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Itin
Posted - 2005.12.30 03:28:00 - [1]
 

Finally I got the Mining Laser Upgrade I, fitted on my Thorax and finded out that the skill doesn't seem to work as it states "Skill for use of mining upgrades. 5% bonus reduction in cpu penalty of mining upgrades."

Miner II 80 Ft goes to 88 Ft with the laser upgrade but, with level II on the skill it should go back to 87.2, i'm I right with my math ?

Thanks

Elea Electronica
Gallente
Dragon Enterprises
Posted - 2005.12.30 03:33:00 - [2]
 

No it decreases the CPU of the mod not of the laser.

Itin
Posted - 2005.12.30 03:37:00 - [3]
 

The fact it's says 5% bonus reduction in cpu penalty of mining upgrades.

The laser mining upgrade affects with a 10% penalty the laser


Vmir Gallahasen
Gallente
United Mining And Distribution
Posted - 2005.12.30 06:11:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Vmir Gallahasen on 30/12/2005 06:12:06
Quote:
The fact it's says 5% bonus reduction in cpu penalty of mining upgrades.


Correct. The Mining Laser takes the 10% cpu penalty, the Mining Upgrade I takes a reduction in cpu use.

Shugo Kazuma
Posted - 2005.12.30 07:24:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Shugo Kazuma on 30/12/2005 07:26:25
Originally by: Vmir Gallahasen
Edited by: Vmir Gallahasen on 30/12/2005 06:12:06
Quote:
The fact it's says 5% bonus reduction in cpu penalty of mining upgrades.


Correct. The Mining Laser takes the 10% cpu penalty, the Mining Upgrade I takes a reduction in cpu use.

Would the description not read "Skill for use of mining upgrades. 5% bonus reduction in cpu use of mining upgrades." if it mean't it was reducing the CPU useage of the mod itself?

As it stands, it reads "Skill for use of mining upgrades. 5% bonus reduction in cpu penalty of mining upgrades." It specifically mentions the CPU penalty which implies that at level 1, your CPU penalty is decreased by 5%, or rather, the module increases CPU use by 9.5% per mod.

Edit: It's probably an error, look at the ice mining upgrade where it increases mining cycling time by 5% rather than decrease it. Just in game bug report it.

Sonreir
Gallente
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2005.12.30 08:38:00 - [6]
 

OK guys and gals. This one isn't as difficult as you're making it.
New mining upgrade modules as a side-effect increase the CPU costs of your mining lasers. This skill reduces the CPU penalty you experience for using a mining module.

Potvora Oskliva
AquariusArt
Posted - 2005.12.30 13:17:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Potvora Oskliva on 30/12/2005 13:17:49
Which it does not... at least not at the moment...

Got Mega with 7x Miner II

Base for T2 miner is 80 TF, with 3 upgrade mods I'm using the usage is 106.48 TF per laser. I have Mining Upgrades on lvl2 which should make the penalty drop down. Yet if you take the calculator, the penalty is stacked in full - 3 times 10% and no reductions... Because maybe my math is wrong but the actual CPU usage of T2 Miners with 3 upgrade modules and lvl2 of Mining Upgrades skill should actually be 103.60232 TF. Or am I mistaken??

So I also think the Mining Upgrades skill (its penalty reducing bonus per level) does not work at all at the moment. The only thing it does at the moment is that it enables you to fit the upgrade modules to your ship.

Koarus Tracid
Posted - 2005.12.30 14:34:00 - [8]
 

"Skill for use of mining upgrades. 5% bonus reduction in cpu penalty of mining upgrades."

Reduction of cpu use of mining upgrade modul, not cpu use of mining laser!


000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
Posted - 2005.12.30 17:09:00 - [9]
 

Bah, whatever it does it sux as usuall, why is ccp so obsessed with giving us new stuff then put in a rediculous gimp? I'm not at all impressed with the new mining mod.

I found out i now get a 50m3 per minute extra on my covetor, ok admitted it's better then nothing but only 50m3? cmon!!! can't even fit 2 on the covetor due to the silly penalty, i got the skill to L2 but i don't think it will be much use to increase it to L3 or 4 cause if i calculated it right u won't be able to fit 2 on a covetor even with the skill at L5 Confused

Bah i'm getting dissapointed by ccp more and more, they promise cool new stuff and were all so desperate for it we go gooey and weak, but if u look closer u find out the new stuff isn't all that great in the end.

And no, this is not a 'i'm leaving eve' whine thread just a 'this mod sux' whine thread so u cannot have my stuff, and yes i'd love a piece of cheese with that whine.

I still luv eve very very much, she's my harsh mistress Very Happy

Gretchen Dawntreader
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2005.12.30 17:23:00 - [10]
 

yeah the all sorts of nifty stuff for mining that they talked about turned out to be a couple mildly useful mods and new super-barges for really rich pilots.

