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Slaveabuser
Amarr
House Of Hades
Posted - 2006.03.12 09:50:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: SpaceDrake Storyteller
Edited by: SpaceDrake

http://www.eve-online.com.cn

Some of it still seems incomplete (chronicles section), but most of it's there...





Whis is this guy then, a Chinese dev?Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Xavier Arron
Minmatar
The Knights of Ni
Posted - 2006.03.12 09:52:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Xavier Arron on 12/03/2006 10:03:55
Originally by: SpaceDrake Storyteller
Edited by: SpaceDrake Storyteller on 12/03/2006 08:56:27
Edited by: SpaceDrake Storyteller on 12/03/2006 08:54:52
Why, HELLO.

http://www.eve-online.com.cn

Some of it still seems incomplete (chronicles section), but most of it's there...

...





Looking at the Front Page it seems they are starting the story off from the EVE Exodus Expansion.

I suppose at least the rest of the expansions will be delivered on time Very Happy - Soon™ shouldn't be a term the Eve China customers ever have to hear Twisted Evil


MysticNZ
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2006.03.12 09:56:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: MysticNZ on 12/03/2006 09:56:49
Originally by: SpaceDrake Storyteller
Edited by: SpaceDrake Storyteller on 12/03/2006 08:56:27
Edited by: SpaceDrake Storyteller on 12/03/2006 08:54:52
Why, HELLO.

http://www.eve-online.com.cn

Some of it still seems incomplete (chronicles section), but most of it's there...

... seeing Crystal Boulevard in Chinese is gonna be feckin' wierd.Shocked I imagine Discorp's already feeling odd about having Chinese under his ugly mug.

Oh, and I the only one who finds the EO-CN forums to be hideously saccharine, even if I can't fuggin' read them?Confused


Yes, those forums are horrid.

But I remember from a dev blog, the devs do not like this fourm at all and wish to switch to something else in the future. Perhaps they are testing something.

The Enslaver
Viziam
Posted - 2006.03.12 11:25:00 - [34]
 

I've grown rather attached to these forums myself :P

But yeah, even putting that website through translators doesn't work well... Really need to actually know the language.

Max Teranous
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2006.03.12 11:47:00 - [35]
 

So Enslaver, how many accounts are you going to have on the Chinese server ? ShockedTwisted EvilWink

Corp Scammer
Posted - 2006.03.12 11:52:00 - [36]
 

whats wrong with these forusm they work quite fine.

keepiru
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2006.03.12 12:16:00 - [37]
 

I quite like these forums... much better than loads of other game forums ive been on...

M3ta7h3ad
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.03.12 12:31:00 - [38]
 

Whats wrong?

The "remember me" doesnt work correctly, you have to hit reply or "login" and it will automatically log you in then as opposed to just logging you in from the start.

When editing a post, it takes you to a page that doesnt exist and you have an option of going "back one page" or "back to forums" not "back to thread".

Smileys require random [] brackets around them. URL formatting also doesnt work correctly. HTTP://www.google.com is ignored unless I put url tags around it. (Other forums can detect a web address and add the tags for you :))

Signatures are not seperated from the main body of the post by any discernable divider. Not even whitespace.

I think that pretty much covers it :)

Uggster
Caldari
FinFleet
KenZoku
Posted - 2006.03.12 12:54:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Max Teranous
So Enslaver, how many accounts are you going to have on the Chinese server ? ShockedTwisted EvilWink





HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

49000 of the 50k so far I hear.

Karl Staf
C.C.C.P
Posted - 2006.03.12 12:55:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
Whats wrong?

The "remember me" doesnt work correctly, you have to hit reply or "login" and it will automatically log you in then as opposed to just logging you in from the start.

When editing a post, it takes you to a page that doesnt exist and you have an option of going "back one page" or "back to forums" not "back to thread".

Smileys require random [] brackets around them. URL formatting also doesnt work correctly. HTTP://www.google.com is ignored unless I put url tags around it. (Other forums can detect a web address and add the tags for you :))

Signatures are not seperated from the main body of the post by any discernable divider. Not even whitespace.

I think that pretty much covers it :)


and the missing search functionalyti.. Confused

M3ta7h3ad
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2006.03.12 13:04:00 - [41]
 

Well no... because there are several ways to search the forums.

