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Sreyaluskaya Moyl
Posted - 2005.12.05 00:22:00 - [151]
 

Well personally I would be buying a new account because I can't be arsed to exploit the trial account system, it's hardly worth the time for the £10p/month, and I was thinking of giving a new account a go. Anyway, I consider giving money to CCP an investment, however small, in a game I like playing. Then after seeing how RMR pans out I would probably give the account to my brother if he would just upgrade his 32MB TNT Riva(!)

But in general

buying accounts to macro mine = big problem right now

buying accounts to make money by expoiting macroers = theoeretical problem for the future.

Perhaps the macroers themselves will find a way to automate the killing of other macroers, if there's money in it?

Pandemic Thinking
Caldari
Posted - 2005.12.05 00:34:00 - [152]
 

Edited by: Pandemic Thinking on 05/12/2005 00:34:34
HIS ONE WILL ROCK YOUR WORLD!!

We killed this guys retreiver in Jita, hustled our pods back to kisogo to wait out our timer and regroup and refit. Our Recovery Team recovered an Ice harvester mining laser, which we put on the market to pay for more ships. Low and behold the VICTIM purchases the Ice harvester for 2.7 million from us.., Making sure that we have 10 more ships to hit him with...


2005.12.05 00:14:00
Victim: feil[removed]
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Pator Tech School
Destroyed Type: Retriever
Solar System: Jita
System Security Level: 0.9

Involved parties:

Name: Slab McThornbody
Security Status: 0.0
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Reservior Dogs
Ship Type: Capsule
Weapon Type: Rocket Launcher I

Name: Gary Busey
Security Status: -1.7
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Reservior Dogs
Ship Type: Capsule
Weapon Type: Rocket Launcher I

Name: Hundesoldat
Security Status: -0.9
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Reservior Dogs

Sreyaluskaya Moyl
Posted - 2005.12.05 00:56:00 - [153]
 

Edited by: Sreyaluskaya Moyl on 05/12/2005 01:07:52
Originally by: Pandemic Thinking


...which we put on the market to pay for more ships. Low and behold the VICTIM purchases the Ice harvester for 2.7 million from us.., Making sure that we have 10 more ships to hit him with...




"Irony Online"

Is this worthy of another massive feature in PC Gamer UK? It's a great angle on a big story in MMO's generally, (he hinted subtlely).

edit - less subtlely, vigilantism. It's heroic/romantic, and real people do it, who you can interview. And it's got explosions.

ZZandra
Point-Zero
SMASH Alliance
Posted - 2005.12.05 03:10:00 - [154]
 

A job well done. Keep up the good work. ISK sellers beware!

Pandemic Thinking
Caldari
Posted - 2005.12.05 12:36:00 - [155]
 

Another hit. This one was paid for by a EVE player who gave our corp the cash to buy the kessies, launchers and missiles

Victim: womanGeneral
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: School of Applied Knowledge
Destroyed Type: Retriever
Solar System: Jita
System Security Level: 0.9

Involved parties:

Name: Drummore
Security Status: 3.2
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Reservior Dogs
Ship Type: Kestrel
Weapon Type: Rocket Launcher I

Name: Arthur Twosheds
Security Status: -0.7
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Reservior Dogs
Ship Type: Kestrel
Weapon Type: Rocket Launcher I

Name: Gorgyles (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 0.0
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: State War Academy
Ship Type: Kestrel
Weapon Type: Thorn Rocket I



Pandemic Thinking
Caldari
Posted - 2005.12.06 03:52:00 - [156]
 

The fight continues - Our Members have started to pass the -2.0 mark and are now moving into lower sec space. Jita is still a hot place for our operations, and we've done serious damage. The most humorous is the Macro's buying back the Ice harvesters we grab as loot for 2.7 million a snag.

We are a trusting lot, but we suffered a small set back when we were hit by a corp thief. The damage was small - about 3 million worth - but it shown more our character than theirs when we received donations of a couple million isk, from the player base, and was able to resume operations immediately.

We've lost track of the number of Macro's we've taken down - I estimate about 25 have falled to our attacks. I can't be online 23/7 and I rely on Killmails and the ever plunging sec rating of the corp player base.

I have been watching for the tactics of the Macro's to evolve and change, pressured by the threat of our attacks, but this has not been realized. We've hit the same player 3 times, only to see them refitted and back in the fields at the end of the day, seemingly unaware that we are approaching for another attack - bloody obvious - we show our bounty markers [the skulls] proudly.

