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Harliquin's Shadow
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2006.04.05 15:21:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: sexybabee
there were 2 battles the first was a success to the ga,nbsi and suprm.

on the second batlle they were out numbered 3 to 1 and the losses were about equal.

check out the kill boards for the full story, just remember that not all losses are posted but you can be sure all killmails are posted.

if you have the time to troll the boards then let us know the true result


I would dispute part of your comment:

Whilst in absolute ship losses I would agree that Supremacy and co. certainly did the better, in relative terms of types of ship losses etc the result was generally even.

I agree there were two battles, I would say that neither were definative victories to either side.

I think your opinion is somewhat biased. Confused

Stuart Ward
Amarr
Precision Engineering
Insurgency
Posted - 2006.04.05 17:31:00 - [182]
 

Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: Harliquin's Shadow
[UPDATE]

JQA / MK7 calm down - but only for a while

Following on from this reporter's startling revelation that Supremacy had not only broken away from positive standings with O.S.S., but had begun a concerted campaign against them, it's time for short update.

A moderately large fleet battle occured just within the bounds of the JQA / MK7 constellation over last weekend where it is apparent that Supremacy forces built up to combat the significant numbers of Goonfleet et al.

It would appear, that whilst Goonfleet do not pack a punch individually, it certainly can as a group. Both Supremacy, and a certain Geeklab dreadnaught pilot can testify to that Razz.

The fleet battle appears to have been a good one, but where no signficant victory by either side has been testified to. Of note is that both sides seemed to enjoy it greatly, with little smack-talk. Losses appear to have been about equal, which leads O.S.S (with superior numbers) to hold the high ground still.

Since then this reporter has attempted to understand the current situation which, as mentioned above, is a slighly clouded.

We understand that Supremacy and a loose collection of the recently ousted NBSI alliance continue to hold vigil in the systems of M2 - IIRH, with occasional sorties into O.S.S territory beyond 8-J.

There are scattered rumours of a largely French alliance (Galactic Aurora?) also being sighted in force within these same fringe JQA systems. Their purpose is, at present, largely unknown.

O.S.S. appear to have put this issue on a slight back burner since then, content to wait for more aggresive action from the would be attackers. This could be cunning ploy on the part of the alliance however. It has been noted that large gate camps from Goonfleet have been reported in their home systems.

What will happen in the coming weeks will be interesting to see. Supremacy, without a home or their old friends will have significant choices to make. Their transformation to a holding / siege force is in stark contrast to previous heroic stories, but it may only be temporary.
Watch this space.


I think there are more -A- than everyone else put together.

I dont know what fleet battle you're talking about, but if it's the one I was in, we killed 12 bs and lost 1 afaik, starting with 16bs to their 30bs. They also dictated range had drones already deployed and used an interdictor bubble.

OSS jumped in.

Deros's covert lag warped when he jumped in before the fleet :(



I don't want to turn this post into a smackfest, but Tolon, that simply isn't true.

The first fight we killed 6-7 battleships and cleared your camp out.

The second fight i'll hold my hands up and say you won, you jumped into us yes, but you also had three times the numbers that we had.

I can't see the reason why people have to stretch the truth

Stu

Mr rooflez
Gallente
Rens 911
Posted - 2006.04.05 17:41:00 - [183]
 

Yeah it was two different battles, the first one we were totally outgunned but still chose to engage and lost most of our force. The second one we outgunned you but you held your ground, with the same result there. Credits to you for not safespotting.

Oceana
Caldari
Black Lance
Posted - 2006.04.05 20:08:00 - [184]
 

Originally by: Harliquin's Shadow
Originally by: sexybabee
there were 2 battles the first was a success to the ga,nbsi and suprm.

on the second batlle they were out numbered 3 to 1 and the losses were about equal.

check out the kill boards for the full story, just remember that not all losses are posted but you can be sure all killmails are posted.

if you have the time to troll the boards then let us know the true result


I would dispute part of your comment:

Whilst in absolute ship losses I would agree that Supremacy and co. certainly did the better, in relative terms of types of ship losses etc the result was generally even.

