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Tiuwaz
Minmatar
No Paradise
Posted - 2006.06.17 01:47:00 - [1]
 

well i was a bit bored and after all those amarr whines with em dmg etc, i told myself lets calculate if a munnin, with its strong armour em resists, could survive a doomsday blast from the amarr titan Avatar



Doomsdayoperation skill at lvl 1
(munnin max hp skills)

raw dmg 41250

needed to break shields (1406 base hp * 1,25 from skills at 75% resist): 7030

34220 dmg left

munnin armour (1781 base * 1,25 from skills) 2226,25
armour needed to survive without structure dmg 2566,5

Fazit: to survive a Doomsdayblast with lvl 1 skills you need to fit a 200mm plate or 1 EANM II (no skills needed)



Doomsdayoperation skill at lvl 4
(munnin max hp skills)

raw dmg 52500

needed to break shields (1406 base hp * 1,25 from skills at 75% resist): 7030

45470 dmg left

munnin armour (1781 base * 1,25 from skills) 2226,25
armour needed to survive without structure dmg 3410


Fazit: to survive a Doomsdayblast with lvl 4 skills you need to fit a 800mm plate or 2 EANM II's (again wihtout skills)



Doomsdayoperation skill at lvl 5 ( DA BOMB! )
(munnin max hp skills)

raw dmg 56250

needed to break shields (1406 base hp * 1,25 from skills at 75% resist): 7030

49220 dmg left

munnin armour (1781 base * 1,25 from skills) 2226,25
armour needed to survive without structure dmg 3691,5

Fazit: to survive a Doomsdayblast with lvl 5 skills you need to fit a 800mm plate or 2 EANM II's (with lvl 4 em compensation skill)



I hope to save the lives of many Munnins with this thread, in case they ever have to face an Amarr Titan. Hail Minmatar Technology ugh

Commander Thrawn
M. Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2006.06.17 01:57:00 - [2]
 

and so you proove our point,
switch em for thermal and give us a only explosive tech2 crystal

Imode
Celestial Apocalypse
The Requiem
Posted - 2006.06.17 01:58:00 - [3]
 

Laughing

Max Warg
Caldari
Chosen Path
Posted - 2006.06.17 02:18:00 - [4]
 

Quote:
and so you proove our point,
switch em for thermal and give us a only explosive tech2 crystal


Like any other hac that takes damage from a weapon that dose the damage in wich it has the highest native resistances could not be set up to sirvive.

Tiuwaz
Minmatar
No Paradise
Posted - 2006.06.17 02:38:00 - [5]
 

a Sacriledge can passive shield tank a minnie titan using his doomsday weapon forever by using only 2 medslots Wink

Tiuwaz
Minmatar
No Paradise
Posted - 2006.06.17 20:29:00 - [6]
 

i got a lot of Fanpost about this and many fellow Minmatar send me lovely letters of how they could pimp thier ships to face an Avatar.

In todays Installement we picked Rudis (name randomely chosen by redaction) entry:

Quote:
hey Tiu, you rock. I got a question for you. I have a big and rowdy neighbour called möller, müller or something. Anyway he got himself an Avatar recently and i might have to face him in my Wolf. I love that ship and dont really want to use another ship, can you help me here, can i face his Doomsdaywaepon in a frig?



dont despair i'll show you right away, how you can survive in your Wolf, when facing Mr. Möller in his Avatar


Mr. Möller is prolly a scary guy so i assume he has max skills:


Doomsdayoperation skill at lvl 5 ( DA BOMB! )
(Wolf max hp skills)

raw dmg 56250


Wolf armour HP after skills: 781,25

initial resist: 92,5%
with 2 energized reflective membranes and lvl 4 em compensation skill: 97,73125%

doomsday dmg after resists now: 1276,17~

lets add a rolled 200mm tungsten plate to the wolf now

new hp: 1306


Fazit: Dear Rudi if you equip a 200mm rolled tungsten plate and 2 enrgized reflective membranes with lvl 4 em compensation skills then you should be rdy to face an Avatar any day. GO GET HIM Rudi





Sadayiel
Caldari
Inner Conflict
Posted - 2006.06.18 03:27:00 - [7]
 

just 2 words...

*wrecking hits*

Exiled One
Amarr
Posted - 2006.06.18 04:43:00 - [8]
 

Dear god Shocked CCP FIX AMARR OR IM CANCELLING MY 583958 ACCOUNTS. Neutral

FFGR
Maza Nostra
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.06.18 04:53:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Exiled One
Dear god Shocked CCP FIX AMARR OR IM CANCELLING MY 583958 ACCOUNTS. Neutral


I think we just found either Enslaver's or Kayosoni's spy alt LaughingLaughingLaughing

Methuselar
Posted - 2006.06.18 05:18:00 - [10]
 

The topic.... Shame or joke?

