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Thomus
Thomus Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.12.19 10:26:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Coconut Joe
Give me your address and I'll send the 60 cents you've lost these last 3 days.
And maybe something else.


Yeah, go on, **** thru his letterbox.

I almost NEVER suffer from lag. Cuz i stay out of busy systems, and dont launch 2000 shuttles outside my station or make pictures outta secure cans. If i can manage with no problems, you must also be able to do the same thing. Whatever it is ur doing that results in u being laggy, it's your CHOICE to do so. Change ur ways = solution 2 ur problem.

Karunel
Princeps Corp
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2005.12.19 10:27:00 - [62]
 

Quote:
EVE is paid month by month AND AT a increased rate over other mmog's.


I pay 11 a month for eve, and even if I did pay 15 I don't see it as being a very "increased rate over other mmog's". And frankly, it's A FREE EXPANSION, because I don't have to waste 40 bucks importing it to enjoy it but I get it by downloading a file that costs nothing.

Really, stop the drama, it's getting ridiculous. Evil or Very Mad

sonofollo
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.12.19 10:31:00 - [63]
 

yeah a bit overboard things are working much better now btw except for a certain offical channel

Sybylle
Amarr
ICE is Coming to EVE
Tau Ceti Federation
Posted - 2005.12.19 10:34:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Discorporation
Fix the servers?

Yeah, seems like the perfect compensation to me.


Got my vote on this one ;)

Angelic Resolution
The Arcanum
Posted - 2005.12.19 10:42:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Sybylle
Originally by: Discorporation
Fix the servers?

Yeah, seems like the perfect compensation to me.


Got my vote on this one ;)


They already did it IMO. I hope CCP gives everyone lvl 5 to the skill they are doing atm for x-mas, except for the whingers :) That'd be bitter sweet irony IMHO :D

Sybylle
Amarr
ICE is Coming to EVE
Tau Ceti Federation
Posted - 2005.12.19 10:48:00 - [66]
 

Yummy...I'll take...Advanced weapons upgrades lvl 5 :D
Or advanced spaceship lvl V.



fairimear
Gallente
The Sp00Ks
Posted - 2005.12.19 10:49:00 - [67]
 

well i pay more for it than i would for wow and frankly at 20 a paid expansion aint a big deal here.

but really i don't want free thisor that. all i want is admitance of fault and a apoilgy for wrecking my xmas weekend.

NotoMM
Posted - 2005.12.19 10:52:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
Nothing. Read your EULA. They don't owe anyone anything.

Or so the EULA would claim. However in this country, it is up the judiciary to decide such things. I am waiting for the day that some company tries to convince a judge that because a EULA they don't have to give a reasonable service. Oh yes, I want to be in court to hear his reply and be thankful that I am not the poor sod who will have to endure his rather caustic remarks. Very Happy

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2005.12.19 10:58:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: NotoMM
Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
Nothing. Read your EULA. They don't owe anyone anything.

Or so the EULA would claim. However in this country, it is up the judiciary to decide such things. I am waiting for the day that some company tries to convince a judge that because a EULA they don't have to give a reasonable service. Oh yes, I want to be in court to hear his reply and be thankful that I am not the poor sod who will have to endure his rather caustic remarks. Very Happy



Court would throw it out. No SLA, no case.

Rover Vitesse
Gallente
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2005.12.19 11:03:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: fairimear
Seriously if i hear 1 MORE person say this was a free expansion so live with it i will hunt u down.

EVE is paid month by month AND AT a increased rate over other mmog's.
What part of the expansion is free?
the client upgrades.
the only reason they are free is some bull about every 1 having to have them at once.
and that would only leave new ships for a paid expansion, and we all know theres not enogth contnet in that alone to warent it.

AND this is now the 5th day eve has been unplayable.
AND ON XMAS holidays.
frankly they should have known better than to patch before the first xmas weekend and what is probably in the top 3 busiest days of the year.

CCP atleast need to make a full and complet admitance they had been rong to patch and a apoligy.


Erm...this was free...

*runs away and hides

Lucas Smaise
Rae Corp
Posted - 2005.12.19 11:11:00 - [71]
 

Remember that when we want compensation it seriously takes away some founding that CCP could use to fix the problems we are seing now.

It may not sound like much but try sum it up if they give 3 days worth of compensation. This could be the money they need to keep the server going or buy some new hardware etc.

We all know that when you patch the next few days are very bad. And patching before weekend doubles the problems because of the 20k+ players always trying to login at the same time.

You shouldnt take risk if you are not ready to loose stuff. Its patch time and we all know it can go wrong.

