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marius calgar
Posted - 2003.08.19 07:49:00 - [91]
 

maybe TTI the none pirate goody corp can send there Polite collection ****s S.I and kia corp down to sort this out.

I don't remember tti saying sorry art directer guy we understand you made mistake so here have that big mining laser back it was only a mistake.

Practice what ya preach ya bunch of morons, leave the guy alone you screwed up and ya suffered because of it. As regards your childish comments in this thread so far....it really just shows us all what little babies you are!

Well done james and if TTI do declare war on you or your corp and send there little gimp boys from venal down you might find you have more allies than enemies :)Twisted Evil

Macumba
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.08.19 09:19:00 - [92]
 

Use the 100mil to pay someone to repeatedly podkill the "princess" for her naivety.

Or just keep the money. It's only TTI.

Kalyessa
Posted - 2003.08.19 09:58:00 - [93]
 

TTI is the Mining 2 laser corp, right? Well, they can just ask CCP to send them a few more Miner BP's along to cover their losses.

Irony of the story, those who rip of got ripped off ;)

Keep the cash and create an alt if necessary.

Kaly

Princess Akmazara
Posted - 2003.08.19 10:02:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: Princess Akmazara on 19/08/2003 10:02:58


My Dear marius ,

If you hadn't noticed I'm not in TTI. In fact I've been one of their (and most megacorps) most outspoken opponents the last two months. I'm not sticking up for any specific corporation here I'm sticking up for what is right. I would do the same if it was YOUR money and any other person had gotten it and kept it. Corporate affiliation means little to me when compared to right versus wrong.

I would challenge this "lucky person" to follow the lesson of Jack Hayden

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=26651

and take care of this person rather then gloat over his mistake.

THAT is what I found offensive here. The gloating over it then the other "humans" who found it necessary to egg him on and torment the poor person who made this mistake. They sound like people who stand below a building yelling at a person on a ledge to jump. Same thought train in my opinion.

Princess Akmazara
Amarrian Empire
Sisters of Amarr

(Carol)

Princess Akmazara
Posted - 2003.08.19 10:09:00 - [95]
 

Edited by: Princess Akmazara on 19/08/2003 10:09:55


My Dear Kalyessa,

I would point out another corporation has the Miner II BP. Techell admitted they have it in a post replying to one of mine.

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=25999

"Not to mention we are the only ones offering Miner II's at reasonable rate."

As I recall there are two Miner II BP's that the Jovians handed out (according to rumor). We know one is in the hands of OCC already. Now Techell has admitted having one.

So what is the story here? You said the "rippers got ripped off". Perhaps you could explain that in relation to what we know about the Miner II? Even if a company did have the Miner II they hardly ripped it off. Ask Techell or OCC how they got theirs?

(In character) I would add that while Techell is helping miners and building ships on the cheap they are also monopolizing the market. They are another capitalistic company bent on the destruction of the disenfranchised. They should donate ships to help the poor start out on the right foot. Instead they capitalize on the backs of others.

When will it end?

Princess Akmazara
Amarrian Empire
Sisters of Amarr

Princess Akmazara
Posted - 2003.08.19 10:14:00 - [96]
 

My dear Macumba,

"Or just keep the money. It's only TTI."

What if it was YOUR money and someone else had it? Wouldn't you want them to do the right thing and give it back? Believe me I would be here fighting for YOUR money too.

I believe things are either right or wrong. Black and white with no shades of gray. Something isn't "ok" just because you don't like one party. I don't like either of the people in this incident but that doesn't mean I would wish something bad on them like this.

Some have said I'm naive. In reality my eyes are wide open. I see exactly the errosion of our real life society mirrored in this game. I see people who probably could care less about anyone else in real life doing the same in here.

Truly a sad day for EVE..... not to mention our real humanity. Crying or Very sad

Princess Akmazara
Amarrian Empire
Sisters of Amarr

(Carol)

Deadzone
Caldari
Phoenix Propulsion Labs
Dara Cothrom
Posted - 2003.08.19 10:21:00 - [97]
 

Edited by: Deadzone on 19/08/2003 10:22:28
Princess, you can bark about who is right and who is wrong, what is right and what is wrong, since , obviosly, everyone has a different view.

