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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.03.21 13:55:00 - [1]
 

I'm going to take you back some years now. To a time where stories of corporate schenanigans, mysterious research, and betrayal, caught the attentions of EVE players and involved them in the actions of EVE characters as part of an ongoing story. I speak of course of the Crielere incident.

For those who haven't played this game for very long, this was a story driven event where the player news, where you currently see mostly meaningless news items now, was suddenly filled with an ongoing multipart news story about all sorts of mysterious scientific research to go on at a new facility in the Crielere system. It was a story about two races coming together in peace to create a kind of thinktank, and the incident ended up sparking conflict.

I remember kicking myself at work as I read about unfolding events where players were involved in the actual conflict surrounding the station, and wishing I'd taken the day off.

In the end, the whole story and event about the attacked and ransacked research station was designed to kick off the release of tech2 content for the game. It was a brilliant example of one of the things I've come to love about this game and the people who make it: their ability to integrate new ideas into the game not only technically, but through an excellent use of fiction and backstory.

Which brings me to more recent events. Overnight, suddenly we've got new ships on the market (Recon cruisers, Interdictors, etc.). And the Blood patch,w here one day everything's status quo, then the next day huzzah, we've got all new bloodlines.

Now I'm not raising as an issue the actual content itself. While I might not really care about the new bloodlines, new ships and gear are always welcome to stir the pot up. But to have it just dropped in my lap like that is kind of... I don't know, underwhelming in a way. There's no theatrics to it, no mystery to what might come... it's like Christmas, where Santa comes at 10 in the morning while you're eating breakfast, holding a bunch of Best Buy and Walmart bags, dumps the unwrapped stuff on your front doorstep, and rings your doorbell.

This isn't a rant or anything, but more of me pointing out that recently something's been missing around here. I like to think it's something that made this game stand out just that little bit more than the others.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2006.03.21 14:07:00 - [2]
 

I'm with you 100% WB.

I was at Cierlere (lost a scorp), and it was amazing.
The great thing was how long it lasted. The whole thing spanned days, and at the end we understood where new game Tech (cloaking) actually came from.

Added to that is the whole backstory about the event (sorry, forget the name), which makes a great read, expanding the whole 'reality' of the in game actions.

It was that event that made me want so desperately to become part of the events team. The whole thing was exactly how events should be. The acting, the logistics, the encounters, the story, the material impact upon the game fiction and mechanics, outstanding.
Still waiting on the events post, and even though I am sure I would be a great addition to the team, I don't hold out too much hope.

SadSad

CynWulf
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2006.03.21 14:08:00 - [3]
 

The man has a point.


But I'm sure if he combs his hair the right way no one will notice..

/me looks at pill bottle ....ohhh take 2! pills 4! times a day.

that explains allot.

Sensor Error
SensorTech Industries
Posted - 2006.03.21 14:09:00 - [4]
 

Another good example is the whole cloaking technology thing with the jovian who got split into a zillion different pieces whilst mucking about with jump drives.

Dreamdancer
Minmatar
Blancmange Interstellar Kilts
Archaean Cooperative
Posted - 2006.03.21 14:12:00 - [5]
 

Agree Winter. New Bloodlines? New Ships? New gear? All well and good, but it would have been great had just one new system in each empire were discovered and wow here's these new peoples and their tech that they bring with them to the empire. Wouldn't have been that difficult I think. (not being a dev myself I could be wrong Razz)

Maybe have setup an npc that appears speaking in local asking for help. Those that reply first are given bm's to this place the npc discovered but was attacked and now can't get back there himself. Once the players make the warp to the bm's maybe have a local npc pirate fleet living there that need to be cleared and a gate opens, permanently for all to use. Beyond the gate is the new system and bloodline and their tech. Some diplomacy chances could have been there as well. Maybe a chance for a player corp to get an opportunity like that of the Ishukone Corp in the Jove backstory.

But in the end players themselves would have opened the content for all to use instead of it just going poof here ya go.

Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.03.21 14:14:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Avon
The whole thing was exactly how events should be. The acting, the logistics, the encounters, the story, the material impact upon the game fiction and mechanics, outstanding.

The fact that players were not only reading about it, but could go there and take part in the action, was awesome. Obviously not everyone could take part for various reasons, but reading about this kind of thing going on was just amazing. Ever since then it has been the event by which all other ingame events have been judged, in this game and others.

I remember when the new Bloodlines were announced, I went to the PNC, thinking "Man, I wonder how they're going to write this up, story wise", only to find... nothing. And still nothing, to this day.

Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.03.21 14:19:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Dreamdancer
But in the end players themselves would have opened the content for all to use instead of it just going poof here ya go.

Admittedly there has to be a balance there between player involvement and CCP directed content. After all, you don't want to plan this big immense thing only for some guy to fit up an ubertank, rush through an encounter and open the loot can at the end to end finish the event an hour after it started. :)

That being said, the Crielere thing was an awesome example of things done right. Over the course of several days, our involvement ranged from reading today's new story bit on the news all the way to people jumping in ships and getting into fights with NPCs brought in as part of the story.

