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Amarraion
Xze0n
Posted - 2006.09.05 17:54:00 - [1]
 

Every time i hear people talking about ther intys its always a crow and how they have pimped it with gist implants and ts or db scrams.
i fly an ares and a ranis and the would be no way in hell id put a 200mill fitting on it! or any other ceptor

Jim McGregor
Posted - 2006.09.05 17:56:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Jim McGregor on 05/09/2006 17:57:24

I read that as Claw for some reason... so.. never mind. :)

AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
Druuge Crimson Corporation
Posted - 2006.09.05 18:02:00 - [3]
 

when you see a crow moveing at over 9k m/s you want one. Razz

Tribunal
FIRMA
Posted - 2006.09.05 18:02:00 - [4]
 

Crow is a caladri ship.

Why do people pimp it out so? With 3 missile launchers points it is hands down one of, if not the best, interceptor.

Aakron
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.09.05 18:06:00 - [5]
 

because as soon as you make an inty go really ..REALLY fast, then tracking plays into the issue....and yes those caldari weapons dont need tracking

Thesper
StateCorp
The State
Posted - 2006.09.05 18:08:00 - [6]
 

Pimping modules generally come in 2 types: speed and tank. There are others, like ecm and weapons, but they're not used nearly as much.

Spending serious cash to faction tank an inty is obviously a bit of a waste, since anything cruiser sized or above will probably kill you anyway. Speed is basically the only way, especially since it's the inties primary means of survival, like the tank is to the average pimped battleship.

Problem is, once you're going a million miles a second, you can't hit anything....except with missiles.

Long answer short, speed is the only thing worth pimping on an inty, crow ignores speed penalties (tracking) best, therefore most pimped inties are crows.

Red Knight
Gallente
The Royal Guard
Posted - 2006.09.05 18:43:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Thesper
Pimping modules generally come in 2 types: speed and tank. There are others, like ecm and weapons, but they're not used nearly as much.

Spending serious cash to faction tank an inty is obviously a bit of a waste, since anything cruiser sized or above will probably kill you anyway. Speed is basically the only way, especially since it's the inties primary means of survival, like the tank is to the average pimped battleship.

Problem is, once you're going a million miles a second, you can't hit anything....except with missiles.

Long answer short, speed is the only thing worth pimping on an inty, crow ignores speed penalties (tracking) best, therefore most pimped inties are crows.


That is a perfectly thought out and explained response. Your forum-foo is strong.

To the OP: I agree, pimpin' out small ships is a huge waste of isk unless you have billions in the bank. One time a guy in my corp had a pimped stealth bomber, and he was lobbing torps at me and messing with his 30k warp scrammer when some NPCs spawned. I had sentry drones out and... somehow, they blew up his bomber. (one or two hitted him no less!) Moral of the story: expensive mods in small delicate ships are about the same level as investing in faction mods for an Ibis. Wink

Altai Saker
Rapier Innovations
Posted - 2006.09.05 18:48:00 - [8]
 

the thing about pimping out a crow to go 8kms+ (not hard, just need the implants) is that you should actually never die... So, wheres the waste their?

Blind Man
Caldari
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2006.09.05 18:52:00 - [9]
 

jammed by an absolution owned Laughing

Cohkka
Celestial Apocalypse
death from above..
Posted - 2006.09.05 18:54:00 - [10]
 

Pimping out a Crow isn't a waste of isk, if you literly can't loose a 1on1 against anything and are pretty much untouchable. And unless lag plays a major part there is no way a skilled pilot is gonna loose his implants flying a crow.

That said, nerf pirate implants...Razz

dalman
TunDraGon
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.09.05 19:19:00 - [11]
 

As said, it's down to 'insane' speed and range combined with missiles, that don't suffer from tracking and optimal/falloff.

Basicly, only way to pimp a non-crow ceptor would be with a halo set - which doesn't offer anything close to what the snake-crow does.

Maya Rkell
Third Grade Ergonomics
Posted - 2006.09.05 19:50:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Maya Rkell on 05/09/2006 19:50:10
Originally by: Cohkka
Pimping out a Crow isn't a waste of isk, if you literly can't loose a 1on1 against anything


Yes, you come into my range thinking that :P

And dalman, I disagree. Invulnra-ceptors with very low sig radii... *shudders*

Slan Traveller
Tri Optimum
Ev0ke
Posted - 2006.09.05 20:00:00 - [13]
 

It's the only Interceptor that can effectively fight at the speeds that are attainable with implants and gang assist.

