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Diehard Si
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Outbreak.
Posted - 2006.07.17 17:39:00 - [1]
 

I'm gallente, but liked the look of amarr battleships and so have learnt those skills too and use a geddon for level 3's and mining mainly as not yet got good enough skills to take it low sec. If i go low sec to rat it's normally in a vexor.

Now i want to start getting some tech 2 weapons and like the idea of tech 2 rails on a gallente assault frig. This however doesn't compliment Amarr ships where i'd like to train up tech 2 lasers.

What are peoples thoughts on cross training then? I presume it's frowned upon as you won't be specialised enough. If the choice came down to it, would you choose Amarr or Gallente for assualt ships, HAC's etc?

Could do with peoples opinions before i decide which way to go.

thanks


Kayser
Amarr
Posted - 2006.07.17 18:01:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Kayser on 17/07/2006 18:01:48
Edited by: Kayser on 17/07/2006 18:01:12
Don't think too much about what others would do. Do whatever YOU want, cause it's your Character, so you should play it the way you want. I personaly can fly all the normal T1 Ships(haven't trained for Capships, and I'm not planning on doing that anytime soon), and quite a bunch of Amarian T2 ships. I have the Skills to make good use of all T1 Weapons and can use almost all T2 Laser(only the T2 Large Beams are not trained). I really love the variability I have with my selection of skills, I might not be as good as someone who specialises, but I'm having tons of fun.

Diehard Si
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Posted - 2006.07.17 18:03:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Kayser
Edited by: Kayser on 17/07/2006 18:01:48
Edited by: Kayser on 17/07/2006 18:01:12
Don't think too much about what others would do. Do whatever YOU want, cause it's your Character, so you should play it the way you want. I personaly can fly all the normal T1 Ships(haven't trained for Capships, and I'm not planning on doing that anytime soon), and quite a bunch of Amarian T2 ships. I have the Skills to make good use of all T1 Weapons and can use almost all T2 Laser(only the T2 Large Beams are not trained). I really love the variability I have with my selection of skills, I might not be as good as someone who specialises, but I'm having tons of fun.
ah cool, but thinking more in the short term then. what do you find more effective and would recommend working towards?

Diehard Si
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Posted - 2006.07.18 16:33:00 - [4]
 

any other input from anyone?


At the min i'm leaning towards tech 2 rails and flying gallente AF and eventually the HAC. I've heard people say the Zealot is supposed to be good though

Scrappinak
Posted - 2006.07.18 16:41:00 - [5]
 

Laz0rs sound way cooler when they fire. Rails just kinda go plink plink -- pretty terrible. Yeah, I actually play with the sound on. That's about as objective as I can be on the two. I'd definately pick one kinda gun and try to stick to it early on, though.

Shoele Lialos
Gallente
MCB Inc.
Posted - 2006.07.18 16:42:00 - [6]
 

I already fly the Enyo (could fly the Ishtar too, I suppose but my Drone skills suck). Later today, I will finally have Evasive Maneuvering V done and be into Interceptors. I will next be getting Minmatar Frigate V, and getting my Projectile skills up for T2 guns. I fully intend to stick with Frigate class ships (possibly to include Interdictors). This means I can stick with training small guns to V, and then their T2 counterparts to IV. It won't take much pushing for me to move into Caldari and Amarr Frigates either, and adding Lasers and Missiles to my repertoire.

Now, directly related to your question, if you're liking the AF's, seriously take a look at the Jaguar and Wolf, the two Minmatar ones. Imma fly a Jag, and that baby is schweet.

So, while I started in a different race than you, I have a similar thing going on. I'll do Covert ops eventually too, and if I have Frig V in all 4 races, I can fly ANY of the Elit Frigates/Destroyers at that point.

