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Madcat Adams
Amarr
Romulan Technologies Limited
Posted - 2006.08.01 07:54:00 - [31]
 

We have a damadge boat, it's called an Armageddon. We have a tanking boat, it's called an Apocalypse. So WTH do we need our new battleship to be a ship that can be either be a tanker or a damadge ship? That's just completly redundant. Either it doesn't work, which is possible depending on what they do with the cap. Or it works great, and negates the entire rest of the Amarr battleship fleet as it replaces them in one ship. Rolling Eyes

Give us a drone boat, something with flexiabilty, and with the med slots to actually provide some EW support rather than nothing but cap rechargers. To those that say train Gallente for a drone boat, I say go train Miminitar and get you a blaster boat for dmg. Want it longer ranged damadge, go train Caldari.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.08.01 08:28:00 - [32]
 

Gallente are the drone specialists.

It seems unlikely that the Amarrians would get a tier 3 drone BS while the Gallente one is only tier 1.

The more people moan about this, the more likely it is that the Armageddon will end up with a larger drone bay and a tracking disruptor bonus.

Is that what you all really want?

Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2006.08.01 08:37:00 - [33]
 

So... to get a better railgun sniper I have to train Caldari and better drones I have to train Amarr?

/me curses low perception

Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2006.08.01 08:42:00 - [34]
 

I was born amarrian.. yeah.. i know..

McTaggart
Gallente
Posted - 2006.08.01 08:49:00 - [35]
 

/signed. We've already got two abaggedonypses.

Sheraad
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.08.01 08:54:00 - [36]
 

/anti-signed

I'm quite interested to see how it'll be, actually, in its current intended state. Given that all other amarr turret boats have the 10% cap use bonus in exchange for the 'build-in' damage bonus in the guns, I'm very curious to see how this one performs without the cap bonus.
And... no, there can be variation in turret-based ships without flailing around to extremes like 'make it a giant arbitrator'. The fact you actually asked for a turret-disruptor BS makes me wonder if you're a Team Minmatar plant Laughing

White Ronin
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2006.08.01 10:20:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake
Gallente are the drone specialists.



No we are not.
We have 4 dedicated drone ships currently.
The Amarr have 3.
We have 20+ other Hybrid bonus combat ships out there.
We are not drone specialists any more then Amarr are missile specialists or speed specialists.
We specialize in Hybrid systems.
It is fact regardless of what is written in the lore.
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The more people moan about this, the more likely it is that the Armageddon will end up with a larger drone bay and a tracking disruptor bonus.

Is that what you all really want?

Personally.
Yeah.
Sure.
And booste the sensor strength while your at it and add a midslot as it is a Ewar boat if you give it a ewar bonus.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.08.01 10:23:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Rodj Blake on 01/08/2006 10:27:35


Lukom N'Sharii
Somalian hijackers
Posted - 2006.08.01 10:46:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Lukom N''Sharii on 01/08/2006 10:46:24
No, No, and once more No for making Abbadon drone boat !!!! Evil or Very Mad

btw Amarr ships are my favorite weapon of choice in pvp.

Heiken Wimast
Amarr
Clan LoKi
R i s e
Posted - 2006.08.01 10:51:00 - [40]
 

/signed drone / ew / nos gg

Tennotsukai
Minmatar
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Posted - 2006.08.01 18:27:00 - [41]
 

not signed..

a 20 slot drone boat... talk about overpowered.

As its been stated why should amarr get a more powerful drone boat then the gallente?




Espen
NorCorp Security
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
Posted - 2006.08.01 19:58:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Hllaxiu
So... to get a better railgun sniper I have to train Caldari and better drones I have to train Amarr?

/me curses low perception


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Tammar
Dawnwalkers
Posted - 2006.08.01 20:17:00 - [43]
 

Signed, I love the Arby and would welcome a BS version.

Kayden Drake
Caldari
Posted - 2006.08.01 20:37:00 - [44]
 

Yeah, I agree with the people who think this is pointless. The point of teir 3 BS's are to be different. If they made a teir 3 drone ship for any race, the domi would be useless.

Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2006.08.01 20:37:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: White Ronin
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Gallente are the drone specialists.



No we are not.
We have 4 dedicated drone ships currently.
The Amarr have 3.
We have 20+ other Hybrid bonus combat ships out there.
We are not drone specialists any more then Amarr are missile specialists or speed specialists.
We specialize in Hybrid systems.
It is fact regardless of what is written in the lore.

I'm not gonna bother posting my oppinion, I'm just gonna pick this post apart.

Amarr T1: Arbitrator
Amarr T2: Pilgrim, Curse
Additional claims: No spoken dev confirmation, no backstory, no ship descriptions.
Supporting stats: Most ships have no or dimunitive drone bay.

Gallente T1: Imicus, Vexor, Myrmiddon, Dominix
Gallente T2: Helios, Ishkur, Ishtar, Eos
Additional claims: Dev team confirmation from both TomB and Tuxford, several backstory - Gallente even INVENTED drones, several ship descriptions.
Supporting stats: There is no ship without a drone bay, most ships have larger drone bays than their peers.