000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
Posted - 2005.12.30 17:39:00 - [11]
 

well and the term 'superbarge' is a bit overkill as well, so yeah u get more shield and better resistances and a whopping 'OMGOSHGASP!!!111ONE!!!' 3% per exhumer level increase in mining yield, but thats about it. Hm lemme think... i get about 1100 per minute on my covetor now, perhaps around 1200 with T2 crystals (another one of those made useless mining items as they crack way to fast now) with exhumerskill to L5 that would be what? around 1400? Confused

anyone seen a hulk yet? any idea how much there going for? prolly between 200 and 300 mill atm right?

hammerman
Posted - 2005.12.30 21:31:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: hammerman on 30/12/2005 21:33:07
no u get 970 with t1 strip miners with no mods but max skills, t2 go up to about 1100-1200 depending on crystal(t1 t2), the new minig barges (which i have on order) gives 3%per lvl so in toal 15% more
same with ice as well with the new barges and when the t2 ice harvesters come out with no mods on u will be able to mine ice in under 3 mins even with t1 its just over 4 1/2 mins to me its worth it, for the t2 mining barge. as for the mod u put in low slot if they dont work then i will stay with cargo expanders as usuall i will try and see

not forgetting the new implants u can get as well for ice and ore mining 5% more yield and ice i think its either 3 or 5% less cycle time not sure saw one on escrow for 350mill dont think they are worth that


DarkClown III
Posted - 2005.12.31 00:30:00 - [13]
 

Yea ill like to see, that it works like it saysCrying or Very sad

Only then RazzVery Happy

Shugo Kazuma
Posted - 2005.12.31 02:32:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Koarus Tracid
"Skill for use of mining upgrades. 5% bonus reduction in cpu penalty of mining upgrades."

Reduction of cpu use of mining upgrade modul, not cpu use of mining laser!

Notice where it says "reduction in cpu penalty", the penalty is the +10% cpu useage on the mining laser, at level 1 it should take 5% off that 10%, thus your mining laser should use +9.5%, at full level 5, the increase would be 7.5% per mod.

Besides, it doesn't work the way you say it works either. Under your theory, at level 1, the mod itself should use 5% less CPU (30->28.5), well, it still uses 30.

Kaathar Rielspar
Minmatar
Universal Exports
Cult of War
Posted - 2005.12.31 03:42:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Koarus Tracid
"Skill for use of mining upgrades. 5% bonus reduction in cpu penalty of mining upgrades."

Reduction of cpu use of mining upgrade modul, not cpu use of mining laser!




just to clarify, fitting requirements aren't penalties

Lisa Payne
Posted - 2005.12.31 13:52:00 - [16]
 

Hmm,

All i have seen is that mining upgrade laser I mod, increases your
mining yield, my strip miner I went from 970 -> 1018 ore units.
And i only have mining upgrades Lvl1.

ZahnSchmelz
Montoya Heavy Industries
Posted - 2006.01.03 02:51:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: ZahnSchmelz on 03/01/2006 02:59:46
Edited by: ZahnSchmelz on 03/01/2006 02:54:05
Well, Im lost too.

Cycle time is definitely a mistake -- you mine more in the same time (cycle time is still 180 sec / 3 minutes).

Proof with 1 module at lvl2 skill:
http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/TFOTF/mining_upgrade.png

Now what am I interested is fitting -- did someone calculate penalty with lvl 4 skill? I cant fit 2 modules on barge Very Happy

I know descriptions are tricky sometimes, but ... There is 10% CPU penalty and skill reduces that penalty 5% per lvl (also, there is no stacking penalty). So my child logic tells me that lvl 4 skill eliminates penalty --> 10+10 (modules) = 5+5+5+5 (skill).

And I'm wrong, I know as I tested that :)

So, how it works?

EDIT: are modules fitting requirements affected with electronic upgrades skill? According to description not, but ... u never know :)




ZahnSchmelz
Montoya Heavy Industries
Posted - 2006.01.03 03:26:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: ZahnSchmelz on 03/01/2006 03:31:42
I did some quick cals and I think module is working (despite description), but skill is not working
at all.

Covetor with 3x MSM II: 180 of 250 CPU

1x MSM II [fitted] = 66 CPU
10% = 6,6 CPU (penalty from 1 mining upgrades module per miner)
x3 = 19,8 CPU (for 3x MSM II)

180 (base with miners) + 30 (modul fitting) + 19,8 (3x miners penalty) = 229,8 [230 round, but
I get 228 ingame]

Now, my "Mining laser upgrade skill is at lvl4" and that shows nowhere (ie. I fitted module with
penalty and without skill help).


U dont belive?

Kage Getsu
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Posted - 2006.01.03 04:48:00 - [19]
 

It doesn't actually change the cycle time, but because you can mine partial amounts but turning off your laser before the normal cycle, and it takes less time to get the same amount of ore as before, it sort of does decrease the cycle time.

But it would be better if it said yield instead.

James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2006.01.03 09:11:00 - [20]
 

It looks like a bug has been discoved.
I do hope you've submitted a bug report.

Oyennor
Posted - 2006.01.03 12:00:00 - [21]
 




not forgetting the new implants u can get as well for ice and ore mining 5% more yield and ice i think its either 3 or 5% less cycle time not sure saw one on escrow for 350mill dont think they are worth that




Implants? There are implants? Where?


 

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