Ather Ialeas
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2006.06.18 08:45:00 - [11]
 

This thread beats the morning coffee I was just about to have.Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2006.06.18 10:17:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Sadayiel
just 2 words...

*wrecking hits*
doomsday weapons have wrecking hits?Shocked

Taira Reikon
Caldari
Solar Dragons
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2006.06.18 10:59:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Sadayiel
just 2 words...

*wrecking hits*


Surely they do a flat amount of damage like a smartbomb? I admit I haven't tested any of my 4 recently, so i'm not 100% on that....

HippoKing
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.06.18 11:07:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Sadayiel
just 2 words...

*wrecking hits*


I've only been hit 4-5 times by them, but I've only ever had "hits for you", rather than any misses/excellents/scratches/wrecks

Testy Mctest
Posted - 2006.06.18 11:15:00 - [15]
 

I would imagine they're the same as smartbombs - ie, fixed damage.

000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
Posted - 2006.06.18 11:16:00 - [16]
 

Now back to the real EVE world, how big is the chance an Avatar and a Munnin will face each other 1 vs 1? Wink

Just a good thing capships don't have a 'roadkill' bonus, where they can just run u over, it would be like a truck running over a rabbit Twisted Evil

Swiftness
Caldari
VMF-214 Blacksheep
Posted - 2006.06.18 11:23:00 - [17]
 

Nice post ! This info was very needed Very Happy
I'll never undock again without those modules on my Muninn !

Bazman
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2006.06.18 11:26:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Bazman on 18/06/2006 11:27:25
My mate survived a Leviatians doomsday weapon in a plated Deimos with a damage control fitted on sisi. Can't remember what hardening he had on (Might have been EANM IIs) but he came out of it with half structure :P

HippoKing
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2006.06.18 11:29:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Bazman
Edited by: Bazman on 18/06/2006 11:27:25
My mate survived a Leviatians doomsday weapon in a plated Deimos with a damage control fitted on sisi. Can't remember what hardening he had on (Might have been EANM IIs) but he came out of it with half structure :P


My raven surivived without the shields dropping. Didn't have good doomsday op skills afaik though. That was with 4 PDUs, a damage control, extenders and general hardening.

Deadeye Dave
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2006.06.18 11:40:00 - [20]
 

Well this made me laugh so I thought we needed some size comparison. After looking at this. I made this.


Crellion
Parental Control
Merciless.
Posted - 2006.06.18 11:54:00 - [21]
 

Please someone make a post of how an Eagle with extenders and a med shield booster can tank 2 Gallente Dreads if they dont sychronise their doosday thingys.

Also a thread about how a gist Harpy with 1 med ext and 2 thermalIIs can tank successive Gallente doomsday blasts every 30 ses.. Very needed pls do Confused

Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2006.06.18 12:43:00 - [22]
 

Got a corp mate who can beat any doomsday device in a Zealot, theoretically. Practically, you need to cut armour and shields by about 25% due to damage leaking.

Back in the good old days of the overpowered missiles I got hit by 3 5x damage mod Doom torps in a Megathron. I had about 40% armour left and 20% shield and also a tiny bit of hull damage.

Tiuwaz
Minmatar
No Paradise
Posted - 2006.06.18 14:13:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Deadeye Dave
Well this made me laugh so I thought we needed some size comparison. After looking at this. I made this.





LaughingLaughing

El Ponja
Amarr
Posted - 2006.06.18 15:22:00 - [24]
 

so this proves the point of the amarr "whining" threats, right? Rolling Eyes

Sarmaul
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2006.06.18 16:03:00 - [25]
 

I approve of this thread.

Blind Man
Caldari
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2006.06.18 16:05:00 - [26]
 

MATARI CAN TANK THE ONLY DAMAGE TYPE THEY ARE MADE TO TANK NERF NERF NERF

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2006.06.18 16:26:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Commander Thrawn
and so you proove our point,
switch em for thermal and give us a only explosive tech2 crystal


We'll take awy some turret slots and give you a few launcher slots instead.Razz

Tiuwaz
Minmatar
No Paradise
Posted - 2006.06.18 16:35:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Blind Man
MATARI CAN TANK THE ONLY DAMAGE TYPE THEY ARE MADE TO TANK NERF NERF NERF



<3

Ather Ialeas
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2006.06.18 17:25:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Commander Thrawn
and so you proove our point,
switch em for thermal and give us a only explosive tech2 crystal


We'll take awy some turret slots and give you a few launcher slots instead.Razz


Make it so (for Khanid ships).


 

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