In addition to this, that a ship also has a bonus to something else does not exclude that they can be specialized or dabble in other things.

And if you really wish to split hairs.

Amarr missile ships: Inquisitor
Gallente missile ships: None.
Bombers excluded. "Missile ship" defined as "more missiles than turrets" and "at least half (hardpoint) bonuses dedicated to missiles". This excludes "bastards".

Speaking of speed, have you checked T2 ship speeds? Amarr beat Gallente on most occasions. Geez. Not your lucky day at choosing analogies, is it ;)

Dethis
Caldari
Queens of the Stone Age
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2006.08.01 21:03:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Dethis on 01/08/2006 21:05:08
Think about it the drone boat would have to be worse then the Domi it would have to be or it just wouldnt be right. Gallente is the drone race everyone knows that if you think they arent then i dont think were playing the same game

Now being tier 3 this battleship is gonna cost roughly 150mill thats alot more then a domi.

So why would you pay 80+ mill more for a subpar domi when you could just oh i dunno fly a domi?


I agree the BS should be something different but making it a drone boat is a terrible idea

Rexthor Hammerfists
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2006.08.01 21:10:00 - [47]
 

i like the new bs,
will b fn to fly for sure -

but it makes the other bses, or at least one of them pretty useles.

so i suggest changing either the geddon to a drone boat, or make the apoc a cheap bhaalgorn.

Dethis
Caldari
Queens of the Stone Age
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2006.08.01 21:17:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Dethis on 01/08/2006 21:17:13
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
i like the new bs,
will b fn to fly for sure -

but it makes the other bses, or at least one of them pretty useles.

so i suggest changing either the geddon to a drone boat, or make the apoc a cheap bhaalgorn.


Ya the only way to actually balance it is make the geddon a drone boat so it costs roughly the same as a domi and is a slightly worse drone boat and leave the t3 as a gun ship.

And im pretty sure amarr dont want the geddon changed

volly
Amarr
Full Contact
Blade.
Posted - 2006.08.01 21:18:00 - [49]
 

Drone Boat, Missile Boat, EW Boat, a mix of them.... whatever...
but not a 3rd 100% redundant Laserboat.
Thx

Udyr Vulpayne
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.08.01 22:03:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Dethis

Ya the only way to actually balance it is make the geddon a drone boat so it costs roughly the same as a domi and is a slightly worse drone boat and leave the t3 as a gun ship.

And im pretty sure amarr dont want the geddon changed


thats actually the way i would prefer it.

it's true that most amarrians propably dont want to lose the geddon. however with the abaddon as introduced in the devblog we get a new and better geddon anyway so i dont think that would be a problem really.

to make it an even easier transition i would give the tier3 laser-rof boat the geddon name and hull and the tier 1 droneboat the abaddon name and hull.

also: an amarrian t1 drone-bs doesnt have to be worse than the domi in all regards as long as it doenst overtake it on the drone-role.
two ways to achieve that could be:
- smaller dronebay for the abaddon (200-250m3)
- domi getting a 2nd dronebonus and turned into a pure droneboat


Dethis
Caldari
Queens of the Stone Age
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2006.08.01 22:11:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Dethis on 01/08/2006 22:10:51
Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne
Originally by: Dethis

Ya the only way to actually balance it is make the geddon a drone boat so it costs roughly the same as a domi and is a slightly worse drone boat and leave the t3 as a gun ship.

And im pretty sure amarr dont want the geddon changed


thats actually the way i would prefer it.

it's true that most amarrians propably dont want to lose the geddon. however with the abaddon as introduced in the devblog we get a new and better geddon anyway so i dont think that would be a problem really.

to make it an even easier transition i would give the tier3 laser-rof boat the geddon name and hull and the tier 1 droneboat the abaddon name and hull.

also: an amarrian t1 drone-bs doesnt have to be worse than the domi in all regards as long as it doenst overtake it on the drone-role.
two ways to achieve that could be:
- smaller dronebay for the abaddon (200-250m3)
- domi getting a 2nd dronebonus and turned into a pure droneboat




That was more or less what i meant it wouldnt have to be "worse" then the domi just not a better drone boat.

I see no issue with making the geddon a drone boat and making the t3 a slightly better geddon, im sure some balancing here and there would have to be done but this is at least a resonable change, unlike making the t3 a solo pwn drone mobile :)

Aberash
eXceed Inc.
Minor Threat.
Posted - 2006.08.02 01:33:00 - [52]
 

/signed

A flexible amarr drone boat bs, so not to replace the domi, but more as a variation.

Andreask14
Raptus Regaliter
Brutally Clever Empire
Posted - 2006.08.02 02:01:00 - [53]
 

Tbh, i wouldnt mind if the Amarrians would get ANYTHING to have SOMETHING going for them.

