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newfaceok
Posted - 2006.08.27 06:11:00 - [1]
 

I'm trying to fit my raven for a solid general-PVP setup, but I'm finding it difficult to handle the wide variety of assaults that I'm faced with.

my last setup was a 6 T2 siege launcher (javelin torp), 1 gisti xl booster, 1 dg invuln, 1 t2 kin/therm amp, 1 cap booster, and 1 boost amp, with 2 t2 bcu and 2 t2 pdu, 1 internal damage control...

I fought a recon ship, and owned him. Some other guy warps in, I didnt check what kind of ship he was in and due to server lag I didnt recieve killmail. Basically he did no damage to me, but kept me jammed long enough (7+ min) to slowly nos me down. I occasionally got a volley off at him and had him into 50% armor, but that means little since I don't think he was even boosting. His friend was using drones and nos on me and I never had a chance to target. They were both obviously smaller ships (cruisers likely) because of how long it took them to kill me... they were older players, and they simply knew the mechanics well enough to beat me using inferior ships. So how exactly is one supposed to simultaneously tank, deal solid enough dps to break a solid tank, prevent being jammed (or jam back), and deal with drones? Ideally I'd have a mwd to distance myself from nos and jams, i'd have a jammer myself, or jammer drones, to prevent perma-jam, smartbombs to kill drones, nos to handle tanking versus smaller nos ships, and then still be able to tank well and deal good dps. On top of all that, purely defensive stuff, I'd like a scrambler and a webber so that not everything escapes me with ease. Maybe a target painter to kill small peeps. Obviously, its not possible. Every setup I try seems like it has a gaping weakness in at least one area. I'm sure nos-doms would **** me, obviously EW owns me.. I'm still very new to pvp and I'm wondering if anyone can help me find a good raven pvp setup.

Thanks

Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
Coreli Corporation
Naraka.
Posted - 2006.08.27 07:42:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 27/08/2006 07:43:30
HIGH-SLOTS :
~~~~~~~~~~~~
> [1250 | 38] 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
> [1250 | 38] 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
> [1250 | 38] 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
> [1250 | 38] 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
> [1250 | 38] 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
> [1250 | 38] 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
> [ 80 | 84] Medium 'Atonement' I Ward Projector
> [ 80 | 84] Medium 'Atonement' I Ward Projector


MED-SLOTS :
~~~~~~~~~~~
> [ 1 | 10] Sensor Booster II
> [ 150 | 25] True Sansha Medium Capacitor Booster
> [ 1 | 55] ECM - Multispectral Jammer II
> [ 1 | 55] ECM - Multispectral Jammer II
> [ 1 | 55] ECM - Multispectral Jammer II
> [ 1 | 55] ECM - Multispectral Jammer II