KALEN ACHURAN
Caldari
Posted - 2006.07.18 16:49:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: KALEN ACHURAN on 18/07/2006 16:49:44
Hey man it is really up to you...You can fly anytype of ship you want. My original charater (who I just sold) was made as amarrian and then later learned gallient ship skills as well. As far as weaponry goes...I hated HATED lasers. I thought they were the downfall of amarr. I started calling them not guns, but "self nos'ing devices" I found that EM was a fairly high resistance on most ships (bar the shields when un-tanked/hardened) But do as you wish I have seen been part of impressive laser battles. If your skills are outta control you will do fine versus a "less skilled opponent" I (probably stupidly but oh well) completely stopped using lasers and focused in drones (2 mil sp and was just starting)

But do not take my word for it experience them. I agree Amarr ships look hott...I meen cmon who doesn't like the look of the armageddon (insert lame-o "looks like a d1ldo) flamer reply here"

*BTW a geddon cannot be kitted to work like a domi...trust me I have tried for ages...Crying or Very sad (domi looks like an ugly fat ship; geddon looks like a fast dangerous weapon)

Diehard Si
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Posted - 2006.07.18 17:50:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Shoele Lialos
I already fly the Enyo (could fly the Ishtar too, I suppose but my Drone skills suck). Later today, I will finally have Evasive Maneuvering V done and be into Interceptors. I will next be getting Minmatar Frigate V, and getting my Projectile skills up for T2 guns. I fully intend to stick with Frigate class ships (possibly to include Interdictors). This means I can stick with training small guns to V, and then their T2 counterparts to IV. It won't take much pushing for me to move into Caldari and Amarr Frigates either, and adding Lasers and Missiles to my repertoire.

Now, directly related to your question, if you're liking the AF's, seriously take a look at the Jaguar and Wolf, the two Minmatar ones. Imma fly a Jag, and that baby is schweet.

So, while I started in a different race than you, I have a similar thing going on. I'll do Covert ops eventually too, and if I have Frig V in all 4 races, I can fly ANY of the Elit Frigates/Destroyers at that point.
oh don't get me thinking about minmatar! lol i'll have been through all the races soon! Is the jaguar really that good?

Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.07.18 19:30:00 - [9]
 

Cross training is a good way to keep mediocre pilots...mediocre.

There is nothing better than having 43 million skillpoints and realizing that there are people with 17 million skillpoints who are better than you at your favorite ship because they specialized.

Shamis

4 LOM
Serenus Legion
Posted - 2006.07.18 19:38:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Cross training is a good way to keep mediocre pilots...mediocre.

There is nothing better than having 43 million skillpoints and realizing that there are people with 17 million skillpoints who are better than you at your favorite ship because they specialized.

Shamis


agreed.

I have 30M sp and can only fly caldari ships.

That being said if you are a new character play around a bit and find what you like best then try and stick with it... in the short term trying a bit of everything wont hurt to bad and it will give you a better idea as to what to spec in. But in the long run a little of everything may sound nice but its not. someone with 40M sp may be completely outskilled in an interceptor or assault frig bye someone with under 10M sp. Thats what makes EVE so nice, to be really good at one thing does not take long at all. so even if you are fairly new (3-4months or more) you can go toe to toe with someone who has been in the game for 4 years

Kell Memran
Posted - 2006.07.18 19:43:00 - [11]
 

I think that Shamis is right that u might not be the best pilot in the world for a particular ship but u can then dock agen and fit a ship that wil woop em!. I personally fly two races(gallente/caldari) and i love the fact that that i can change ship every now and then when i get bored. And i would also be effected by how a ship sounds and looks as wel becuase afata all it is just a game and having fun is wat it is all about........ if u want my advice train both........but............. if u want a set answer then get the zealot just becuase it is damn hot and makes a very kewl noise wen it shoots!!!
lmao
Kell

Diehard Si
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Posted - 2006.07.18 19:47:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: 4 LOM


agreed.

I have 30M sp and can only fly caldari ships.

That being said if you are a new character play around a bit and find what you like best then try and stick with it... in the short term trying a bit of everything wont hurt to bad and it will give you a better idea as to what to spec in. But in the long run a little of everything may sound nice but its not. someone with 40M sp may be completely outskilled in an interceptor or assault frig bye someone with under 10M sp. Thats what makes EVE so nice, to be really good at one thing does not take long at all. so even if you are fairly new (3-4months or more) you can go toe to toe with someone who has been in the game for 4 years


yeah thats the thing, i have only found a few ships that have really caught my eye and they are all from different races. I feel i need to play around to find what i want to do, but am too impatient for that

Deadeye Dave
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2006.07.18 21:09:00 - [13]
 

I have about 16m SP in Amarr ships etc but after recently flying the Curse/Pilgrim more I have found that I like drone ships. This has encouraged me to train for an Ishtar. Sure I will 'waste' roughly 1mSP in Gallente Cruiser V but the drone skills, armor tanking skills etc can all be used when flying Amarr or Gallente.