(Due to the wonderful eve physics that add your own velocity to the enemies transversal and thus kill gun tracking. If the Crows velocity would be added to the targets velocity when computing damage sustained through missile explosion velocity you'd be about equally nerfed <wink>.)

Damien Crow
Finis Lumen
Posted - 2006.09.05 20:06:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Red Knight
Originally by: Thesper
Pimping modules generally come in 2 types: speed and tank. There are others, like ecm and weapons, but they're not used nearly as much.

Spending serious cash to faction tank an inty is obviously a bit of a waste, since anything cruiser sized or above will probably kill you anyway. Speed is basically the only way, especially since it's the inties primary means of survival, like the tank is to the average pimped battleship.

Problem is, once you're going a million miles a second, you can't hit anything....except with missiles.

Long answer short, speed is the only thing worth pimping on an inty, crow ignores speed penalties (tracking) best, therefore most pimped inties are crows.


That is a perfectly thought out and explained response. Your forum-foo is strong.

To the OP: I agree, pimpin' out small ships is a huge waste of isk unless you have billions in the bank. One time a guy in my corp had a pimped stealth bomber, and he was lobbing torps at me and messing with his 30k warp scrammer when some NPCs spawned. I had sentry drones out and... somehow, they blew up his bomber. (one or two hitted him no less!) Moral of the story: expensive mods in small delicate ships are about the same level as investing in faction mods for an Ibis. Wink


Great responses! Thank you much for clearing this up. I personally like to go against the flow and use the Stiletto and the Taranis more than any other. They serve their purposes.

inSpirAcy
The Solopwnmobiles
Asomat Drive Yards
Posted - 2006.09.05 20:18:00 - [15]
 

I'll leave this with a nerfing thought, because they're always fun: bring firing ship speed into play when doing the explosion speed damage reduction computation.

The Crow is one of the few ships that spits out missiles above their natural speed, and it's very powerful for it. Wink

Cohkka
Celestial Apocalypse
death from above..
Posted - 2006.09.05 20:28:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Maya Rkell
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 05/09/2006 19:50:10
Originally by: Cohkka
Pimping out a Crow isn't a waste of isk, if you literly can't loose a 1on1 against anything


Yes, you come into my range thinking that :P


Why should the crow choose to get into your range?Smile Of course an outpimped AC Claw can beat such a Crow, considering the lights will do way too little damage if it doesn't web the Claw. But you can always choose to not fight, and my pod would be safe, still...Wink

Byzan Zwyth
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2006.09.05 21:04:00 - [17]
 

sounds like a nerf waiting to happen

Korovyov
Cool Story Bro
Posted - 2006.09.05 21:18:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Byzan Zwyth
sounds like a nerf waiting to happen


Crow has been the interceptor "favorite" since... well... before August 2004, I know that much.

Personally I'm going for a Raptor, just because I'm messed in the head (and they're dirt cheap compared to a crow).

kublai
Guillotine Therapy
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2006.09.06 08:11:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Korovyov
Originally by: Byzan Zwyth
sounds like a nerf waiting to happen


Crow has been the interceptor "favorite" since... well... before August 2004, I know that much.

Personally I'm going for a Raptor, just because I'm messed in the head (and they're dirt cheap compared to a crow).


I have a raptor, nano's tech II mwd etc...I use it to transport my pod between ships and ops, they really make for great shuttles you know.

MOS DEF
0utbreak
Posted - 2006.09.06 08:32:00 - [20]
 

It's simple the only ship that can be pimped for speed and still hit as long it's in missile range. What good is a ranis going so fast? Can't hit crap.

Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Merciless.
Posted - 2006.09.06 09:15:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: MOS DEF
It's simple the only ship that can be pimped for speed and still hit as long it's in missile range. What good is a ranis going so fast? Can't hit crap.


but it's easier for a blasterranis to get fast longrange ceptors (if they are not pimped) into webrange Twisted Evil

Spanker
Bermuda Syndrome Industries
Posted - 2006.09.06 11:46:00 - [22]
 

Please enlighten me on this crow business. All things being equal with implants and named mods, for pure speed crusaders must be faster because of the lowslots right? Or even the minmatar one that's lighter than the crusader? Never understood what you people are on about with specifically the crow being fast tbh

dalman
TunDraGon
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.09.06 11:49:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Spanker
Please enlighten me on this crow business. All things being equal with implants and named mods, for pure speed crusaders must be faster because of the lowslots right? Or even the minmatar one that's lighter than the crusader? Never understood what you people are on about with specifically the crow being fast tbh

But a turret based interceptor can not hit the target when going at such high speeds - which the missile based crow can.
- Hence such speed is "completely" useless on other interceptors.

