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CCP Eris Discordia

Posted - 2006.01.05 23:40:00 - [1]
 

As you can read in the annoucements using these drones is an exploit and if you have lost a ships to them you can go to Ask A Question then go Reimbursement and ask if you can have your ship replaced.
Please give as many details as you have regarding your loss as it may help the GM"s to verify these drones were used.

Using them in missions is also an exploit as they give you a advantage due to a game mechanic that needs to be fixed.

This applies to both tech I and tech II Wasp Drones.


GM Annoucement

Kay Han
Caldari
Divine Retribution
Sons of Tangra
Posted - 2006.01.05 23:45:00 - [2]
 

first \o/

Maya Rkell
Third Grade Ergonomics
Posted - 2006.01.05 23:45:00 - [3]
 

Great.

And ECM drones?

Allan Robertson
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.01.05 23:47:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Allan Robertson on 05/01/2006 23:47:05
I think the Devs are over-reacting to this, yes it's a bug and needs to be fixed, and in the meantime I will not use Wasps, but why does CCP have to come down on users like a ton of bricks and call it an exploit as if they are the ones in the wrong?

Emperor D'Hoffryn
EXTERMINATUS.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2006.01.05 23:51:00 - [5]
 

so what exactly is the issue with the drones? they hit every time or something? seems strange its that big of a battle deciding problem....

CCP Eris Discordia

Posted - 2006.01.05 23:53:00 - [6]
 

If you use them it gives an very unbalanced and unfair advantage, hence it is an exploit. The game mechanics that allows this will be fixed as soon as possible. Please keep in mind that some changes require a client patch and if it wouldn't require a client patch the problem wouldn't exist.

IcedBach Jr
MASS
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
Posted - 2006.01.05 23:57:00 - [7]
 

so if one is deep in enemy space, with dominix and only wasps, what is one to do.

u made the mistake, fix it, but dont do these silly announcments. Or will you give us free t2 drones to use instead.


Toaster Oven
Posted - 2006.01.05 23:58:00 - [8]
 

So what are you doing to compensate the Domi/Ishtar/Vexor/Arbitrator/Curse/Pilgrim pilots who normally use Wasps during their mission running against Guristas? Or are you just leaving them out in the cold?

Gonada
The Scope
Posted - 2006.01.06 00:00:00 - [9]
 

just take em out, too easy to abuse then cry " i didnt know !"

Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Naraka.
Posted - 2006.01.06 00:00:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Toaster Oven
So what are you doing to compensate the Domi/Ishtar/Vexor/Arbitrator/Curse/Pilgrim pilots who normally use Wasps during their mission running against Guristas? Or are you just leaving them out in the cold?

I think the news post only mentioned PVP and ship losses incured there.

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2006.01.06 00:01:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 06/01/2006 00:03:46
Originally by: Allan Robertson
Edited by: Allan Robertson on 05/01/2006 23:47:05
I think the Devs are over-reacting to this, yes it's a bug and needs to be fixed, and in the meantime I will not use Wasps, but why does CCP have to come down on users like a ton of bricks and call it an exploit as if they are the ones in the wrong?


I think not. If CCP calls "exploit" on a item it is important to be very clear on the subject. There must be no doubt and no questions nessesary regarding the case. Even though it is their programming error (and nobody can be perfect all the time you know) they don't have to answer to anybody here for what they do. Personally I enjoy people being busted on exploits, I really loathe cheaters who tries to take advantage of a simple human error.

Toaster Oven
Posted - 2006.01.06 00:02:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Toaster Oven on 06/01/2006 00:02:39
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
I think the news post only mentioned PVP and ship losses incured there.


First post in this thread indicates it's considered an exploit using them in missions.

Omber Zombie
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
Posted - 2006.01.06 00:03:00 - [13]
 

is thi sjust the combat versions of wasps, or the EW variations too?

Lisento Slaven
The Drekla Consortium
Posted - 2006.01.06 00:07:00 - [14]
 

it's all wasps...in the announcement it says "Wasp drones (both tech I and tech II variants)" so I'm assuming all of them...

Katamarino
Naughty Crocodiles
Posted - 2006.01.06 00:10:00 - [15]
 

SO the players take QA mistakes on the chin. What would peoples reaction be if suddenly the GMs ordered us not to use, say, 450mm railguns for a week or so? Drones are primary weapons for a lot of people, and this is absurd.

moroti
TALON'S GRIP
Green Alliance
Posted - 2006.01.06 00:12:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Omber Zombie
is thi sjust the combat versions of wasps, or the EW variations too?

The EW Wasps don't have tracking which is the issue mentioned in the news post so I imagine using them is not an exploit.

I must say this is a tad sucky though. Being in 0.0 with an Ishtar loaded with Wasps for the local rats and the nearest empire camped almost 23/7 by hostiles. Guess I'll be spending the next 5 days sat at a POS Neutral

eztrader
Posted - 2006.01.06 00:14:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Katamarino
.. What would peoples reaction be if suddenly the GMs ordered us not to use, say, 450mm railguns for a week or so?


Oh l dunno l'd probably manage to not use them at all. Razz

Ukucia
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.01.06 00:18:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: moroti

I must say this is a tad sucky though. Being in 0.0 with an Ishtar loaded with Wasps for the local rats and the nearest empire camped almost 23/7 by hostiles. Guess I'll be spending the next 5 days sat at a POS Neutral


If you're unwilling to wait, you could always petition, asking for the wasps to be changed to some other equivalent drone.