I think the best part of that was that at the bottom of those stories you didn't have the News Item For Dummies hint that you could click on and see exactly what you need to do, what's going on, and what is coming. I can see in certain circumstances those being handy, but maybe just a way of differentiating important news items (stories, events, etc) from pointles ones would be better.

Boonaki
Caldari
Focused Annihilation
Detrimental Imperative
Posted - 2006.03.21 14:28:00 - [8]
 

Agree a 100%, there has been a drop in quality events for some time now. It used to be there was always some sort of event going on. The events today seem to be getting to involved with player alliances (not that I mind) and less involved with the eve story itself.

I blame the China server!!! (kidding)

Wanoah
Minmatar
Msana Foundation
Posted - 2006.03.21 14:46:00 - [9]
 

I'm not sure that the news items we see now are meaningless - they are all about events taking place around Eve that players are involved in, after all. What is true is that none of those events are changing the world, although pirate factions' attempts at aligning themselves with 0.0 alliances is a pretty significant development.

You are 100% correct about new content appearing magically without any preamble though. As recently as the Exodus expansion there were at least news articles that started introducing the new content to the world. The ORE mining barges stand out in my mind for some reason.

After Exodus, the ball really was dropped when it came to dynamic content, CCP-led events, and storyline development. We've had a Gallente election that started well over a year ago and remains stalled. The Amarr Emperor has been dead for ages with no signs of anything being done about that. We've had unexplained standings changes (the Republic and the Thukker tribes become enemies overnight - it's a bit like Britain and France cutting all diplomatic relations suddenly without explanation), and like you say, new content suddenly materialising in the world without any fanfare or explanation.

Like many people, I like the world that CCP have created, and it pains me to see it neglected in the way it seems to have been for the last year. There's not really much that can be done about most of this now - I guess we can hope for some chrons to give some backstory to some of the recently added features, and we can hope that now CCP have moved to bigger offices and have recruited more people, they will be able to devote some more time to this sort of thing. I also fervently hope that the Kali content will be introduced in style - it's such a shame that carriers and motherships and TITANS(!) have just quietly slipped into reality.

Boonaki
Caldari
Focused Annihilation
Detrimental Imperative
Posted - 2006.03.21 14:48:00 - [10]
 

Supposedly the carriers and motherships had been around for some time, but I would of like to have atleast seen a story on their rebirth into modern warefare.

The new bloodlines were purely for the China shard/asian players.

Wanoah
Minmatar
Msana Foundation
Posted - 2006.03.21 14:51:00 - [11]
 

Oh, and I'd like to see more stuff about the corporate side of Eve. The corporation is pretty fundamental, in my opinion, but a lot of emphasis has shifted towards alliances, factions and power blocs. In part, that was a motivation behind writing Barriers - a return to the corporate politics that is the real backdrop to the game we play.

Prodgen
Gallente
Industrial Solutions Group
Posted - 2006.03.21 14:55:00 - [12]
 

Titans came into the game when Serpentis jacked one Laughing

Dreamdancer
Minmatar
Blancmange Interstellar Kilts
Archaean Cooperative
Posted - 2006.03.21 14:56:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Boonaki
Supposedly the carriers and motherships had been around for some time, but I would of like to have atleast seen a story on their rebirth into modern warefare.

The new bloodlines were purely for the China shard/asian players.


Yes, it would have been cool to have some player involved storyline that got the ships from being just military access to player access. Some theft of the blueprints and then spreading them onto the market available for purchase ect....

Kerushi
Naval Protection Corp
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2006.03.21 15:00:00 - [14]
 

hmm the massacare at the crielle research facilities and after the event the massive invasion by like 50 bship rats at a moon Laughing

Khaldorn Murino
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.03.21 15:17:00 - [15]
 

Winter, I love you. I could not agree more.

Bring on the content. Everyone loves it! I mean, it brings depth to this game. It brings excitement, it makes it alive.

Lets hope for the future.


Hafthor
Gallente
The Fated
E.Y
Posted - 2006.03.21 15:18:00 - [16]
 

Yes.. I agree totally with the OP. I was at Crielere and some other events in the early days and I must say they were a lot more fun, but then again thy got to be so popular that it became a problem. PvP specialists started camping eventgoers and this led to some problems for the producers.

This aside I am still utterly totally stupefied at the fact that the backstory pages still list Krusual as one of the main tribes of the Republic while the Vherokior hardly get mentioned. Link
This is just the most glaringly obvious example of absolutely no effort being put into backing up the ingame content with a little storytelling.

The races part of the backstory page seriously need some love IMO

Azuriel Talloth
M. Corp
M. PIRE
Posted - 2006.03.21 15:22:00 - [17]
 

I would love CCP to slow down a bit (not saying they're too fast already!), and bring back this kind of thing. Quality > Quantity after all Cool

Idara
Caldari
Queens of the Stone Age
Posted - 2006.03.21 15:29:00 - [18]
 

Do something with my Jovian bits CCP!