PS: CCP plz try to make Khanid region more playable 8)


Lucas Smaise

Mned Graydroggen
Mercurialis Inc.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2005.12.19 11:52:00 - [72]
 

For me, the ppl arguing for some sort of refund do have a point from an consumers starting position. Some arguments are solid and indisputable.

However, for me as an artist, I have great respect for the 5 or so Icelandic rl ppl who one day came out of the pub and decided to spent their time on this planet creating an online game.

Their vision was on greatness and they stuck to it. The rl ppl who we refer to as Devs are still spending their waking hours everyday on giving us this Universe to fool around in.
And common, lets get serious, we are fooling around. Spending the time given to us on this planet having fun with a combination of 0's and 1's.

If anyone feels some sort of pain for spending rl iks on this game, then let him spend the money on some other game or beers or something.
The Vision that created EVE won't suffer from it, and as long as there are Devs giving their time to realise this Vision, they have my support.
I feel no pain spending rl isk on EVE. As EVE is in the frontline of the mmorpg's. That there be some hickups is nothing out of the ordinairy. Noone has gone here before and our Devs have sofar always found answers to the problems that arose.

The Vision, thats what EVE is all about for me.
An virtual enviournment is beeing created worthy of the name. Ppl working together keeping an online world alive.
That the current hardware can't keep up with the Vision and it's succes, imo only warrants an whine adressed at the modernday engenering society in general. More than whinage directed at Visionairs who want to bring VR to the next level.

Mned

VinLieger
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2005.12.19 11:54:00 - [73]
 

Directed at OP and anyone who agrees with him. Compensation for what? For a free content patch? I cant beleive some people are so cheap. Its 13 pounds/euros/dollars a month that is not that much money. Oh no you lost 3 days play out of 1 month so thats 28 days left that you cans till play stop whining and get on with your life. Some of you may not know this but its just a game

Bhaal
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2005.12.19 11:58:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Bhaal on 19/12/2005 11:58:22
Originally by: Sochin
Try leaving Jita for once.

You can tell who the supercarebears are because they are the ones whining on the forums about lag. I'm in Torrinos atm, and have zero lag. Stop crowding into 3 systems with thousands of other people and maybe the lag will decrease.


Let me tell you. My shopping alt was in empire all weekend trying to Christmas shop for Bhaal, and all of empire was crap for me.

I covered many systems/regions on my shopping trip, I was very disappointed in the LAAAAGGGGG...

sonofollo
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.12.19 12:01:00 - [75]
 

we all know post big patch lag takes 2-3 weeks to fix via hotfixes etc a good job hsa been done and thoes of us smart enough to be low sec are lagless and legless.

nahtoh
Caldari
Brotherhood of The Saltire
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2005.12.19 12:02:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: fairimear
well i pay more for it than i would for wow and frankly at 20 a paid expansion aint a big deal here.

but really i don't want free thisor that. all i want is admitance of fault and a apoilgy for wrecking my xmas weekend.


Tell you what why don't you use the time machine you have skiped to next weekend with so they can have a copy of all teh hotfixes they have deployed since thursday/friday?

As you do seem to be running slightly out of sync with teh rest of teh world it only being the 19th of Dec here...

VinLieger
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2005.12.19 12:02:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Bhaal
Edited by: Bhaal on 19/12/2005 11:58:22
Originally by: Sochin
Try leaving Jita for once.

You can tell who the supercarebears are because they are the ones whining on the forums about lag. I'm in Torrinos atm, and have zero lag. Stop crowding into 3 systems with thousands of other people and maybe the lag will decrease.


Let me tell you. My shopping alt was in empire all weekend trying to Christmas shop for Bhaal, and all of empire was crap for me.

I covered many systems/regions on my shopping trip, I was very disappointed in the LAAAAGGGGG...



Since the reboot on friday i have had very little lag and ive spent most of my time in empire. I get the odd spots here and there but most of the time its fine

Bhaal
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2005.12.19 12:04:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: sonofollo
we all know post big patch lag takes 2-3 weeks to fix via hotfixes etc a good job hsa been done and thoes of us smart enough to be low sec are lagless and legless.


So they give us a "free" expansion that takes them 2-3 weeks to get to run smoothly, I guess it evens out...

You pay a monthly fee but can't use the game for about a month while your "free" expansion has the kinks worked out of it...Confused

Mrmuttley
National Health Service
Posted - 2005.12.19 12:16:00 - [79]
 

I dont agree with the OP but i would love to know what he classes as " Major compentsation" 1? $10? $100 (bear in mind this has to go out to 80K active accounts) so any figure you think of remember to multiply by that figure.

and to Farimear yes it was a free expansion as you did not have to pay anything above your normal subs. So come on and hunt me down I'm looking forward to it.