1.) http://www.eve-search.com
2.) the Beta (not ready yet and its a bit rubbish for the moment) http://search.eve-online.com
3.) http://www.google.com - setup to search this site. :)

Anora Ash
Posted - 2006.03.12 14:34:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Anora Ash on 12/03/2006 14:36:26
Originally by: Hung Sing
well it may seem harsh but the main reason why many chinese who want to play eve is to make money. however they do it thats the main reason for probly most of those 50k people who go on the alpha test to cheak it out.

thats pretty much what i know as im chinese and live in the uk but tryed get a cousin who lives over in china to play this great game but he wount as he knows through other people that many players will play it through macros etc and thinks that there isnt any point of playing.

no saying thast ALL chinese players will macro but pretty conviced most are.


With all your deliberate grammatical/spelling errors, you sound like an imposter hiding behind an alt so that you can spout the age-old cliche about chinese players = macroers. I thought the mods banned such views some time ago.

Like what Shikari said, isk-farming won't make sense on the chinese server.

Naleb Cilani
Caldari
Posted - 2006.03.12 14:48:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Anora Ash

I thought the mods banned such views some time ago.


That may be true, but it seems most posters find any kind of racism against asians (blatant or not) is acceptable. Though with the Western/Euro-centric bias that most posters have here, I'm hardly suprised and chalk it up to general gwailo/gaijin ignorance.

Remaining on topic, I find it odd that anyone would even want to play on a shard with PRC internet-gaming laws applied to it. It wouldn't be as fun as it now with the limitations and curfews.

keepiru
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2006.03.12 15:43:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
Whats wrong?

The "remember me" doesnt work correctly, you have to hit reply or "login" and it will automatically log you in then as opposed to just logging you in from the start.

Never been an issue for me, though i wouldnt complain if they fixed it. But i dont really care either way.

Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
When editing a post, it takes you to a page that doesnt exist and you have an option of going "back one page" or "back to forums" not "back to thread".

Thats buggy. It works sometimes (mainly if you do it right after editing a post). But again, i just push delete twice real fast, no problemo. Wont complain if they fixed it but it dont really affect me.

Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
Smileys require random [] brackets around them. URL formatting also doesnt work correctly. HTTP://www.google.com is ignored unless I put url tags around it. (Other forums can detect a web address and add the tags for you :))

Thats actuaally a GOOD thing in my book. I **HATE** auto-parsing, especially emoticons. Double-especially because all those forums never have an accoount-wide "disable emoticons in post" so i always have to tick the same goddamn box for every fuggin reply. Auto-parsing = dumb. Plznokthnx.

Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
Signatures are not seperated from the main body of the post by any discernable divider. Not even whitespace.

Thats a GOOD thing. Let me do my *OWN* spacing, kthnx. I wish you could use more than 200 characters in your sig tho...

Asane
Amarr
Posted - 2006.03.12 16:37:00 - [45]
 

Is anyone actually aware of the fact that China is the biggest growing country in the world, financially, and that there actually are Chinese people that have money?

They're humans just like the rest of us and they play for the same reasons.
There's a minor horde of farmers in both Europe and the states too, the only difference is the fact that the Asians managed to actually organize it instead of running around like headless chickens

Dizzee
Posted - 2006.03.12 17:25:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Asane
Is anyone actually aware of the fact that China is the biggest growing country in the world, financially, and that there actually are Chinese people that have money?

They're humans just like the rest of us and they play for the same reasons.
There's a minor horde of farmers in both Europe and the states too, the only difference is the fact that the Asians managed to actually organize it instead of running around like headless chickens


so true...
As much as I enjoy eve, I always thought a real strong point was that it was a single server.. ignoring the fact that there are farmers, It saddens me there'll be a whole continent I'll not be able to play with.. (yes I know they can come to tranquility and vica versa.. but thats not the point)

j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.03.12 17:42:00 - [47]
 

"Oh, and I the only one who finds the EO-CN forums to be hideously saccharine, even if I can't fuggin' read them?Confused"

I dunno, on the other hand they already seem to have the forum search, ability to create polls and have file attachments... ^^;;

Khonsu
Posted - 2006.03.12 17:43:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: keepiru
Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
Thats a GOOD thing. Let me do my *OWN* spacing, kthnx. I wish you could use more than 200 characters in your sig tho...


Please. Some people have just a sentence as signature, and it's hard to tell where the post stops and the signature begins. Extremely annoying to try to make sense to a post, only to realize half of it was a signature with no relevance to the post.

Asane
Amarr
Posted - 2006.03.12 18:08:00 - [49]
 

Speaking of potatoes, why are they getting a server?

Somewhere in the dark corners of my head, called the brain, I have a faint memory of EVE having the strong-point in their ads with the fact that they have only one server for everyone

Wanoah
Minmatar
Msana Foundation
Posted - 2006.03.12 18:16:00 - [50]
 

I amused myself for a bit using the Google translation thing to translate the chronicles back into English.

