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Pepperami
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2006.06.27 15:16:00 - [31]
 

Bot or no bot, all 0.00 escrows will get sniped by regualar players unless you are *very very* lucky, stop being so hard done by and blaming bots, peoples own stupidity is the reason for losing their 0.00 escrows.

TheAwakening
Caldari
Post-Terran Mining Corporation
Posted - 2006.06.27 15:30:00 - [32]
 

i'll wet myself laughing if it comes out that it's a ccp bot that claims 0.0isk escrows as an ISK Sink

not that it'd happen Sad

Shinca
Posted - 2006.06.27 15:54:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Rutoo
Special Thanks goes out the the escrow bot who claimed my rapier for 0.0 isk no no thank you .

Silly me put the name in the description feild :(EmbarassedEmbarassedEmbarassed

always click search, even if you put in the correct name, unless you are deliberately setting escrow for everyone

Freya Runestone
Posted - 2006.06.27 15:58:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: LaVista
So, basicly i just did, once again, a big mistake.
I bought a retriever for my alt. I set it up on escrow(And yes, i admit it, for 0 isk, and no explicit name, which is VERY stupid by me). Not a SINGLE second after that, it was gone, poof, gone forever.
I have seen a few topics on this. But i do not remember, what CCP is saying about this.
Will CCP reimburst people, if they got pwned by this stupid bots?

I know im gonna get flamed now.. But i really just wanted to now. Not that 12mill is alot, but it makes me 12mill even far away from a tempest ugh

CCP will not reimburse you for it, not unless you couldn't enter the username of the alt, and that you can somehow prove it was a bug.
and even without bots it would be lost, a bot might be able to do it very fast, but you have no chance of claiming this even against real players.

bubba6666
Posted - 2006.07.04 23:16:00 - [35]
 

I lost about 400 mil by forgetting to put a name; I was stupid I'll get over it. But I did an experiment and created several BM's and put them all on the market at 0.00 isk, not at the same time, I even labelled some of them "worthless BM don't take". All of them were taken in less than 10 seconds of being posted.

Does this mean it's a bot, who knows. It is possible that at any given time someone is scouring escrows and can grab all the 0 isk ones. If it is a bot, that is just lame.

Kenti Silvistrini
Freelancing Corp
Confederation of Independent Corporations
Posted - 2006.07.05 00:27:00 - [36]
 

OK, maybe I'm not getting something here, but why would anyone escrow an item of any worth without using the specified name feature? Or is there a flaw in that system?

Ive used the specified name escrow many times without a hitch, so IMO anyone not using it deserves to lose out, again unless it's bugged.

Rolling Eyes

bubba6666
Posted - 2006.07.05 15:18:00 - [37]
 

In my case it was just a brain fart. I use escrow alot to transfer items back and fourth and with anything you do all the time, the more you use it, the higher your chance of making a mistake.

I lost 400 mil or so, not something I am very proud or happy about. I understand that escrow is an unforgiving tool and things happen. So if some opportunist who scours escrow looking for stuff like managed to grab my items in the >20 seconds it took me to load escrow and try to retrieve them, I can't pout or compain about that. However if someone is using a 3rd party tool to get an unfair advantage, that is just lame and takes away from game play.

Andargor theWise
Collateral Damage Unlimited
Posted - 2006.07.05 15:43:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Andargor theWise on 05/07/2006 15:44:10

I don't mind losing something to stupidity, as long it's to another player spending the time and effort to pwn me. YARRRR!!

But I did several tests with 1 trit at 0 ISK, and they were all gone between the time I submitted, and went into the "Show Escrows Issued by me" screen.

Bots annoy me so much I requested that a warning be shown with the new contracts system. Evil or Very Mad

EDIT: I also did tests up to 100 ISK, and they get snapped up inhumanely quickly as well... Mad

Lyra VX
Pretty Riders
Posted - 2006.07.05 15:59:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: kieron
CCP is aware of the existance of escrow bots and generally perma-bans bot users that are caught.

Sorry - generally? Isn't this sort of thing worth a blanket policy - you get caught, you're banned?

Palx
Caldari
tr0pa de elite
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2006.07.05 16:07:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: kieron
CCP is aware of the existance of escrow bots and generally perma-bans bot users that are caught. As with other third-party applications, cheats and hacks, the best insurance is to just play the game as it was intended.


How do you prove these? The speed of reaction? or can you see if they are using a 3rd party progam?

I've claimed lots of 0isk escrows- and would hate to be banned just because of how fast I got them.

Mrs Miyagi
Posted - 2006.07.05 16:09:00 - [41]
 

Theres a way to get the player id of the person who claimed your escrow, using the log server.

Its very fiddly to explain and understand, but you are basically looking for item ownership changes and lots of numbers when you open your wallet journal after an escrow is claimed.

The player id of the character can be turned into a name by doing a 'read last posts of this character' on the forum, and changing the number. If they haven't posted there is supposedly a way to get the name too, but for the purposes of a petition I would imagine character ID number is sufficient evidence for CCP.