Lallara Zhuul
Amarr
Path of Thorns
Posted - 2006.03.21 15:55:00 - [19]
 

Indeed.

EVE seemed to be full of life.

NPCs doing this and that, Players able to help in forging the ongoing tale that is EVE.

Now it seems like all we now have is echoes of good old times coming down the corridors that push people to 0.0 because there is no new content.

Varis
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2006.03.21 15:56:00 - [20]
 

Most definently.

I loved the Crielere events, and wish there were much much more things of this calibre. Those events are the sort of thing that really use the "one server" to the most effect - special events that change the way we look at the New Eden cluster.

More please CCP!!!

Jerek Laz
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2006.03.21 15:56:00 - [21]
 

Bring back the love!

The world is dynamic, we can change things, but only on a market level it seems!

Let us feel that we can make a difference as more than just science fiction shoppers :D

"We have a spillage on system five, and a reduction on Tachyons on system 3! Two for one!"

When do we get our Emperor back? Why are the planet populaces just sitting by whilst the Gallente elections have ground to a halt?!

Content is good, but it's not fun if the world is static and sterile.

CCP have done an excellent job, but now methinks there's a standard to maintain! :D

w0rmy
Destructive Influence
Posted - 2006.03.21 15:58:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Idara
Do something with my Jovian bits CCP!


Where do I send the cleaning bill for getting this coffee off my keyboard?

Kastar
Paragon Horizons
THORN Alliance
Posted - 2006.03.21 15:59:00 - [23]
 

Signed for a 100%

I care less about the next patch than the tying together of the backstory. Agreed on the remarks about the content itself too. I'd like to hear who developed a recon ship. Which empire started reusing motherships, who engineered the titan...


jason hill
Caldari
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2006.03.21 16:05:00 - [24]
 

aye !! the crielere event was very good fun Smile

Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2006.03.21 16:09:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Wanoah
Oh, and I'd like to see more stuff about the corporate side of Eve. The corporation is pretty fundamental, in my opinion, but a lot of emphasis has shifted towards alliances, factions and power blocs. In part, that was a motivation behind writing Barriers - a return to the corporate politics that is the real backdrop to the game we play.

Shameless self promotion, nice. :)

And I agree, the corporate stuff could be played up a bit. The tech2 ships we have are in fact products of two competing faction corporations of each particular race. Imagine if instead of having all tech2 ships of a particular type being dumped on us at once, ONE corporation starts off an arms race.

Imagine if the Deimos (as an example) was the only HAC to be released, initially. Suddenly all the other corporations would scramble to release their own, over time. Eventually all would be out, but for a brief period there a specific race would have an advantage.

Dirtball
PinK Tac0 ReasearcH
Posted - 2006.03.21 16:10:00 - [26]
 

Hate to hate but your in an alliance that stays in empire dude, your involved in about 1/20 of what you can do in this game and your in total safety of everyone, but those you choose to war.

This game does standout above the rest cause you make your own content. The simple fact of the matter is content is running all the time but we cant have 1500 people in one system everytime a few Aurora bs show up.

There was content in pf the other day like 2 ishtars, vindicators, carriers, but that was 0.0 and having 1000+ in one system would've made that content uber lame for those that did show up.

Go to 0.0 run for your life a few times, gank some intys while 2 dominixs go 100m/s towards you.

You want content go join Burn Eden, Petition Inc. or Penetrate and you'll see what a real eve corp is.

gfldex
Posted - 2006.03.21 16:16:00 - [27]
 

OK, let's take a quick look into the future.

A char starts to write in fancy colors in local in system foo. A few ppl who sit in foo and happyly mining take a look at their screens to see how there mac... err mining is going. They mention the fancy color and start to tell their friends and corpies.

A few minutes later the local is filling with ppl that want to know what's going on. The event is going on (how is not importent in this case) and times passes by. Somebody talks about the ongoing even in a channel where the DJ in charge is hanging about. He tells on eve-radio. Some minutes later the travel advisory is closing the system. Game over!

I really hate it to break your Idea Winterblink but as I see this we have to move such events to 0.0 and will still risk ppl getting stuck.

Alexis DeTocqueville
Na Geanna Fiaine
Posted - 2006.03.21 16:17:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Alexis DeTocqueville on 21/03/2006 16:17:14
I don't quite agree with your message Winterblink, but I do feel that the news service is a joke right now. The corporate profiles are every other day, and when there's no 0.0 conflicts they just write about a corporate buyout or something. It's like a chronic "Slow News Day".

Graelyn
Amarr
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2006.03.21 16:19:00 - [29]
 

Big agreement.

Khaldorn Murino
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.03.21 16:19:00 - [30]
 

The stuck issue is a non issue if the event is ran properly, as for the geezer on about 0.0 real corps. Yeah, we all been there, some of us live there, what that has to do with this discussion is quite beyond me however.

Back on track people.


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