The facts are, HOWEVER, someone from TTI put the buy order up for 100mil isk. Wether they wanted to or not, is irrevelant, it was there it was a fact.
The person who sold this trit got the amount that it was set at. Wether he knew it or not, is irrevelant, it was a valid transaction from a valid market order.
Everyones morals are different, and whatever they may be, this person is no thief as some will say, since there was NO wrong doing by the parties involved.

It is totally up to the player what codes he lives by. If he gives the money back or not. It not for you to pass judgement on, nor anyone else here. Everything was a legit transaction. Deal with it, accept it, and move the hell on ...nothing to see here!

Macumba
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.08.19 10:24:00 - [98]
 

It's a game. Yes, I'd be ****ed, but would I threaten to hack the guy or get on my moral high horse? No.

Hundreds of millions of ISK are lost all the time. It doesn't matter whether it's through dishonesty, stupidity, piracy or just bad luck.

Berating the guy because he took the money is no better than claiming every pirate is a 13-year-old or that every female character is a 35-year-old male virgin living in his parent's basement. Distinguish between the game and real life, it helps a lot.

Personally I'd keep the money on general principle. Somebody who can't tell the difference between 1 and a hundred shouldn't really be placing orders for the corp. Plus it's TTI who will screw anyone over at any given opportunity anyway.

Riddari
VIT
Posted - 2003.08.19 10:27:00 - [99]
 

Quote:
Yoikes!

Thank you Princess Akmazara - it is always nice to see people who are able to retain a sense of fair play.

Does threatening to look up peoples IP-address constitute Fair Play?

Put Tehel on a leash... his words sink TTI lower and lower

Dragothmar
Southern Cross Monopoly
Flying Dangerous
Posted - 2003.08.19 10:29:00 - [100]
 

If it were my corp it happened to (bear in mind it's not as big as tti!Smile) I'd just pod him to exact revenge and leave it at that. Screw this 'we'll ruin you for all time' BS! That's why so many people are quitting this game, people taking stuff waaaay to seriously and repeatedly podding people. Need I remind anyone at tti that if you eliminate all the little people you won't have any customers left...

Calladen Nimitz
Caldari
Todaki Innovations
Posted - 2003.08.19 10:56:00 - [101]
 



Wow. Interesting thread. I haven't noticed it before and haven't seen anyone from TTI talk about this in IRC. $100m is a ton of isk.

Regarding looking up ISP's. We don't condone this activity. In fact just last week we discovered who has been sending us all those nice email viruses since beta. I've turned it over to the telecom and federal police authorities in that country. It seems Sweden has mandatory prison time for that crime. I'll be sure to post an update with a link to a newspaper article when the jerk is arrested.

Anyway regarding this issue. I guess I'd give the money back on principle. I don't like the personal tone of the Princess's posts but I understand where she's coming from on a moral level.

I've also seen alot of people saying its ok to keep it because it was a TTI member involved. Especially posts like this "Plus it's TTI who will screw anyone over at any given opportunity anyway." and I guess I'm a little curious as to why? Perhaps the person who made this post could give me an example of TTI screwing someone over?

You don't even need to forum troll here. Send me an email if you like. I'm really interested. You see I've spent alot of time trying to make things right when TTI members make a mistake. Yet it seems clear people do NOT treat us with the same courtesy.

So for that example of TTI screwing people over?

I'm waiting?


Calladen Nimitz

(These views are my own and not those of TTI)

Floa
Minmatar
AFK
Posted - 2003.08.19 11:08:00 - [102]
 

Good luck to ya James, well done Cool.

If it were me I would have probably gone for one of those deals mentioned earlier, cos I'm a scaredy-cat and don't fancy being hassled for the next year or so of Eve-time, but well done anyway Smile

Sabahl
Minmatar
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2003.08.19 11:11:00 - [103]
 

It was an honest mistake, obviously. So what? You make a mistake, you pay the price.

I mean, hypothetically, if Taggart "accidentally" supplied M0o with minerals for ships and it was then discovered that M0o were using those ships to kill other players and not go on those deep space mining oeprations they had said the ships would be used for, thereby reducing Taggart's standing in the world of Eve, then Taggart should pay the price for their mistake. No whining. No complaining. Take your medicine and live with it.