Scince the stacking nerf and the EANM II tanking boost with the dam-controls i am really wondering what to put on the 8 lows of a geddon, when more than three heatsinks wont matter. Like i even think about the apocalypse anymore.

A drone-ship would at least add a certain sense of competitiveness in our current drone/nos/ecm/missile environment.

See a pattern?
Everything seems to be cool BUT the turrets, which are supposed to be the stars of amarr.

Still, i think the abaddon might be a nice tachyon boat if they change some other things in that patch as well, it might be that amarrians can rely on their lasers once more.

FireAnt
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.08.02 02:55:00 - [54]
 

I would rather the tier 2 bc be the amarr drone boat. let the t2 bs be what amarr need a solo killer.

White Ronin
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2006.08.02 03:23:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: White Ronin on 02/08/2006 03:25:08
Originally by: Rodj Blake
blah blah


So having a large drone bay makes you a specialist?
Guess the Min specialize in drones and missiles as they have large amounts of them, more so then other races.

No, doing it better makes you a specialist.
Granted the Imicus is also a specialist ship, that still brings your count to 5 ships in this field.
Still making it 3 Amarr and 5 Gal drone boats.
Couldnt find the Myrmiddon under commonly produced ships so I ignored it. Please link to it if you can as it was not ingame nor was I able to find it in the item database.

Using simple numbers to define someones specialty in a system is pretty crap huh?
How about this...
How many Gal ships 'specialize' in hybrid turrets? Meaning they have a bonus to turret use. They do it BETTER on their ships cause their ships are made to do that one thing better. Ya know, specializing.
How many drone 'specialist'?
Now what do Gal specialise in?
Yeah, not alot to 'pick apart' on that.

To say that no other race should make a drone ship that could be considered 'better' then the Domi is garbage also. And for the same RP junk reasons keep falling back on.
"Cause they invented it."
SO WHAT!?
Just cause you invent something doesnt mean you will always be the best at it. If you stop being inovative in it you fail.

Quote:

The Dominix is one of the old warhorses dating back to the Gallente-Caldari War.

So, we will stop all technological advancement in every empire in the field of drone use so as not to go beyond what the Domi is?
Right.....
Now dont get me wrong. The Amarr should not be drone specialists but they do need other options in damage type and drone use fits this bill. Also they are the only race to combine drone use and Ewarfare. Let them continue down this path. That is 'their' niche when it comes to drone use. Maybe they might even combine missile use and ewar. But right now they are focusing on drones.
What? That is better then the path choosen by the 'drone specialists' of turrets/drones? Too Bad. Either make your own Ewar drone boat or dont but dont say they cant continue down their logical building path because it would be better then what you have. That is ******ed.
Yes, the Gal were once the undesputed kings of the droners. But you have to keep advancing in your design. You have to keep pushing the emvelope to stay ahead.
The Ishtar is a great example of this. A drone boat the is equal to a bs drone boat in damage with said drones and drone space, smaller faster and with stronger armor. But the Ishtar is actually the logical conclusion or next step (depending on your perspective) of the 'Domi' type of turret/drone ships.
Currently the Gal had an opportunity to advance their racial 'specialty' (did you go through and look at how many hybrid bonus ships their are and compare it to drone bonus ships???... yeah, that is what I thought. Makes the Gal's 'drone specialty' seem a joke as they spend all their effort on hybrids) and make an Ewar/drone based bs. They choose instead to make ANOTHER hybrid ship specializing in HYBRID weapons and further specializing to make a pure blaster boat. That will mean 2 out of three Gal BS are hybrid turret specialists and even the drone boat has a hybrid bonus. But they choose to do that.
The dev team says they are the 'drone specialists' but make ships that only specialize in turrets. Makes their lore and definition of 'specialist' look a little hollow especially when another race makes a better drone boat huh?

Well, the addition of a Amarr drone/ewar BS would solve alot of their damage issues AND yes it would be better then the Domi.

But that is the Devs fault and the Gals fault for spending so much time on hybrids and not any more time on their 'specialty'.
Lead, follow or get out of the way.
But dont expect the galaxy to wait for you.

Alahar Sardokh
Posted - 2006.08.02 03:53:00 - [56]
 

OP /signed

BillyBong2
Amarr
3OO
WE FORM VOLTRON
Posted - 2006.08.02 04:42:00 - [57]
 

You know what I would really like to see? A way to change out Laser damage type. I know we have the biggest base damage with our crystals, and we can change them quickly and we don't have to carry around thousands of rounds of ammo.

I just want to see that and you can keep all of your phunky bonii.

Judicator Aldaris
Amarr
Posted - 2006.08.02 05:00:00 - [58]
 

/signed

Yesugei Khan
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2006.08.03 01:46:00 - [59]
 

/signed why amarr getting worst thing everytime. WTF is the problem, I WANT DRONE BS.

Locke Ateid
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
Posted - 2006.08.03 01:50:00 - [60]
 

/signed

Just to give them something different.


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