I agree there were two battles, I would say that neither were definative victories to either side.

I think your opinion is somewhat biased. Confused


Just for accuracy.

Our side: Surpremacy, Black Reign Syndicate Alliance (Clankillers etc), Galactic Aurora Alliance, NBSI Alliance, assorted allied corps

Their side: Goonwaffe, Goonfleet, BOS, 3rd Front Alliance, other assorted O.S.S. corps

YARRRR!!


KIATolon
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.04.05 21:30:00 - [185]
 

Edited by: KIATolon on 05/04/2006 21:31:20
Originally by: Stuart Ward

I don't want to turn this post into a smackfest, but Tolon, that simply isn't true.

The first fight we killed 6-7 battleships and cleared your camp out.

The second fight i'll hold my hands up and say you won, you jumped into us yes, but you also had three times the numbers that we had.

I can't see the reason why people have to stretch the truth

Stu

If the 120 is 3x 60 (your gang) then yes we did have three times your number. I cant see why people need to stretch the truth either.

:)

I wasn't in the first fight, and the killmail shows 6 or 7 bs kills to the OSS gang, as well as the 6-7 losses. I cant see why people need to stretch the truth either.

You still had 30 bs to our 16 AND tried to lag the gate out.

Superior numbers are one thing, but it still takes superior tactics to kill a sniping enemy of 30 bs when you have to jump into a system and there's a bubble up on the gate.
Quote:

Just for accuracy.

Our side: Surpremacy, Black Reign Syndicate Alliance (Clankillers etc), Galactic Aurora Alliance, NBSI Alliance, assorted allied corps

Their side: Goonwaffe, Goonfleet, BOS, 3rd Front Alliance, other assorted O.S.S. corps

Just for accuracy
your side = Surpremacy, Black Reign Syndicate Alliance (Clankillers etc), Galactic Aurora Alliance, NBSI Alliance, assorted allied corps
our side = OSS, 3FA, BOS

Stamm
Amarr
RHC
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.04.05 21:48:00 - [186]
 

OSS is not defined, pay the 1 bil for the alliance if you want it defined.

For the first fight we had 70 in gang, and around 60-65 ships there.
For the second fight we had 46 in gang and 40-45 there. I know there were 46 in gang because I looked at gang just before you jumped through.

There was at least one other corp other than Goonfleet/Goonwaffe there. Can you post a list of the corps 'in' OSS?

As for the first fight, if you are looking at the killmails for an accurate number, then why are you coming out with 6-7? It's either 6 or 7. You don't get half a kill for taking it into structure :P

The losses in the first battle were smaller than that from what I saw on gangchat. We lost as far as I remember 3 BSs, a HAC (someone had too much cash) and an interdictor. We killed plenty - but not that many BSs. It did amuse me that I heard on vent after the first fight, someone who was in S-U say 'My god, look at all the pods'. But you beat us the second fight - our losses weren't extreme, but we did lose several battleships.

Stuart Ward
Amarr
Precision Engineering
Insurgency
Posted - 2006.04.05 21:58:00 - [187]
 

Now i know why i don't post on this forum.

Smacktastic

EL TITAN
Caldari
Red Sky Morning
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2006.04.05 22:08:00 - [188]
 

Edited by: EL TITAN on 05/04/2006 22:23:29
this thread is dissapointing :(

Ohmite
Minmatar
Kasparov Stratagems
Posted - 2006.04.05 22:32:00 - [189]
 

All I shall say on the topic is look at the kill boards of both goon and supremacy and you will get a good idea of the way things are going

What people post here is always tainted with some bias we had 2-1 no it was 3-1 etc, all I will say Supremacy are happy to engage against superior numbers but sometimes you need to know when to withdraw - A smart FC knows when to fight and when not to, if you have smaller numbers then you need to be smart and pick ur fights, fight on ur terms,

So if you are interested in whats happening dont believe hype and bull**** written here but look at the real story behind on the killboards you might just see a different story than what goon and BOS are posting.