Universal Translator

j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.03.12 18:35:00 - [51]
 

"Somewhere in the dark corners of my head, called the brain, I have a faint memory of EVE having the strong-point in their ads with the fact that they have only one server for everyone"

The official explanations if i recall right went to the effect of very different law regulations (enforced limits on how long can one stay online playing) and different approach to gaming (secondary market of game items and such being considered natural part of the game) ... so it was either switching TQ to the same standards and practices, skipping Chinese market altogether, or creating secondary server conforming with local rules. o.O;

Asane
Amarr
Posted - 2006.03.12 18:40:00 - [52]
 

I hate laws...Sad

Arkanor
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
Posted - 2006.03.12 18:42:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari

Whats so funny?

ISK selling relies on two things:

1. People with lots of money to buy the ISK.
2. People with very little money to sell it (as its not a very profitable individual business).

In China, a very good yearly wage is 10 grand a year. In America, a similarly good wage would be 100 grand a year. Without those comparatively rich players to buy the ISK, the prices for ISK will be so low that it won't even be worth it to the Chinese to farm it either.


Therefore CCP must be geniuses, splitting the market by placing a void between buyers and sellers :P

Asane
Amarr
Posted - 2006.03.12 18:43:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Arkanor

Therefore CCP must be geniuses, splitting the market by placing a void between buyers and sellers :P


Yeah, because Blizzard proved that last year that that's how it is.....

Morgana Janan
GalacTECH Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
Posted - 2006.03.12 19:10:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: j0sephine
"Somewhere in the dark corners of my head, called the brain, I have a faint memory of EVE having the strong-point in their ads with the fact that they have only one server for everyone"

The official explanations if i recall right went to the effect of very different law regulations (enforced limits on how long can one stay online playing) and different approach to gaming (secondary market of game items and such being considered natural part of the game) ... so it was either switching TQ to the same standards and practices, skipping Chinese market altogether, or creating secondary server conforming with local rules. o.O;


Pretty much. The PRC has rather specific laws about the internet and such, and much of it is highly monitored and censored by their government. By containing the cluster to Chinese customers only, it means CCP dosn't have to worry about the government there raising issue about dissidents using EVE as a way to communicate or exposing it's citizens to outside thoughts and ideas not approved by the People's Republic. They've also got decency laws and the like. Odds are, most of the chats there will be logged, too. But China's got a lot of avid gamers, so that's the price of doing business with them.

Other online companies, like Yahoo and Google, have been forced to cooperate with the PRC in handing over names of dissidents using their services to spread their messages and the like in order to continue operations there.

At least, that's my understanding of the situation.

SpaceDrake Storyteller
Posted - 2006.03.13 06:24:00 - [56]
 

So, any more infobits on how the test is going? I'm intensely interested in this. I've tried using google translate to browse their forums, but it's slow going.

SpaceDrake Storyteller
Posted - 2006.03.13 07:14:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: SpaceDrake Storyteller on 13/03/2006 07:14:51
Using the translator, I have gleaned a few points:

1) Horace, who I'm guessing is Oveur's (or possibly Kieron's) Chinese counterpart, states that basically nobody else outside of China will be allowed to play on the China cluster. BUT BUT BUT, he then goes on to insinuate that there will be a third shard (or possibly more!) for other Asian gamers!

Quote:
Horace's direct statement:
并非对全亚洲开放。

我们所指的“开放”涉及到游戏渠道以及市场营销的问题。亚洲其他国家和地区的玩家当然有可能连接到中国服务器(也不排除采取IP屏蔽的可能),但是由于代理协议、销售渠道、市场推广以及服务器语言、网络连接质量等原因,架设于中国大陆的中文版服务器不会正式在除中国大陆、香港、澳门地区以外推广、收费运营。

至于中国台湾、韩国、日本以及其他亚洲地区,将成为EVE单独的目标市场。

Horace

再次希望大家在论坛交流的时候保持成熟冷静的风度,和我们一起努力创造一个和谐纯净的EVE世界,谢谢。


Quote:
Google's somewhat butchered version of it:
Not open to the entire Asia.

Our denotation " the opening " involves the question which sells to the game channel as well as the market camp. The Asian other countries and the area plays the family certainly has the possibility connects the Chinese server (also does not remove adopts the IP shield possibility), but because proxy agreement, sells reason and so on channel, market promotion as well as server language, network connection quality, erects to mainland China's Chinese edition server cannot officially in except mainland China, Hong Kong, outside the Aomen area promote, the charge operation.

As for China and Taiwan, Korea, Japan and other Asian regions will become Eve separate target markets.