LOW-SLOTS :
~~~~~~~~~~~
> [2300 | 55] Large Armor Repairer II
> [ 500 | 28] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
> [ 2 | 30] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
> [ 2 | 30] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
> [ 1 | 17] Internal Force Field Array I

5 Medium Shield Transport Drones, 5 t2 Warriors

Don't blame me for the armor tanking goodness... blame the opportunity cost of ECM vs Shield tanking. You shouldn't be solo in a BS trying to tackle, especially in a raven. If you want something like that then your in the wrong race.

LUKEC
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.27 08:08:00 - [3]
 

6x estamel's siege, 2x med corpum nosf
gist xl booster, pith amp, dg invul x2, injector, scram
3x dg bcu, officer cpu, dmg control(or pdu, i don't remember exactly)

Oh and post with your main so we can test your setup sometime.

Oh ... and welcome to world of stabs and jammers, also known as eve online pvp.

kurenai
Posted - 2006.08.27 12:06:00 - [4]
 

1 x rattlesnake

6 x estamel's modified siege launcher
2 x chelm's modified large nosferatu

1 x estamel's modified XL shield booster
2 x estamel's modified invulnerability field
1 x conjunctive gravimetric eccm
1 x chelm's modified cap recharger
1 x estamel's modified shield boost amplifier

1 x estamel's modified co-processor
2 x chelm's modified power diagnostic system
1 x warded gravimetric backup cluster
2 x estamel's modified balistic control system

sorry but your ammo will disappear very quickly

Laboratus
Gallente
Invicta.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2006.08.27 13:55:00 - [5]
 

One of the great things in eve is:
You can't prepare for everything!

You only have a N amount of slots and different options and thus can't do everything with just one ship, solo.

Your previous setup was excelent for damage output /tanking abilities.
However, it had a weakness to EW. You can try to get around this, by fittin ECCM and for example, ECM mods, or just ECM bursts. Or just carry a load of 5 t2 medium drones and F.O.F missiles in your cargo. As you got the guy to 50% armour, he would have had to warp, if you had continued to pound him with drones and FOFs continuesly...

Or you can utilise those mid slots for some serious EW and armour tank...


End Yourself
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2006.08.27 14:02:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Laboratus
One of the great things in eve is:
You can't prepare for everything!

You only have a N amount of slots and different options and thus can't do everything with just one ship, solo.

Your previous setup was excelent for damage output /tanking abilities.
However, it had a weakness to EW. You can try to get around this, by fittin ECCM and for example, ECM mods, or just ECM bursts. Or just carry a load of 5 t2 medium drones and F.O.F missiles in your cargo. As you got the guy to 50% armour, he would have had to warp, if you had continued to pound him with drones and FOFs continuesly...

Or you can utilise those mid slots for some serious EW and armour tank...


fof torpedos 4tw! Razz

inSpirAcy
The Solopwnmobiles
Asomat Drive Yards
Posted - 2006.08.27 14:15:00 - [7]
 

If you want to fight ECM / stab *****s the most effective way to do it is with bigger numbers and more ECM of your own.

EVE PvP is fun, isn't it? Wink

Masta Killa
BURN EDEN
Posted - 2006.08.27 14:46:00 - [8]
 

Or use your mind and think a little, although 99% of eve prefers the blob tactic.

Megri
Princeps Corp
YouWhat
Posted - 2006.08.27 15:42:00 - [9]
 

buy a cnr and fit :

7x Estamel Seige, Dracilra heavy nos

gist x-type xl boost, 2x estamel invul, estamel shield amp, 2x chelm cap rechargers

3x chelm pdu, 1x estamel bcu, 1x estamel cpu.

can tank a maxed out carrier pilot even if carrier has a nos/neut setup.


newfaceok
Posted - 2006.08.27 18:49:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: newfaceok on 27/08/2006 18:49:10
Originally by: Laboratus
One of the great things in eve is:
You can't prepare for everything!

You only have a N amount of slots and different options and thus can't do everything with just one ship, solo.

Your previous setup was excelent for damage output /tanking abilities.
However, it had a weakness to EW. You can try to get around this, by fittin ECCM and for example, ECM mods, or just ECM bursts. Or just carry a load of 5 t2 medium drones and F.O.F missiles in your cargo. As you got the guy to 50% armour, he would have had to warp, if you had continued to pound him with drones and FOFs continuesly...

Or you can utilise those mid slots for some serious EW and armour tank...




Those are some pretty good suggestions, I should definitely carry some FOF. More specifically though, between NOS and smartbombs what should I do with those 2 highslot? And between ECM drones and T2 medium drones what should I do? Would it be worth it dropping a cap booster or a boost amp to fit an ECM of my own? I see in most of the setups people suggest is to just use 2 hardeners (estamels? lol), but woudl that provide enough resistance (not estamels, i mean 2 of the crappier ones)?

newfaceok
Posted - 2006.08.28 22:27:00 - [11]
 

bump

Vathar
The Wings of Maak
Posted - 2006.08.29 00:41:00 - [12]
 

I would say you faced a pair of recon elite cruisers, those specialise in EW, against which you had nothing to defend yourself. Their dps is pretty low but they can wear out lone preys fairly easily.

And be careful, smaller ships don't exactly mean "inferior" ships. In Eve, bigger isn't necessarily better!

vyperpit
Gallente
EVE Employment Agency
Posted - 2006.08.29 00:44:00 - [13]
 

tbh there is nothing u could of done, they practicly perma jamed you.

WOOT for stupidly overpowered ECM

Vathar
The Wings of Maak
Posted - 2006.08.29 10:16:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: vyperpit
tbh there is nothing u could of done, they practicly perma jamed you.

WOOT for stupidly overpowered ECM


For all we know, he got ambushed by a curse and another recon, he doesn't seem to have much pvp experience and the other one might be either a falcon/rook or an arazu/lachesis.

He might have been permadamped or permajammed yeah, he had 10+ meds dedicated to Ewar going against his defenseless battleship. It bloody well makes sense!

Oh, and we don't know where this took place, second ship came after fight had started, so maybe it was delayed coz it was fitting racial jammer to get better chances too. Done this a fair number of times when an hostile is lurking around.

This is definitely NOT a case of overpowered ECM.

inSpirAcy
The Solopwnmobiles
Asomat Drive Yards
Posted - 2006.08.29 10:53:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Vathar
This is definitely NOT a case of overpowered ECM.
There are no situations in which perma-jamming isn't overpowered, regardless of how dedicated your EW ship is and how many jammers you have.

The mere idea is overpowered. Wink

Audrea
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.08.29 11:17:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: inSpirAcy
Originally by: Vathar
This is definitely NOT a case of overpowered ECM.
There are no situations in which perma-jamming isn't overpowered, regardless of how dedicated your EW ship is and how many jammers you have.

The mere idea is overpowered. Wink


QFT.

Nomen Nescio
Posted - 2006.08.29 11:21:00 - [17]
 

Quote:
The mere idea is overpowered.


Yet, lets put full rack of stabs on low of that raven. Just in caseLaughing

Wrayeth
EdgeGamers
Situation: Normal
Posted - 2006.08.29 11:24:00 - [18]
 

Here's a standard raven tank-gank PvP setup with torps:

6 siege II with javelin torpedos
2 named medium nos (ghoul or better for CPU)

1 XL C5l booster
1 J5 or fleeting 20km scrambler (or conjunctive gravimetric ECCM, if you have a tackler)
1 heavy electrochemical cap injector with 800's
1 shield boost amplifier
2 invulnerability field II

3 ballistic control II
1 RCU II
1 PDU II

3 berserker SW-900 web drones

Vathar
The Wings of Maak
Posted - 2006.08.29 12:26:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: inSpirAcy
Originally by: Vathar
This is definitely NOT a case of overpowered ECM.
There are no situations in which perma-jamming isn't overpowered, regardless of how dedicated your EW ship is and how many jammers you have.

The mere idea is overpowered. Wink


Huhu, do you expect 2 Ewar ships that are heavily outdamaged and outtanked by a Battleship to go toe to toe with it and try to win with brute strength.

If played correctly, mere dampeners can totally disable said BS, and he won't be able to do ANYTHING about it.

Old system Blackbird well fitted would have perma-jammed a Raven, a celestis or its T2 brothers would damp him into oblivion, current system rook with racials would pile enough ECM on the raven to keep it more or less permajammed, and frustrating as it is, that's what Ewar ships are designed for, I don't complain when they fulfill their role!


 

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