Beringe
Caldari
Mercurialis Inc.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2006.04.05 23:59:00 - [190]
 

A little general correction:

JQV5-9
is the name of a constellation.

JQA is the name of a disbanded alliance that used to reside there.

That is all.

KIATolon
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.04.06 00:05:00 - [191]
 

Edited by: KIATolon on 06/04/2006 00:07:41
Originally by: Ohmite
All I shall say on the topic is look at the kill boards of both goon and supremacy and you will get a good idea of the way things are going

What people post here is always tainted with some bias we had 2-1 no it was 3-1 etc, all I will say Supremacy are happy to engage against superior numbers but sometimes you need to know when to withdraw - A smart FC knows when to fight and when not to, if you have smaller numbers then you need to be smart and pick ur fights, fight on ur terms,

So if you are interested in whats happening dont believe hype and bull**** written here but look at the real story behind on the killboards you might just see a different story than what goon and BOS are posting.




Who was the FC in the fight you lost?

What are your goals? If they're to kick us from syndicate than you're making no progress what so ever.

If it's to kill the OSS then I find it odd that just a few weeks ago you were saying it is weak to shoot GF.

Remedial
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.04.06 00:18:00 - [192]
 

Edited by: Remedial on 06/04/2006 00:37:34
Edited by: Remedial on 06/04/2006 00:18:43
People keep talking about the huge supremacy/everyone vs. OSS fight on April 2nd.

(link removed) 21 BS kills to 8 BS losses that day. 11 Inty kills, 2 losses. 6 AF kills, 1 loss. What exactly did NBSI/SUPR/206 kill that day? 50 cruisers and 51 frigs, and they lost 14 cruisers and 11 frigs.

Something tells me that this isn't some sort of "resounding victory" when every goon BS was loaded with T1 equip and the vast majority of enemy losses were filled with T2 gear.

KIATolon
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.04.06 00:21:00 - [193]
 

doh, now you've done it

Stamm
Amarr
RHC
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2006.04.06 00:45:00 - [194]
 

I don't think the killboards are going to give us an accurate picture of kills to losses.

For example the Goonfleet board shows them with 494 losses to NBSI, in total. While the NBSI killboard shows 1146 losses from Goons to NBSI since 05/03/06.

Calenth
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.04.06 01:19:00 - [195]
 

We don't claim our killboard is completey accurate, and never have -- we have too many new players who often don't even know what a killboard *is* the first few times they get ganked. So a lot of rookie ship and t1 frig kills never make the killboard, despite our best efforts (and even considering that, our killboards show over 1800 frigates lost, total, so it can hardly be said we deliberately hide our losses).

That said, if our stats for non-newbie ships -- battleships or t2 ships -- are in error, feel free to correct them. I believe Remedial's numbers for the engagements in question are reasonably accurate.

Cringeley
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.04.06 03:28:00 - [196]
 

Originally by: Calenth
That said, if our stats for non-newbie ships -- battleships or t2 ships -- are in error, feel free to correct them. I believe Remedial's numbers for the engagements in question are reasonably accurate.
Yeah mostly when a goonfleet battleship goes *pop* the pilot is aware of the obligation to killboard it. Mostly. But like Calenth said, we don't back our killboard the way some corps do. It's only a rough guide.

Marovinchian
Gallente
Mean Corp
Mean Coalition
Posted - 2006.04.06 03:36:00 - [197]
 

Originally by: Cringeley
Originally by: Calenth
That said, if our stats for non-newbie ships -- battleships or t2 ships -- are in error, feel free to correct them. I believe Remedial's numbers for the engagements in question are reasonably accurate.
Yeah mostly when a goonfleet battleship goes *pop* the pilot is aware of the obligation to killboard it. Mostly. But like Calenth said, we don't back our killboard the way some corps do. It's only a rough guide.