Once you have a suspected escrow bot, place several 0.0 isk escrows up and watch them get claimed in nanoseconds. Then report the player ID. I hate these idiots and want them all removed, since it harms legitimate non-bot escrow campers' income streams.

solidshot
Posted - 2006.07.05 16:12:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: LaVista


Im gonna wait and see whatever a nice GM wanna give me my retriever back Laughing


why should they? bots may exist but without your stupidity they would be useless and have nothing to claim

Erfnam
Offworld Miners and Fabricators Guild
Rising Orbit Free Trade League
Posted - 2006.07.05 16:22:00 - [43]
 

I've had escrow oops on me before, where it ignored all of the input fields. That is irritating.

CCP kieron

Posted - 2006.07.05 16:40:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Lyra VX
Originally by: kieron
CCP is aware of the existance of escrow bots and generally perma-bans bot users that are caught.

Sorry - generally? Isn't this sort of thing worth a blanket policy - you get caught, you're banned?

Bans are levied on those that are caught, but not all of those bans will be permanent. Duration of the ban is dependent upon the severity of the infraction, past conduct and other factors.

Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.07.05 16:43:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Emily Spankratchet
Originally by: Pepperami
Do these bots actually exist?


Yes, they do. But I'll have to leave that as an unverifiable assertion, because I don't want to break any forum rules.

Myself, I don't see the point. I play EvE to have fun, not cheat my way to more ISK. I get enough of the rat-race at work.


Who are you trying protect here?

DukDodgerz
Amarr
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.07.05 17:06:00 - [46]
 

you can have some fun with the 0-isk escrow bot users;

Make a few (100)thousand bms (all useless, such as bms to a station in Jita).

escrow them at 0 isk in batches of 1000 each, and repeat.

I did this and between the time of clicking the submit and then refresh the screen to see the "new" escrow, it was gone, each time.

If this causes lag on the servers, DO NOT DO IT. I did it as a test. IF the servers would not suffer, I say spam them 0-isk escrow bots with crap, lots and lots of crap.
Twisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted Evil

Poison Dwarf
Posted - 2006.07.05 19:51:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Mrs Miyagi
The player id of the character can be turned into a name by doing a 'read last posts of this character' on the forum, and changing the number. If they haven't posted there is supposedly a way to get the name too, but for the purposes of a petition I would imagine character ID number is sufficient evidence for CCP.


Once you have a player id, you can do a showinfo ingame by putting the following text in a webpage, then opening the page using the ingame browser:

<A HREF="showinfo:1378//xxxxxxxx">mystery person</A>

Replace xxxxxxxx with the player id. Click on the link that is produced, and there you go...

FireFoxx80
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.07.05 20:30:00 - [48]
 

There was a video a while back of some guy advertising a mining bot too... so it can be done (worringly easily too!).


ZzeusS
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.07.05 20:38:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Andargor theWise
also did tests up to 100 ISK, and they get snapped up inhumanely quickly as well... Mad



Well now. Maybe someone should see how high the bot trollers auto-pick limit goes up to?

FireFoxx80
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.07.06 10:54:00 - [50]
 

lemmie see, I could put all my trash on escrow, and someone will _pay_ me for it?

I'm there.

Mitchman
Omniscient Order
Posted - 2006.07.06 11:07:00 - [51]
 

Why doesn't EVE give a confirmation dialog when a 0.0 escrow is set with no reciever? It should and it's so easy to make life better for people that make this mistake.


Boonaki
Caldari
Focused Annihilation
Detrimental Imperative
Posted - 2006.07.06 11:36:00 - [52]
 

Like the idea on the bookmark thing.

100,000 bookmarks will ruin someones day.

Pepperami
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2006.07.06 11:44:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Mitchman
Why doesn't EVE give a confirmation dialog when a 0.0 escrow is set with no reciever? It should and it's so easy to make life better for people that make this mistake.




It does tell you.. You want a second dialog? Laughing

Gunship
Amarr
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2006.07.06 12:19:00 - [54]
 

One of my corp mate had it happen to him (Lost 100mill at least).

It's an exploit imho, the simple fix is to not allow you to escrow to all for 0 isk. A little pop up windows saying:

Quote:
You can't create an escrow for anyone at 0 isk value, please amend


Would do the trick.

And while we are at it, could we please identify BPO from BPC with either a different back ground color or "BPO" tag in the buttom left corner (a bit like how T2 are identified).

This game is a grifers paradise and there are easy ways of dealing with it, it's just that CCP don't find it important for some strange reason. Surely the cure's above are better than the overhead of petitions and the customers frustration of unintented game mecanicsRolling Eyes


Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2006.07.06 12:32:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Gunship
One of my corp mate had it happen to him (Lost 100mill at least).

It's an exploit imho, the simple fix is to not allow you to escrow to all for 0 isk. A little pop up windows saying:



The only thing getting exploited is your corpmate's stupidity.

Sorry to be blunt, but that is the plain truth of it.

Rovol
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2006.07.06 14:14:00 - [56]
 

tbh I don't see the problem here apart from the fact that some people are using bots to beat players to the 0 isk escrows.

If a player puts an escrow up with something valuable in it without a cost or restricting to a player - and presses the confirm dialog without checking it then there is no way CCP should be replacing these 'lost' items.


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