Horace

Once again I hope that the forum for the exchange of time maintaining mature cool manners, and we work together to create a harmonious pure Eve world, thank you.


The topic.

My reaction in a bit.

2) The Chinese have gotten prime fiction we haven't: lingustic examples for all four races!

http://www.eve-online.com.cn/race/gallente.htm

Quote:
Gallente language mainly come from the French, some people speaking Flanders and Latin variations. Because French pronunciation, many silent Gallente language at the end.

Examples:
Charmerout-stars is the quintessence of a regional name, the Italian for "beautiful" or "beautiful passages".
Poteque - The largest company names Poteque medicines. Poteque simple explanation is that (this phrase is not standard Gallente language) "a better future".
Ampaert-old Gallente A very special female members, the term is an intention to "more fruits and productive."
Finally stressed that the empire is the name Gallente, known as Gallente subjects, their language named Gallente language.

SpaceDrake Storyteller
Posted - 2006.03.13 07:26:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: SpaceDrake Storyteller on 13/03/2006 07:26:30
http://www.eve-online.com.cn/race/Amarr.htm

Quote:
Amarr language (and name) mostly Bosnian, mixed some Turkish and Arabic. So you can find their names and terminology and pronunciation of the letters D, S, H and M similar.

Finally stressed that the empire was named names, subjects, known as intensive, their language named Amarr language.


http://www.eve-online.com.cn/race/minmatar.htm

Quote:
Minmatar language is a language of ancient German and Scandinavian integration in transition, especially in teaching (Minmatar from teaching on the word Minnimáttar, meaning "oppressed"). It also interspersed with some Swahili.

Examples:
Austraka - Minmatar stars of a name, is intended to "extend the East
Eifyr - Minmatar a Corps, the Corps is also founder's name. No real meaning.
Wkumi - is a subject to the effects of Minmatar Swahili names. 1 Brutor tribe male members, is intended to "strong spirit" or "strong will." (As in "Wkumi Pol", leader of the Brutor Tribe. - SD)

Finally stressed that the empire is the name Minmatar, known as Minmatar subjects, their language named Minmatar language.


http://www.eve-online.com.cn/race/caldari.htm

Quote:
Caldari essentially Finnish language as the basis of a mixed Asian-speaking.

For example:
Osunen-a group of the surname. There are many examples where the name "-nen" for the end, meaning "From", so Osunen said "From Osu."
Kaalakiota-largest group in the name of super Corps translation is too general. Kaaala intended to "buy" kiota intended to "shop."
Rairomon- have a group of stars of the name is intended as "successful."


SpaceDrake Storyteller
Posted - 2006.03.13 07:36:00 - [59]
 

So... the "news" that EVE may be opened even more clusters beyond the Serenity (most specifically for Korea and/or Japan.)

Really, it shouldn't be too surprising. Korea, MMO fiends that they are, are almost as large a market as China now for MMOs and they'd certainly be looking for something different and sci-fi at this point. Rising Force Online has been wildly successful there, and a game as alternate and science-fiction based as EVE could be hugely successful there... but not only would they have lag difficulties due to the distance involved (multi-homing only helps so much... at the end of the day, across the planet is still across the planet, and jumping that many countries is simply going to make for a laggy experience), but if EVE was marketed heavily in Korea, we'd have the same problem that we'd have in China if we let everyone onto TQ: Tranquility would simply be overwhelmed. The "new, uber" TQ can probably support 50,000 concurrent users, and if it's advertised heavily in Korea, we'd break that within the year, easily. Still, it is rather sad to see technological limitations defeat the EVE dream of a single unified world-shard... but we had to come to grips with that when Serenity was announced, I suppose. Confused

Keep in mind that I may be wrong or misreading Horace, and he doesn't say specifically that servers beyond Serenity are opening. I can't see CCP possibly trying to cram the Korean MMO market onto TQ, though...

As for the new language bits. They aren't much, really, but I'm surprised we didn't get these before. And "Bosnian" (Slavic? I suspect that's a Google fart) as a heavy part of the Amarrian language? That one's a bit out of left field. Shocked And if it's official, I know at least one Amarr RP corp who's, well, a little out to dry ATM. Confused No other huge surprises, though. A lot of us have probably suspected Gallentean is closer to a mishmash of all the Romance languages, including Latin, than it is to true French.

Mnengli Noiliffe
Posted - 2006.03.13 08:19:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 13/03/2006 08:24:06
http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr
This, with "Chinese-simp to English" option, does a bit better job at translation than Google translator IMHO.
Although you have to copy-paste actual text from their forums, web-page translation doesn't work.

(edit)
ok maybe not much better, but when you completely don't get it, alternative translation might help :)


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