If your are claiming your killboard is only a rough guide you may want your ceo to stop qouting figures off of it like it's gospel truth...just a suggestion ugh

Cringeley
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.04.06 03:44:00 - [198]
 

Edited by: Cringeley on 06/04/2006 03:46:05
Originally by: Marovinchian
Originally by: Cringeley
Originally by: Calenth
That said, if our stats for non-newbie ships -- battleships or t2 ships -- are in error, feel free to correct them. I believe Remedial's numbers for the engagements in question are reasonably accurate.
Yeah mostly when a goonfleet battleship goes *pop* the pilot is aware of the obligation to killboard it. Mostly. But like Calenth said, we don't back our killboard the way some corps do. It's only a rough guide.


If your are claiming your killboard is only a rough guide you may want your ceo to stop qouting figures off of it like it's gospel truth...just a suggestion ugh
Our CEO made a claim about battleship kills, and our killboard is pretty much accurate in that respect as far as I know. I'm sure it's not out by a factore of two to one. The response from NBSI was about overall kill numbers, which mostly don't concern us because we are prepared to write off large numbers of T1 frigate and cruiser losses.

Ohmite
Minmatar
Kasparov Stratagems
Posted - 2006.04.06 07:57:00 - [199]
 

Edited by: Ohmite on 06/04/2006 07:58:52
Edited by: Ohmite on 06/04/2006 07:57:27
In responce to accuracy of killboards, these figures are taken directly from Goonfleet killboard so you would expect them to flatter them as some losses may be not posted. I have no idea how their killboard works or calculates these figures so I am not saying they are 100% accurate but their figures do seem to show a different story from what is being trolled on the forums

Totals for Supremacy on Goonfleet Killboard

.................Kills Losses
Assault Frigate 21 8
Cruiser 53 7
Heavy Assault 5 1
Recon 0 0
Battlecruiser 11 2
Destroyer 7 0
Industrial 4 0
Shuttle 6 0
Battleship 42 10
Dreadnought 0 0
Interceptor 13 8
Titan 0 0
Carrier 0 0
Exhumer 0 0
Interdictor 0 0
Transport 1 0
Command 0 0
Freighter 0 0
Logistics 0 0
Covops 2 0
Frigate 59 2
Mining Barge 2 0

KIATolon
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.04.06 08:31:00 - [200]
 

so you killed 5% of GF's total number and they've killed 60% of your corps total number...
Just another way to look at it.

If I lost 5% of my fleet and killed 60% of the enemy's fleet I'd call that a victory. Remember the ****'s in Russia....

Stats are interesting but easily twistable, and I think that's one of the reasons they're banned from these forums.

You can call whatever you want a victory. Hell you can pod me 1000 times in a row and never lose a ship but as your goal is to take syndicate - you have FAILED till you do that, and tbh the only chance I see of you doing that is if we get bored, pack up and leave.

This thread has more than run it's course.

Ohmite
Minmatar
Kasparov Stratagems
Posted - 2006.04.06 09:17:00 - [201]
 

I dont remember anyone saying we wanted to take Syndicate

We like to PVP and thats what we are doing so we are happy, we play EVE for fun not for any grand ideals of taking over the world.

KIATolon
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.04.06 09:39:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: Oceana
I wasn't joking when I suggested putting a "contested" into Lower Syndicate. NBSI Alliance, Black Reign Syndicate, Supremacy and Galactic Aurora effectively control Y9G and surrounding systems. That totals over 600 members fighting OSS "Alliance," and living in the area. (Not even counting other allied corps that are not formally in our Alliances.)

Originally by: Oceana
Getting back to the map: we're not especially contesting S-U (yet), although NBSI have people who live in that system full time now, lol. However,we are certainly part of the group that claims Y9G and M2-, which is the area that I'm saying is contested for the purposes of the map.