We are able to take in more members now, and hope that you are starting your own militias in your regions to secure your space for the players and not the isk farmers. We don't want a UO or an EQ2 here in EVE and we must be ready to fight to keep it for the people who Play the game.

Remember...

St Dragon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.12.06 03:57:00 - [157]
 

Well it seems ccp have some suprises for macros

trial accounts cant use industrial skills

Isk transfers nerfed for trial accounts

Ability to renew trial accounts using trial account keyes Nerfed

Can flagging

And some other stuff i cant remember.

All on evenews under the ovyer interviewTwisted Evil

slip66
Resilience.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2005.12.06 03:58:00 - [158]
 

are there any knwn spots in the domain/amarr space region?

Godpool
Posted - 2005.12.06 04:21:00 - [159]
 

I want to say that I think you are really having an effect.

As my own private research, I have been logging the number of pages on EBAY for eve online.

One month ago it peaked at 22 pages of EVE goods ISK for sale.

Then it levels at 18 pages and now it is just

12 pages! and it has been that way for about a week.

I have NEVER seen it at 12 pages, not since June maybe when I started tracking the information.

I know there are lots of reasons why it is down to 12 pages, but I want to say that one reason could be CCP and the Resevoir Dogs.

Actaeonis
Perfect Circle Industries
Posted - 2005.12.15 13:48:00 - [160]
 

RMR and Ebay miners...
It warms my hart to read this thread…I was starting to feel everyone was get anesthetized to the sight of Macro miners raping belts in high sec space. But I feel barges are becoming a thing of the past. I’ve noticed a distinct trend of these guys moving to Apocs to mine in. The indy is still easy enough to deal with…until they move to transports. But taking down Apoc miners will take some time…and man power.

Systems around Youl are going to get hot but it’s going to be FUN!!

BlackKnight
Posted - 2005.12.15 14:15:00 - [161]
 

Take a run voer to the Malkalen Ice Belts folks. I spent four hours over there terrorizing three groups of macros there (bumping retrievers and iterons, stealing and replacing cans then blowing them up, etc.)
I counted 15 retrievers and 3 Iterons in there.
There were actual players in there that finally came to assist with the effort to get them out of there.
I have talked with Gary Busey/Reservoir Dogs, but I don't believe any anti-macro corp has gone in there and cleaned them out.

TIA.

Blood good
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2005.12.15 14:16:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: Sreyaluskaya Moyl
Sterling work, well done.

If there was a way I could pay to watch a big smartbombing crew go up against the macroers, I would.

So Netas, I'll pay you a couple of million for ringside seats at the next display, if it's near me when I'm playing. (very likely).

Publicise the next slaughter, then when you've got a crowd gathered to watch you, provide the entertainment. Then pass around the hat.

I can tell you, if I saw a decent macro-slaying I'd gladly cough up a couple of million towards your costs on the spot.

And I'm just one player. Get lots of people to watch and you won't lose any ISK at all! You could even have a nice little earner on your hands! Super Sunday.... exclusive rights....$$$...Destruction derby tonite!!!!

So - time and place for the next hit, I'll pay you a couple of mill to watch the carnage. Anyone else interested?

LIVE macroer destruction! Who wouldn't pay to watch that!




Id pay for that :)
Pay for seeing macro miners getting blown to pieces.

Lori Carlyle
Posted - 2005.12.15 14:17:00 - [163]
 

KILL THEM ALL

BlackKnight
Posted - 2005.12.15 14:18:00 - [164]
 

I should add that I was graciously paid 5 mil isk for my efforts by the "real" miners in the area.

Marcus Sovereign
Posted - 2005.12.15 14:24:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Mr Floppyknickers
Edited by: Mr Floppyknickers on 01/12/2005 00:44:33
One has to wonder how long it will be before there is a section of the website where you can buy in game items for RL cash that is run by CCP.

When you think about it, CCP has few options when dealing with macrofarmers. They can stay with the status quo, continuing to take petitions and deal with them on an account by account basis. Or they can become a macrofarmer's worst nightmare... competition in an already overcrowded market.

The former is time-consuming and a hit-and-miss approach to controlling the problem. The latter would allow them to tap into additional revenue, and they wouldn't have to worry about having to hire a bunch of "macro-slaves" to mine and sell.

SOE did this with EQ2. I'm not certain if they did it to hurt the farmers and ebayers, or if they just decided to tap into an extra source of revenue.

Be careful what you wish for.