It's completely up to the person who got the 100 mil ISK as to what they do with the cash. The method I use in these situations is try to work out what the other party would do if the roles were reversed. And I have to say if I was in this particular situation I would take the money, post up to the Market forum that someone in Taggart had made a big, stonking mistake, then settle back and watch the fireworks whilst trying to work out how to spend my cash.

Sabahl
CEO TerraDyne Syndicate

Jubeli
Caldari
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
Posted - 2003.08.19 11:19:00 - [104]
 

TTI did screw up here yes, and no they scream to get it back.. i would too.. a bargain would be best but I hope TTI will take a no for an answer. To bad there isn't any law in space anymore..

You have shown to value profit and only profit (Venal 'incident' is a living proof of that). Only a pirate would condone this as an act of war... so let us sit back and see what TTI does. I am sure the management is discussint it and I do hope an agreement will be reached because the error here is clearly.

I would give it back.. 100 miner II? Hmm maybe.. a BP copy? you bet!!

Good luck to you both

Georg
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2003.08.19 11:25:00 - [105]
 

First, to say James has done nothing wrong and has lucked out in a major way. I'm jealous.

Second, for those who are trying to bring real life morals into this (especially one in particular): that is totally irrelevant. The world of EVE is not the real life world. Role play a bit and you will see that our moral codes do not apply to EVE. EVE is a society where capitalism has triumphed completely: all our characters were brought up in this society. It is a society where the corporations rule: we've already seen that big and not so big corps can defeat imperial fleets. It's the same mistake made by those who judge the behaviour of, for example, Rome based on modern day moral standards. People act based on the society they live in, and in EVE we live in a money is everything society: James has acted entirely within character to my mind, as have TTI, getting beligerent over something which is at source entirely their fault.

EVE is not 21st Century Earth.

Macumba
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2003.08.19 11:32:00 - [106]
 

Why don't you ask your own corp members about getting screwed over, Calladen?

I'm not going to drop anybody from TTI in the ****, even if I despise their arrogance, but look a little closer to home if you want an example of people being screwed over. Maybe if they're honest they'll speak up, or maybe they'll just cut their losses and leave the corp.

Disgruntled employees speak volumes. Spend a little less time looking down your nose at people and pay a little more attention to your staff.

Elitist pricks deserve no courtesy.

James Hawkings
Armoured Assassins
Posted - 2003.08.19 12:44:00 - [107]
 

christ, princess your still on the attack, take a breather for a while. nobody likes being insulted and being told repeatedly that ther selfish. and there is no connection to behavior in rl and then behavoir in eve.

getting the 100mil is not like piracy, its not like stealing. i saw the buy order and i filled it, it wasn't till a little bit after did roark come up and demand hte money back, he did not ask, he did not say please. the deals he overed me were weak. every deal involved him getting back 100% of that 100mil, i got nothing out of it, i overed to buy a scorp of him for 100mil, its a 50mil at cost ship, so he'd only be losing half his money, but thats when he said he tried to be nice and said my corp and i were going to suffer.

btw, if people are looking for me on the game , i'm having internet problems right now and i'm logging on to the forums from the libary near me.

Drusilla
Posted - 2003.08.19 14:48:00 - [108]
 

Princess: I like your line of thinking and sense of fair play.

Hiro Protagonist: Snow Crash is a great book.

Marius Calgar: The name's Marneus Calgar, not Marius Calgar, if you're a 40K player. If you are, drop me a note in-game, Drusilla is the name. :)

Guardian334
Posted - 2003.08.19 15:02:00 - [109]
 

At this point, if he gives the money back I'll hunt him down.

Keep it.

Milos Oberonov
Gallente
Pegasus Endeavors
Posted - 2003.08.19 15:23:00 - [110]
 

Quote:
I also am an advocate of socialism (socialized medicine for example) and helping the poor. As you can see my ingame convictions are a reflection of my real life.


So you're saying, when you play checkers you don't jump your opponent's pieces? When you play chess and your opponent makes a dumb move and exposes his queen, you don't take it out?