Perhaps NBSI forget to send you memo ;)
lol

Pychian Vanervi
Caldari
Solar Revenue Service
TAXU
Posted - 2006.04.06 10:02:00 - [203]
 

Originally by: Ohmite
I dont remember anyone saying we wanted to take Syndicate

We like to PVP and thats what we are doing so we are happy, we play EVE for fun not for any grand ideals of taking over the world.


Ohmite what about Phase 1 of our master plan???? or was that not meant to be public? ugh

Trac3rt
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2006.04.06 10:12:00 - [204]
 

Originally by: Ohmite
In responce to accuracy of killboards, these figures are taken directly from Goonfleet killboard


These figures are completely inaccurate. The reason being that you have just swapped sides. Most of those kills are not Goonfleet losses, but are in fact Supremacy assists on Goonfleet kills (or the other way around).

This is a technical limitation of our killboard, to get an accurate count you need to only count the kills/losses incurred since you defected. I do not know if our killboard can filter by this at all.

KIATolon
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.04.06 10:16:00 - [205]
 

Originally by: Trac3rt
Originally by: Ohmite
In responce to accuracy of killboards, these figures are taken directly from Goonfleet killboard


These figures are completely inaccurate. The reason being that you have just swapped sides. Most of those kills are not Goonfleet losses, but are in fact Supremacy assists on Goonfleet kills (or the other way around).

This is a technical limitation of our killboard, to get an accurate count you need to only count the kills/losses incurred since you defected. I do not know if our killboard can filter by this at all.


ROFL.


Pychian Vanervi
Caldari
Solar Revenue Service
TAXU
Posted - 2006.04.06 10:21:00 - [206]
 


I think you will find kills of BS for both sides total are about equal since the hostilities started.... now how about we end this bulls4it on here and get down to business in game?

Just a thought....

Miss Overlord
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2006.04.06 10:28:00 - [207]
 

mmmm goonfleet are yet to be challanged - tho if BOB pay a visit on their way back from smashing trust - things could change.

Silenne Otsaku
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.04.06 10:37:00 - [208]
 

Edited by: Silenne Otsaku on 06/04/2006 10:37:39
the story is all about fun ... stop with this number, number mean nothing.

and for the battle of start of aprils, for me the 2 battles are nearly equals.

1st battle : lost heretic + pod (not a lot of lag, only decloacking 1st 4tl)
2nd battle : lost heretic + pod (got some lag here)

at the end of the days we have fun and it's all count.

Fighting on board is funny, but mean nothing at the end of the threads !

Harliquin's Shadow
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2006.04.06 10:44:00 - [209]
 

Originally by: Silenne Otsaku
Edited by: Silenne Otsaku on 06/04/2006 10:37:39
the story is all about fun ... stop with this number, number mean nothing.

and for the battle of start of aprils, for me the 2 battles are nearly equals.

1st battle : lost heretic + pod (not a lot of lag, only decloacking 1st 4tl)
2nd battle : lost heretic + pod (got some lag here)

at the end of the days we have fun and it's all count.

Fighting on board is funny, but mean nothing at the end of the threads !


Agreed!

The point of this thread was not to flame, or to boast of numbers, just let people know what was going on.

Personally I ignore posts about the outcome of battles if the poster is part of either fighting party.

Believing such people equates to reading about the "benefits of smoking", sponsered by a cigarette company! Razz

It does seem however that this little corner of the galaxy is very quiet, relative to some of the other epic goings on at the monent.

Good luck to all!

The Chef
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.04.06 10:45:00 - [210]
 

Originally by: Beringe
A little general correction:

JQV5-9
is the name of a constellation.

JQA is the name of a disbanded alliance that used to reside there.

That is all.


Gah you beat me too it! Laughing

Still, nice to know that a year and a bit later people still thinking of it as our space.


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