Personally, I abhor the practise of buying and selling isk... but what are you going to do?

Aarn Khaar
Gallente
Posted - 2005.12.15 14:37:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: sonofollo
well the find them petition them and steal their jet can ore also works wonders - it lowers their output and as long as peititoning u are quite ok to play the ore theif role that is a valid ingame element.

Barring that launch youre own jetcan pull all the ore out of theirs into youres and blow it up (youre one) that way they loose the ore and u blow the can (of course after RMR simply leave it in youre can) when they take it back blow em skyhigh


A much more reasonable and thoughtful answer. I am sorry to the original poster but your methods are not fool proof. Some people do have a language barrier. Some people are not at the keyboard during the entire mining process. I for one do alt+tab to read the forums and check out of game websites for information. Then alt+tab back and dump my cargo hold into my secured canister until it is full. Then fly to station to get my industrial.

Anyway, your philosphy of casualities of war is disturbing. Killing one innocent pilot is too much. Not to mention you are ruining your security rating. Hopefully, you will change practices to what the quoted poster suggests.

Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
Coreli Corporation
Naraka.
Posted - 2005.12.15 14:38:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: Nyphur
So instead of using cheap suicide frigates and ganking each barge or indy with concentrated fire, you got right up next to a bunch and suicided some really expensive battleships to take them out.

Bad plan :/.


you know back in the day there was this feature called insurance...

Corvus Dove
Caldari
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas.
Posted - 2005.12.15 14:58:00 - [168]
 

Reservoir Dogs:

Stop selling them for 2.7 mil. Jack the prices up for the whole region and force them to leave high sec to buy miners affordably. They'll either take a hit again, or they'll waltz into low sec and get shot to hell.

Mac Danniels
Posted - 2005.12.15 15:37:00 - [169]
 

My concern is this,

Say these groups have 20 accounts per person, and there are 500 groups.

That's about 150,000 Dollars going into CCP's Accounts from the macro miners.

Why would CCP want to stop that income?

I am a new player, 5 days, but it seems that is a lot of money to run out of a game.

Lee

Mimio
Caldari
Free Space Pilots aka Banderlogs
Red Alliance
Posted - 2005.12.15 16:04:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: Mac Danniels
My concern is this,

Say these groups have 20 accounts per person, and there are 500 groups.

That's about 150,000 Dollars going into CCP's Accounts from the macro miners.

Why would CCP want to stop that income?

I am a new player, 5 days, but it seems that is a lot of money to run out of a game.

Lee


because it damages CCP bussinnes. Rememeber, chineese farmers are not for paying to CCP, but for making money on CCP field. As result when they invest for example 150000 they expect at least 150000 return. Where they plan to get 300000? On EBay.
From OTHER players.
- Having isks sold en masse over EBay Eve quickly get extremely bad opinion (rememeber Lineage?)It is bad for Eve community.
- There are a lots of inexperienced people with billions of money. It is bad for Eve community.
- Consequences for economy may disastrous. I doubts that Eve team expected thousands macrominers as source of ore.
- Server load. Nobody wants to get additional server load from char controlled by computer. I prefer to see more live person in the game, than different "igfdrs", "Pretty girl05", "HuangHuang" etc.

Rakhan kane
Minmatar
Fringe Exploration And Salvage Trust
Posted - 2005.12.15 16:12:00 - [171]
 

There was a clever macroer who thought people wouldn't recognise him as one if he put all his alts into a corp.

Cost him 9 barges, 2 haulers and 2 pods to learn what a mistake that was.

I have all his alts in my addressbook, so when RMR goes live, it's time to pay him a visit again. Twisted Evil

Jiggy
Minmatar
Posted - 2005.12.15 16:15:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: Mimio

because it damages CCP bussinnes. Rememeber, chineese farmers are not for paying to CCP, but for making money on CCP field. As result when they invest for example 150000 they expect at least 150000 return. Where they plan to get 300000? On EBay.
From OTHER players.
- Having isks sold en masse over EBay Eve quickly get extremely bad opinion (rememeber Lineage?)It is bad for Eve community.
- There are a lots of inexperienced people with billions of money. It is bad for Eve community.
- Consequences for economy may disastrous. I doubts that Eve team expected thousands macrominers as source of ore.
- Server load. Nobody wants to get additional server load from char controlled by computer. I prefer to see more live person in the game, than different "igfdrs", "Pretty girl05", "HuangHuang" etc.

Unfortunately the evidence supports the "CCP either like it, or dont care" approach.

Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
Posted - 2005.12.15 16:28:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: Jiggy
Unfortunately the evidence supports the "CCP either like it, or dont care" approach.


This is something I am quite confused about. This thread prompted me to go and take a look at the eBay situation for myself and I am frankly shocked by the amount of EVE exploit related crap on sale there.

Why doesn't CCP enforce it's EULA in cooperation with eBay by having them remove all of those auctions and ban the responsible ISP's?

Arcticblue2
Gallente
Nordic Freelancers inc
Posted - 2005.12.15 16:33:00 - [174]
 

I agree ... the evidence shows us that CCP does not deal with macrominers or are unable to deal with them, myself we find macrominers in lowsec well... might be iskfarmers but that is not better to be honest, we blow them up on sight...

So far we have taken out 3-4 barges maybe more from the same group on 3 different times.

The very first macrominer that I met, I have sent in 3 petitions on and still after like 2 months or so they still work 23/7... I did add him to my addressbook to see when he logs on, every day he does just that.

He is a confirmed macrominer, I have followed his progress for a while too, first when I met him and his group he was mining in medium miningbarges and brutixes .. (brutixes where for protection), he operated down to 0.5 systems, a few weeks after first time he had one battleship (megathron) as protection (drones)... as far as I know he still use medium miningbarges (might have moved up to large) and megathrons for protections.

First time I met him he was mining for Kernite, same with second time... third time he moved over to pyroxeres because in the area of his (mind you this was many many systems) there just where no more kernite.

sonofollo
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.12.15 16:55:00 - [175]
 

articblue - i think with the advent of RMR that to ge at these battleships is going to require player corps to go after these guys with multiple battleships and jammers. It can be done and will be interesting to see how things pan out.

GoldHorn
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2005.12.15 16:57:00 - [176]
 

So many whiners. U are like a banch of grannies. Actualy grannies dont whine so much.

In 1 month u will all be here again whining about mineral and ship prices. Wonder if your age or IQ is 10.

sonofollo
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.12.15 17:00:00 - [177]
 

lol goldhorn - we wont be whining when we start to take the little worm bots down in combat. Me and others will clense kador and kor azor region. Pick up some nice loot in the process me thinks. Course there are deep ISK pockets behind this and will never erase it but it should relaly be some fun blowing stuff up in empire

Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
Posted - 2005.12.15 17:01:00 - [178]
 

Okay, so now I have absorbed this whole thread and I have a growing sense of being appalled by this situation.

While I applaud the players who are attempting to address the matter with in-game solutions, this is a piecemeal effort and will not end the problem.

Perhaps we need to put greater pressure on CCP to address the problem. More creative solutions need to implemented to cut off the exploit at source.

One idea might be for CCP to implement mining "mini-games" that require regular active participation and cannot be anticipated by scripts.

Another might be to simply disallow mutiple accounts per person.

In any case, these exploiters have to be stopped. Mad

MegAtomic
Amarr
Posted - 2005.12.15 17:11:00 - [179]
 

Got a few last week in Veisto. they have not been seen there since.

Bumped them and all no reply. But I dont have a BC so we took all their ore and stored it. Was about 100K cargospace in all. Its still in my hangar unrefined as I refuse to let it hit the market and destroy the oreprices more

I don't like stealing but from these guys I do. I just dont get better off it myself as I dont use what I steal.

The names of the miners were:

Kooelry
Kommow
Towwol
Killtime20051111

these 4 were 100% confirmed. and reported to a GM. Age all the same up until the day. All from the School of Applied Knowledge

2 others that I suspect were the haulers but I am not sure. Could have been outsiders. All memebers of the NPC corp Republic Military School.

Aeccto
Dhaato
Pan Maokuan

These were not killed as I lack the firepower and skills. But if someones sees them feel free to burn to a crisp


xanjezor
Blue Labs
Knights Of the Southerncross
Posted - 2005.12.15 17:31:00 - [180]
 

Interesting read.Wink To those who practice the suicide bombings of the macroers, just a small piece of advice on sec status...why, after taking down farmer/s, don't u go to a roid belt and kill a few rats?Surprised I was under the impression that this would boost your sec status? or maybe it might not boost it by enough? can someone comment?Confused Strangely enough, I love to mine so anything that stops me (and others, for that matter) from enjoying the game is gonna make me do 1 of 2 things...quit EvECrying or Very sad or find away of dealing with the problem within TQ itself...as others have. As I'm not one for quitting, it would have to be the other.Twisted Evil


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