Bhaal
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2005.12.19 12:33:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: VinLieger
Originally by: Bhaal
Edited by: Bhaal on 19/12/2005 11:58:22
Originally by: Sochin
Try leaving Jita for once.

You can tell who the supercarebears are because they are the ones whining on the forums about lag. I'm in Torrinos atm, and have zero lag. Stop crowding into 3 systems with thousands of other people and maybe the lag will decrease.


Let me tell you. My shopping alt was in empire all weekend trying to Christmas shop for Bhaal, and all of empire was crap for me.

I covered many systems/regions on my shopping trip, I was very disappointed in the LAAAAGGGGG...



Since the reboot on friday i have had very little lag and ive spent most of my time in empire. I get the odd spots here and there but most of the time its fine


Good for you, maybe you can let me use your account?

Himo Amasacia
Minmatar
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2005.12.19 12:37:00 - [81]
 

I want to be compensated to the time I spent reading "I want to be compensated" threads..

TuRtLe HeAd
Apocalypse Enterprises
Posted - 2005.12.19 12:48:00 - [82]
 

3 days hmmm, Looks like I'd get about 98p.

Yet another example of every one out to screw over someone else, Its people like that,that make bogus insurance claims that leaves the average normal person like me Forking out higher Premiums.

I'm just glad its all sorted. Im not fussed about compensation, I am More than happy with the last 2.8 years of fun CCP have given me.

Teles666
Caldari
Free Space Tech
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2005.12.19 13:34:00 - [83]
 

Can I have a titan, even a caldari one will do :)

Binary Mind
Posted - 2005.12.19 13:56:00 - [84]
 

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
I'm Shinnen, I can't take being 3 days off my PC, I want my Eve and Milk

Summersnow
Posted - 2005.12.19 14:21:00 - [85]
 

This patch was about new stuff most people won't ever see and fixing lag.

The new stuff isn't in and the lag got worse, database lag is excrutiating even last night with 4k people online.

In addition t2 production is broken because of ram issues, all production is awkward and poorly implemented ( far more click intensive then old system and unintuitive as to the steps needed, very bad implementation imho ) - how many petitions did you get cause people didn't know they had to "deliver" the goods this weekend oveur?

Arguing that the playerbase isn't due compensation because they gave us a patch that basically amounted to free lag, no t2 production, unreadable font, and content that isn't even in game yet really indicates who the blind AK's are.

Personally, I just want my deimos back.

Sergio Ling
Posted - 2005.12.19 14:59:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Summersnow
This patch was about new stuff most people won't ever see and fixing lag.

The new stuff isn't in and the lag got worse, database lag is excrutiating even last night with 4k people online.

In addition t2 production is broken because of ram issues, all production is awkward and poorly implemented ( far more click intensive then old system and unintuitive as to the steps needed, very bad implementation imho ) - how many petitions did you get cause people didn't know they had to "deliver" the goods this weekend oveur?

Arguing that the playerbase isn't due compensation because they gave us a patch that basically amounted to free lag, no t2 production, unreadable font, and content that isn't even in game yet really indicates who the blind AK's are.

Personally, I just want my deimos back.


that's because it's under a week from patch day. maybe CCP should have closed the server for a week, and recruited 6thousand people to play as RMR Beta on the server. oh no, that STILL wouldn't have stress tested it ptoperly. there are so many babies. i dunno, go outside and touch a girl. might work for you

eb0la Lipz
Posted - 2005.12.19 15:01:00 - [87]
 

dunno if someones already said this but giving us 2 or 3 days free of charge would be the right thing to do and might stop the whiners from whining so much.
while i was playing WoW,Blizzard gave us countless days for free whenever there were problems like this.

just my 2 centsCool

Prothos
Caldari
Posted - 2005.12.19 15:06:00 - [88]
 

only thing i ask is to better test the patches. when testing add all ships and mods to test server. the new t2 ships that are being introduced never got tested by the majority.
Mirror test server more often.
Speed skill train up on test server.

Ghost Red
The Scope
Posted - 2005.12.19 15:10:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Shinnen

Any suggestions?


Get a life.

The Wizz117
Reikoku
KenZoku
Posted - 2005.12.19 17:09:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Lord Elric
As long as they fix the server load issue that will be compensation enough



Which is exactly what we have been doing and will continue to do.



ah for our 3-4 days downtime/lag we get the compensation of the great thing that we will probitly not have a 5th day of lag Laughing


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