna start...

- Cannot be invited into Corporations
Wrong Exclamation see above

- Cannot create a Corporation or assist in the creation of a Corporation
uhhh... why? macroers and isk sellers enjoy being in noob corps as they cant be war-dec'd.

- Cannot purchase items from the market or from escrow
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG ExclamationExclamation

- Cannot list items for sale on the market
allow me to be the first to say....
w....t....f....Exclamation

- Cannot send or receive eve-mail
weekley limit would surfice perhaps?

- Cannot talk in chat channels
ShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShocked

I vote this thread gets locked as the massive flamebait it is


EDIT: i hope your in an Alliance.... i am gonna hunt you down for this Laughing

Halet Cu
Posted - 2006.09.07 18:58:00 - [51]
 

To be honest it will be next to impossible to stop these people. I just read that in China, people have set up whole companies that hire folks to farm MMORPGs so they can sell the isk/gold/ for real cash.

That said it would be easy to direct all your anger at the lowly isk farmer however, there would be no MMORPG farmers anywhere if there wasn't a large number of people willing to pay real money to get make believe money. So I guess my point is that the real problem is not the farmers but people who buy from them.

We have found the enemy and he is us.Embarassed

Verizana
Minmatar
Posted - 2006.09.07 19:23:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Arron S
Edited by: Arron S on 07/09/2006 01:27:16
Edited by: Arron S on 07/09/2006 01:25:17
Don't buy isk?,

You can also set your spam charge thing to an insane amount if your not running any gangs or somthing. like 1 billion ISK!

And don't hang out in high sec empire!


top is 100k -.-

Gift
Amarr
Loot
Pirate Coalition
Posted - 2006.09.07 19:31:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Rina Shanu

determining people NOT to buy them

.

That Never Works.


Kryss Darkdust
Posted - 2006.09.07 19:44:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Skyles Kragan
14 Day Trial Players:

- Must be on someone's buddy list in order to start a conversation with them

- Cannot trade with other players

- Cannot be invited into Corporations

- Cannot create a Corporation or assist in the creation of a Corporation

- Cannot purchase items from the market or from escrow

- Cannot list items for sale on the market

- Cannot send or receive eve-mail

- Cannot talk in chat channels

I took this from today's patch notes from Sony's EQ2 and modified it to be closer to Eve. Probably wouldn't all work but I think Sony's got a good thing going with this.




ISK sellers aren't the problem, they are opertunists and exist only because there are ISK buyers. Its the ISK buyers that should be the targets, not the sellers.

Sodhammer
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.09.07 20:07:00 - [55]
 

CCP could always try a few tactics, some of them would have to be covert to prevent people from figureing out work arounds.

An example

user1 signs in and makes a spam about selling, ccp finds out about it (petition or a GM hears it direct). By reviewing the logs (which could be fully automated), CCP determines that user1 used IP x.x.x.x. They also determined that in that 2 hours period, 50 other people were logged in at that same IP (the macro farm team, plus the real long term accounts that hold the isk). Or they could have every eve client generate (and keep local) a hidden random serial number. Then number would allow CCP to determine all the accounts that logged in at the same client.

At this point, they have the alts and primaries of the whole operation, ban or penalize as appropriate.

This is just one possible solution. The point is, if CCP really wants to commit some resouces to fight the problem, they could reduce it.

The problem would never really go away though. You could put some scammers out of business, but there will always be someone that thinks they can pull it off and will start

Sare Chaeris
Posted - 2006.09.09 00:01:00 - [56]
 

Why not restrict trial players to the test server?

DemonStar Supernova
Red in Tooth and Claw
Posted - 2006.09.09 02:03:00 - [57]
 

"How to destroy ISK Sellers" - Target, fire. Did I just win eve?


Pages: 1 [2]

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only