When you own Park Avenue and someone else lands on it, do you subsidize their rent or what? Are you an advocate for Monopoly rent control?

That's why the game vs. real life comparison is relevant. If you make mistakes in play, you lose. If you take advantage of others' mistakes in play, you win. And when it's done, you put the game away and go on about your real life.

At least, most of us do. Cool

Roark
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2003.08.19 18:16:00 - [111]
 

Hello all.

I believe that people are either confused or they have discounted or misread my earlier statement.

The mistake was mine, and I took responsibility. One of my buyers made the technical error and transposed the 100,000,000 and the 1.

Now, as opposed to what people have been saying in this thread, TTI has NOT been "Kicking and whining and screaming" for our money back. As I explained, and will explain again, I was very nice and non-confrontational with Mr. Hawkins when this occurred.

I offered him a battleship at cost, some miner IIs, and a 800 million ISK mining contract for his corporation. Only upon totally refusing and defying the pleas of his corporation was I forced to threaten action. Our corporation is one that is Caldari based, and it is my understanding that using force to prove an economic point is quite commonplace.

I have since been contacted in private by the exectutives from that corporation, with whom I have had some nice conversations.

So the few of you that are incorrectly saying that TTI is "whining about losing their money" are completely incorrect. This thread was begun by the recipient who chose to gloat (quite unprofessional) and chose to drag his corporation into the public spotlight. As can be seen, despite all of this nonsense, I have offered something that would bring close to a billion in revenue to his corporation.


nails
Caldari
Ota Corps
Posted - 2003.08.19 18:47:00 - [112]
 

From what I've seen James has offered TTi a realistic deal for the money back not once but twice. Since the battleship would not work out, he offered to give the isk back for 100 miner IIs. Everyone here knows that miner IIs cost little more than the miner Is to make. Yet he is telling James that he can only get miner IIs for 3some million each. Does this sound right? It makes it sound like TTi does not even have miner II prints. The next door post to this one is Techell corp advertising miner IIs for 2.5 million even less than what members inside TTi can get. I'm sorry but this just confuses me. Being realistic it would cost TTi maybe 5 million worth of minerals to make a stack of 100 Miner IIs.

I also couldn't help but notice that since Roark's last post he has changed official amount of miner IIs he wants to part with. In the first post it was

b) A big pile of Miner 2s that TTI can get for cheaply via a pricing arrangement

now it's some miner IIs.

James picked offer b and asked for 100 miner IIs in trade, I would qualify that as a big pile, but still Roark is refusing.

This looks more like a case of "give us the isk back or else" "we will trade you all this stuff for the isk back" "ok here is my offer" "uh now we are going to trade you allot less stuff for the isk back".

I'm not bashing anyone, but Roark is confusing the hell out of me.



Dragon Emperor
Amarr
Dark Design
Posted - 2003.08.19 18:47:00 - [113]
 

Quote:
Hello all.

I believe that people are either confused or they have discounted or misread my earlier statement.

The mistake was mine, and I took responsibility. One of my buyers made the technical error and transposed the 100,000,000 and the 1.

Now, as opposed to what people have been saying in this thread, TTI has NOT been "Kicking and whining and screaming" for our money back. As I explained, and will explain again, I was very nice and non-confrontational with Mr. Hawkins when this occurred.

I offered him a battleship at cost, some miner IIs, and a 800 million ISK mining contract for his corporation. Only upon totally refusing and defying the pleas of his corporation was I forced to threaten action. Our corporation is one that is Caldari based, and it is my understanding that using force to prove an economic point is quite commonplace.

I have since been contacted in private by the exectutives from that corporation, with whom I have had some nice conversations.

So the few of you that are incorrectly saying that TTI is "whining about losing their money" are completely incorrect. This thread was begun by the recipient who chose to gloat (quite unprofessional) and chose to drag his corporation into the public spotlight. As can be seen, despite all of this nonsense, I have offered something that would bring close to a billion in revenue to his corporation.




page 3, last post, end of story.Rolling Eyes

Dragon Emperor
Amarr
Dark Design
Posted - 2003.08.19 18:53:00 - [114]
 

//Regarding looking up ISP's. We don't condone this activity.//

page 3, last post, end of story againLaughing

Derek
Caldari
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
The Chamber of Commerce
Posted - 2003.08.19 19:59:00 - [115]
 

please stop bringing tehels post into this. That was a hypothetical statement with no value and yet everyone is trying to make it sound like TTI policy. Tehel woulnt do that he would bring his b-ship to the door and start podkilling james unless he gave the money back. James would have a choice in the matter. Thats just the way tehel is. Please leave him and the rest of TTI out of this as it was between james and roark.