Allan Robertson
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2006.01.06 00:21:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 06/01/2006 00:03:46
Originally by: Allan Robertson
Edited by: Allan Robertson on 05/01/2006 23:47:05
I think the Devs are over-reacting to this, yes it's a bug and needs to be fixed, and in the meantime I will not use Wasps, but why does CCP have to come down on users like a ton of bricks and call it an exploit as if they are the ones in the wrong?


I think not. If CCP calls "exploit" on a item it is important to be very clear on the subject. There must be no doubt and no questions nessesary regarding the case. Even though it is their programming error (and nobody can be perfect all the time you know) they don't have to answer to anybody here for what they do. Personally I enjoy people being busted on exploits, I really loathe cheaters who tries to take advantage of a simple human error.


Why should an unsuspecting player be pnushed for playing the game, I know mistakes happen in programming I design websites and know very well that mistakes happen, but they are 'my' mistakes and 'not' others. So CCP sould not 'blame' a player using Wasps that might not know about this. So whats next? All hybrid guns are buged, don't use them? This is like Microsoft telling it's users that they can't use Windows because of the latest bug, and we will fix it when we get the patch out.

Maya Rkell
Third Grade Ergonomics
Posted - 2006.01.06 00:23:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Ukucia
Originally by: moroti

I must say this is a tad sucky though. Being in 0.0 with an Ishtar loaded with Wasps for the local rats and the nearest empire camped almost 23/7 by hostiles. Guess I'll be spending the next 5 days sat at a POS Neutral


If you're unwilling to wait, you could always petition, asking for the wasps to be changed to some other equivalent drone.


Given NPC's are vulnrable to ONE damage type, and no other heavies do the same as wasps, there is NO "equivalent" avaliable.

Dao 2
Thenta-Makur
Posted - 2006.01.06 00:45:00 - [21]
 

so uh if i only have wasps up with me in .0 could the gms spawn me like 20 serkers or somethin ;pppppp?

DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
Posted - 2006.01.06 00:48:00 - [22]
 

Good move tbh.

Bug + unfair advantage = sploit.. nuff said :]

Malena VXXI
Amarr
Persia Capital Investments Group
Posted - 2006.01.06 00:55:00 - [23]
 

I want Reimbursement in isk for "not" to be able too use my drones "I bought too defend my self"

Rexthor Hammerfists
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2006.01.06 01:01:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 06/01/2006 01:01:09
the Rexthor Hammerfists one man army:

"a matter of honor not to use em - the ppl that did are worth nothing in my eyes, and sadly i saw alot of them used the alst days.

ccp isnt stupid, and if it would b that easy to fix it in a single dt, they wouldve done it,
good move to make it an official exploit - lost many supports to this."


edit, not my fault - im lazy born.

Wee Dave
Posted - 2006.01.06 01:13:00 - [25]
 

So at present Wasps never miss. Is that about right?

Heavenly Explorer
Posted - 2006.01.06 01:18:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Heavenly Explorer on 06/01/2006 01:21:04
This is great news for me - im flying around in my domi hunting Guristas BS rats using wasps as my PRIMARY DAMAGE DEALERS. So I'm surposed to use another drone type and do far less damage? Mad

How did you fix the heatsink dmg modifier bug without a patch. Cant you guys do the same thing with this problem. I would assume if you can fix a dmg mod you can fix tracking.

Looks like 1/4th less profit for me until the patch is deployed, 10th of Jan IIRC, plus it'll probably be at least a few days late like most other patches.

Longasc
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2006.01.06 01:35:00 - [27]
 

Yup, they even do damage when it reads "miss".

You know how this could happen?

Because someone at CCP has problems reading the RMR font right, too! Twisted Evil

Aarn Khaar
Gallente
Posted - 2006.01.06 02:06:00 - [28]
 

I have always hated it when a game company makes an error in a rather commonly used thing and tells the player base if they use it they are exploiting. SWG did this a lot. For example, the last one I heard out of them was putting another person on your harvester list was considered an exploit. :laughs:

I would rather they have kept quiet about the wasp drones (not enticing people to seek them out to use). Try to fix it as soon as possible using an emergency patch if it is really that bad. Then after it is fixed make a news update saying that an odd program had infected a batch of wasp drones. That the drones have all been recalled and new properly functioning drones have been reissued to all pod pilots who owned one. Yeah, they made the mistake. Why should a player whose primary fighting abilities are in drones have to pay for it.

Personally, I do not use them. I just think it is a bad precedent to break something commonly used then call people who use it exploiters even if they do not know about it. I suppose it is just the terminology that I do not like and the fact that people are receiving warnings for using a drone.

xbreaka
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2006.01.06 02:10:00 - [29]
 

i fly a phoon and carry 7 wasps on me at all times to fight guristas, with no drones i basiclaly loose have my damage thanks gms.. I for one will continue to use my wasps in 0.0 to rat seeing as i dont expect the npcs to file any tickets against me!

FIGHT THE MAN!

blood red
Posted - 2006.01.06 02:13:00 - [30]
 

if only a client patch can fix this does this mean that EVE client is hackable and exploitable? people with even little experience can mod the client, could this possibly be done?


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