Sandra Tseng
Silentia Mortalis
Curse Alliance
Posted - 2006.09.06 11:56:00 - [24]
 

Ares has two missile launcehr slots ;]


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Scordite
Posted - 2006.09.06 12:01:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Slan Traveller
(Due to the wonderful eve physics that add your own velocity to the enemies transversal and thus kill gun tracking. If the Crows velocity would be added to the targets velocity when computing damage sustained through missile explosion velocity you'd be about equally nerfed <wink>.)


Bring other ceptors up to crow standard instead of nerfing crow. Deduct own speed from target speed for transversal purposes on turret ceptors (hello crusader!) Razz

Spanker
Bermuda Syndrome Industries
Posted - 2006.09.06 12:03:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Spanker on 06/09/2006 12:29:47

Originally by: dalman
Originally by: Spanker
Please enlighten me on this crow business. All things being equal with implants and named mods, for pure speed crusaders must be faster because of the lowslots right? Or even the minmatar one that's lighter than the crusader? Never understood what you people are on about with specifically the crow being fast tbh

But a turret based interceptor can not hit the target when going at such high speeds - which the missile based crow can.
- Hence such speed is "completely" useless on other interceptors.



Yeah I read some of the thread now and people are apparently discussing ceptors which not only are fast but can actually be used for something :) I still like fast crusaders for ultra fast tackling though.

EDIT
And I'd like to see a crow get away from a crusader with 4 nanos and a webber. It'll be in your face like water when you fall over with a wakeboard and then you'll be going "but I had 3 launchers :(" and I'll fly off and lol!!

Reincarnator
Knights of Apathy
Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
Posted - 2006.09.06 12:57:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Spanker
Edited by: Spanker on 06/09/2006 12:29:47

Originally by: dalman
Originally by: Spanker
Please enlighten me on this crow business. All things being equal with implants and named mods, for pure speed crusaders must be faster because of the lowslots right? Or even the minmatar one that's lighter than the crusader? Never understood what you people are on about with specifically the crow being fast tbh

But a turret based interceptor can not hit the target when going at such high speeds - which the missile based crow can.
- Hence such speed is "completely" useless on other interceptors.



Yeah I read some of the thread now and people are apparently discussing ceptors which not only are fast but can actually be used for something :) I still like fast crusaders for ultra fast tackling though.

EDIT
And I'd like to see a crow get away from a crusader with 4 nanos and a webber. It'll be in your face like water when you fall over with a wakeboard and then you'll be going "but I had 3 launchers :(" and I'll fly off and lol!!

You use a 'sader for tackling?!Shocked

Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Merciless.
Posted - 2006.09.06 13:00:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Maya Rkell
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 05/09/2006 19:50:10
Originally by: Cohkka
Pimping out a Crow isn't a waste of isk, if you literly can't loose a 1on1 against anything


Yes, you come into my range thinking that :P

And dalman, I disagree. Invulnra-ceptors with very low sig radii... *shudders*


when rigs hit the server it might be funny (or not) ... halo set + speed enhancing rigs *drool*

Mable
THE GRAIL SEEKER5
Posted - 2006.09.06 13:10:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Aakron
because as soon as you make an inty go really ..REALLY fast, then tracking plays into the issue....and yes those caldari weapons dont need tracking


Did you try to fire a missile to a ship moving with 5km/s? The missiles don't need tracking, that's right, But the missiles do damage at around 0.1Damage per hit. How long would you takt to kill 100Shield? Right, 1k of missiles. If a small ship moves to you direct way you kill it with one or two volley out of medium guns, with missiles it doesn't matter if he flies directly to you or transversal, you do no damage.
And if a Crow can go with 9km/s a Claw or Crusader can go for 10 - 12km/s

EvilNate
Caldari
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2006.09.06 13:16:00 - [30]
 

imho, crow is good vs other ceptors and industrial ships or VERY badly tanked cruisers. I'd much rather be flying a crusader


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