The thing here is that James has a choice. Roark has stated that he would rather come to an aggreement than use force but if you lost 100 mill to a small human error would you not use what means you have at your disposal to get it back? Its not the Caldari way ot the TTI way to just let 100 mill slip away without a fight.

For gods sake this should be betweem james and roark , it shouln't even be public discussion.

James has made his bed and now he can choose whether or not he wants to lie in it.

Dragon Emperor
Amarr
Dark Design
Posted - 2003.08.19 20:22:00 - [116]
 

company A paid 100M USD to company B for an item through a valid honest market trade, then think it doesn't worth the money, so start harassing company B to pay back the money, in the mean time, killer X of company A start killing members of Company B, and officer Y of company A said: "leave killer X alone, it's not company A's policy, it's just the way killer X is......" Rolling Eyes

Roark
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2003.08.19 20:42:00 - [117]
 

The 100 Miner II deal he offered was terrible. TTI does not produce Miner IIs, but I can buy them for somewhat cheaply because of a pricing arrangement. To give him 100 miner IIs would have cost me between 300 and 400 million ISK, quite a bit more than the 100 mil ISK lost.

Calladen Nimitz
Caldari
Todaki Innovations
Posted - 2003.08.19 20:58:00 - [118]
 


Macumba,

Class warfare is useless. Besides we've never said we're elitest just exclusive. Our membership is varied and we have multi-millionares and truck drivers as members. The one common theme though is a way of thinking. That capitalism is THE way to do business.

I only know of two members who have been terminated from our company since beta. As an Executive I was part of the decision process and I support their leaving. Regarding disgruntled employees we have no employees at TTI. All our members are free to start their own businesses and achieve whatever it is THEY want to achieve.

It's easy to alledge the type of discontent and dissatisfaction as you have done here. When asked for proof you have provided nothing more then MORE allegations again with no substantiation.

If you know of something we should deal with feel free to email me privately. I'm willing to work with everyone but how can you know about a problem when no one is talking about it?

So send me an email (which I'll hopefully be able to read when it comes back up) and we'll talk. But posting as your doing has done nothing to support your position as you have not produced any supporting evidence of it. As seen in the "Venal Incident" (Pure Blind) TTI is more then willing to own up to its mistakes, make reparations and move on. We do NOT screw people over.

It's been said a satisfied customer will tell one person about good service, a dissatisfied person will tell ten? From all the flaming and trolling going on here you'd think we have a fileroom full of complaints. Actually we've only had three since beta (when I started) and we've dealt with them. One more is outstanding but will be resolved shortly.

Calladen Nimitz

Calladen Nimitz
Caldari
Todaki Innovations
Posted - 2003.08.19 21:01:00 - [119]
 

Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 20/08/2003 00:13:22


Quote:
"I mean, hypothetically, if Taggart "accidentally" supplied M0o with minerals for ships and it was then discovered that M0o were using those ships to kill other players and not go on those deep space mining oeprations they had said the ships would be used for, thereby reducing Taggart's standing in the world of Eve, then Taggart should pay the price for their mistake. No whining. No complaining. Take your medicine and live with it."


I don't deal in hypothetical situations. TTI has many mining and shipbuilding operations. I'm sure many other companies have sold minerals and ships to pirates yet I see no mention of that in your complaint.

Perhaps we need everone to release their journals so we can see EVERYONE who has sold everyone stuff on the market? It's probably a pretty long list.

Calladen Nimitz

Homo Erectus
Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2003.08.19 21:07:00 - [120]
 

LOL @ TTI.

YOU GUYS ARE SMERT. S M E R T.

WAH WAH GIMMIE MY MONEY BACK OR I KILL YUO.

roflomfgglmfaoroofle.


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