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synK
Caldari
Free Space Tech
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.19 20:49:00 - [1]
 

as the search is buggered atm i cant see if anyone has asked this already! the new hawk, imo is pretty ace, i can use it better than a harpy because of my missile skills, as of friday, this will be my setup for PVP. probably tackling.

Tackling:
H: Standard Missile Launcher 2
H: Standard Missile Launcher 2
H: Standard Missile Launcher 2
H: Standard Missile Launcher 2
H: Small Named NOS

M: Named Webber
M: Named +2 7500km Scram
M: Small SB II
M: AB / Sheild Boost Amp

L: BCU
L: PDU

is this anygood? and can anyone suggest a solo PVP setup? passive or active tanking etc.
TA!

synkLaughing

Lyra VX
Pretty Riders
Posted - 2006.07.19 21:02:00 - [2]
 

My immediate mental reaction was that you're using long range frigate weapons with short range support kit (scrambler, webber, nos) and sacrificing DPS (and cpu/grid) as a result.

Unless there's a reason you aren't going with rockets :)

Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
Posted - 2006.07.19 21:06:00 - [3]
 

No good. You have asked many times and we have also told you many times.

synK
Caldari
Free Space Tech
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.19 21:12:00 - [4]
 

and i'll ask as many times as i like Cool

James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2006.07.19 21:23:00 - [5]
 

If you're in scramble range, then rockets do more DPS.
Sadly, the kestrel still does better, but hey ho.

Dethis
Caldari
Queens of the Stone Age
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2006.07.19 22:17:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: James Lyrus
If you're in scramble range, then rockets do more DPS.
Sadly, the kestrel still does better, but hey ho.



^^

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2006.07.19 23:45:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 19/07/2006 23:47:04
Originally by: James Lyrus
Sadly, the kestrel still does better, but hey ho.



Maybe better if DPS was all that matters, but it isn't.

The Kestrel has the advantage in:

DPS: by 25%, assuming the Hawk pilot doesn't use his turret slot

Price: it's T1 vs. T2. Big surprise.

The Hawk has the advantage in:

Range: the Hawk gets 50% more range, which means it gets a head start on damage through an earlier first salvo, as well as all the other benefits of a range advantage.

Tanking: the Hawk can survive a beating that will scrap a Kestrel in seconds. Hugely better resists + better base HP + shield boost bonus + better fitting options = massive advantage.

Damage over time: between range and tanking, the Hawk pilot will be hitting for non-zero damage where a Kestrel would be either dead or out of range.

Extra slots: Extra high for a turret (even out the DPS), fit nos, whatever. Extra mid for all the wonderful things you can do with mid slots.

Better fitting: the Kestrel can't fit standard launchers without compromising the rest of the fitting. My Hawk easily fits 4x standard, deadspace AB (3 more grid needed), 2x BCU II, etc, all without fitting mods or even AWU. Keep in mind that the ability to fit another BCU where the Kestrel has to use a MAPC for the same setup = more DPS.




So it's arguable that the Hawk needs some slight improvement (I'd love a little more CPU), but it's hardly an awful ship that loses to a T1 frigate.

synK
Caldari
Free Space Tech
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.07.20 00:07:00 - [8]
 

agreed, ive taken on and won against three kessys at once, hardly a match really.

Crellion
Parental Control
Merciless.
Posted - 2006.07.20 00:27:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Crellion on 20/07/2006 00:27:32
Originally by: synK
agreed, ive taken on and won against three kessys at once, hardly a match really.

I propose we test it. I ll come in a kessy and bring two friends in Kessies and you be in your Hawk see if you can pop us b4 we pop you. What do you say? (I suggest that you also use a gist-a type to be sure you get the upper hand.

(No EW oc if it makes you feel better)

Witch Doctor
Einherjar Rising
Posted - 2006.07.20 23:37:00 - [10]
 

Try swapping the standards for T2 rocket launchers with Javelins. Over 34km range with impressive rocket spam.
Drop the webber (you don't really need it), bump the small booster to a medium, add an EW resist. IIRC, I managed to do so without needing a PDU, but you can keep it for the cap.
You could also go extreme and drop the AB for something else - who cares if someone gets close.

I would put long odds on 3 kessies against that setup.


 

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