If I were you I would pick one race to begin with and when you get it to a reasonable lvl you can cross train. People have said don't do it because your character won't be specialized and won't be able to compete and some people have said its your character and your choice. I think aslong as you don't waste too many SP then there is no problem its the fun that counts.


Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.07.18 21:14:00 - [14]
 

Certain races have a lot of overlap, so once you have a ton of sp's you can start working on both...

The combo you really want to avoid is amarr and caldari. There is very little overlap there.




Yakov Krasnov
Caldari
Posted - 2006.07.18 21:16:00 - [15]
 

I have been playing for about 4 months now, and threw lots of skillpoints into Learning. On other MMO's I've been an altaholic, because I want to try playing *everything*. Well, in EVE I can do it with one character for the most part. Currently I can fly any T1 frigate or destroyer, any T1 Amarr cruiser, and some of the T1 Caldari.

I have particularly enjoyed flying ships not common in a region for a local agent, flying a Punisher in Minmatar missions was lots of fun, so was flying a Thrasher in Caldari space. (pity about the lack of ammo though) My current stable of ships includes mostly Caldari, a few Amarr, and a Minmatar. Variety is the spice of life!

Just bear in mind that specializing can make you a powerhouse quickly, while the varied and random route takes MUCH longer, but can make you more knowledgeable about what you are fighting and how to beat them. My current corp has been very surprised at how much I knew about different ships and what they could do in spite of my relative noobness.

Bear in mind some races are easier to cross over to than others.

KALEN ACHURAN
Caldari
Posted - 2006.07.18 21:21:00 - [16]
 

Dude why not learn for the different races...At least when comparing races and their ships you will know what you are talking about...these people who claim to know how to "fix this" or "This need nerf" and only fly one race (many times one ship example the Raven. But once you figure out what you like go Balls Out man really dig into it if you wanna fly a geddon do it but get the skills up on it. If your half ass on it you will hate it...

BobFromMarketing
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.07.18 21:32:00 - [17]
 

I say do what you want, im ammar/gallente. I don't regret crossing at all. Sure im not a powerhouse but I don't mind i play to have fun not to be the best ganker in the land

4 LOM
Serenus Legion
Posted - 2006.07.18 21:46:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: BobFromMarketing
I say do what you want, im ammar/gallente. I don't regret crossing at all. Sure im not a powerhouse but I don't mind i play to have fun not to be the best ganker in the land


I stated above that specilizing is the way to go (for me it is... i like to be the best at what i do, its a pride issue).

That being said there is alot of truth to the above qoute and you should take it to hart. I love flying caldari and i do it very well but sometimes i wish i could fly other races just for a change. (also being all missile spec means i can never effectivly snipe and i think that would be fun as well).


Crellion
Parental Control
Merciless.
Posted - 2006.07.19 02:26:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Crellion on 19/07/2006 02:29:55
Gallente and Caldari training from day 1 and never regretted being less specialised than others. Its a matter of degree... 4-5 only takes you so far and its not as far as the ability to adopt.

When they nerfed the Raven my Mega powned :) and when they made tech II precisions guess who was popping ceptors left right and centre? Wink

Edit: I've now got an ammar char also and when he is good enough to do well in fleet/gang/solo situations (notice "do well" not "be teh uber") he will switch to training minnie 4tw. By then Sarmaul will be prime minister of eve anyway so I ll have to retire poor Crel who cant fly Minmattar.

IMO flying skills are much more important than getting that extra 2% from spec 5 and cross flyingg ships in pvp gives you a far better understanding of your enemies' ships. If you ever get a Curse to agress your passive tanked Cerb you ll see what I mean Very Happy


 

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