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Drutort
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2003.07.26 22:41:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Drutort on 26/07/2003 22:42:27
Quote:
The container simply is not yours to defend, ehehehe


ya maybe if they put that in writing and on there game box, i dont think they would have sold too many copies then... so please what you are saying is just stupid.


just because it is this way doesnt mean it was ment to be.

If so then all those things that got changed should have not been changed in the game.

Otherwise if things change for balance issues etc, this might be on the list of changes for the better.


Jash Illian
Minmatar
Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.
Posted - 2003.07.26 22:43:00 - [32]
 

Quote:
maybe you never mined enough to fill up a normal cargo but they do have a limit, and ya it can be reached fast with a big corp so dont give me the crap that its an exploit... tell ccp about making less space for them... you already have to wait to make other cargo's etc...

lol so you want to kill completely the stealing aspect of the game? your solution only nerfs the game...

the solution i have just gives the other person to fight back and making it fair, the other person can still steal but they have some form of risk now.



Like I said, I'm sick of the topic. People whined enough to get a completely frellin secure container implemented into the game. No way to break them open, no way to get at the cargo inside. And that's still not enough.

So I'm completely sick of hearing any more solutions until CCP fixes the blatant hole in the current one. The desires of those whining about how dangerous and risky things are around here have taken priority to everything else. The secure containers can't hold as much so you want more changes to the unsecured ones. Well boo frickin hoo.

I want:

  • Office space so my corporation doesn't have to manually trade resources to make the items the corp needs.

  • Corp purchases and sales so that keeping the corp finances separate from individual's finances doesn't require a professional CPA and a ton of luck

  • Blueprint distribution and research so my fledging corporation has a chance of actually attaining something worthwhile through their efforts instead of sucking bottom barrel

  • Risk put back into trading so the fearful furbearers will layoff sucking dry whole regions and the people willing to take the risk can actually get at the rewards

  • A SIMPLE /assist macro or button so people ganged can coordinate they fire without having to **** up typing in the chat box or resort to using teamspeak as a workaround



And a ton more stuff that is infinately more important than playing around with this silly cargo subject further. There are secured containers. Use them. If you choose not to use them, learn to accept the fact that you will get ripped off with no recourse because YOU CHOSE TO BE LAZY AND GREEDY.

Scrapyard Jack
Caldari
Posted - 2003.07.26 22:51:00 - [33]
 

just because it is this way doesnt mean it was ment to be.


jet·ti·son

1. To cast overboard or off: a ship jettisoning wastes; a pilot jettisoning aircraft fuel.
2. To discard (something) as unwanted or burdensome

ehehehe! Scrapyard Jack begs to differ.

(source: www.dictionary.com)

nono
Posted - 2003.07.26 23:05:00 - [34]
 

Some seriously bad luck you've had there Jash. Eye opening stories for sure. I'm surprised nothing ever became of the three individuals that jumped you and resulted in one being shot (three head shots would have been my first thoughts in your shoes). None aprehended? No lineup at all? If not life must be a ***** lookin over your shoulder because you can be sure they will remember you.

I'm pretty sick of this topic as well but on the other side it seems, and won't bother to continue the debate. If anything I'm on the side that would allow shooting the theif.<nuff>

"Is it theft? Yes. Is the person wrong? Yes. !!!Does anyone give a damn so long as nobody got hurt?!!! No."

Except the one that was robbed.

You didn't get hurt but you lost your ring. I bet you give a damb.

Agent Shield
Caldari
Posted - 2003.07.26 23:15:00 - [35]
 

Thank you Jack for posting the definition for everyone.

You can either take the mine you ore back to a station, or jettison if you want to; it is purely the choice of the player. If they want safety, then take it back to the station, your cargo hold is only so big in space. If you want to risk it by jettisoning it out into open space, then take the consequences; it is a choice.

Jash Illian
Minmatar
Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.
Posted - 2003.07.26 23:21:00 - [36]
 

Quote:
"Is it theft? Yes. Is the person wrong? Yes. !!!Does anyone give a damn so long as nobody got hurt?!!! No."

Except the one that was robbed.

You didn't get hurt but you lost your ring. I bet you give a damb.



Yeah, I gave a damn. But that's it. And that was the point of the entire post. I gave a damn in each incident. Nobody else really did because that's Real Life. So this bullcrap about how the police will come swooping to their rescue in real life if they have their groceries stolen off a bench. Or how the police will chase down some criminal that committed a crime while they weren't present is total BS.

I don't know what fantasy world people live in, but the police do not operate like that. And continuing to whine about how Concord doesn't protect their assets and they can't protect their assets when they CHOOSE to use a method that isn't secure while an alternative exists is total horsecrap.

So rather than watch the developers continue to try and waste time trying to 'fix' something that is only broken by personal choice, I'll speak my mind:

The topic is dead. Use the secure containers or don't, your choice. Accept the responsibility if you choose not to use the secure containers.

Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2003.07.26 23:24:00 - [37]
 

Shocked

People are still complaining about ore thieves even after a perfect and timely fix was added to the game?

Intruders
Posted - 2003.07.26 23:38:00 - [38]
 

Sorry for double posting this from another thread. :)
I think the solutions are already in, they just need some treaming, here goes the double post:

"Instead of terming defence measures illegal like webify or cap drain, or even cap drain and adding it to your own ship, they should produce counter modules, which in this case some of them are already in game, from preventing someone to target you, as far as it concenrs me they just should add one more to prevent ore thefts, and even introduce a backup ship as the baclkbird only with 1 or 2 more slots to be an escort for miners, or just add a skill that can increase your ECM ECCM slots in any ship to 1 or 2 accordingly, and that would be it.

No punishemnt for ore thieves, and legal pirates, just countermeasures, i know that would suck for freelances since I am one, but at least with the money I make I can afford escorts everywhere."

Ezri
Viziam
Posted - 2003.07.26 23:45:00 - [39]
 

When someone tries to open or 'take' someones container, a request message shall be sent to the owner saying something like: 'Mr X had made a request to open/take your container, do you accept / reject .

If the owner has multiple containers then their should be an option for him/her to check the contained items inside it wherever they are, to avoid confusion.

If the request hasnt been aswered within 2 mins then the requestor may do as he wishes with the container.

Quite unrealistic but just an idea.


Drutort
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2003.07.27 03:51:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Drutort on 27/07/2003 04:06:08
do you people not get it!!

ALL WE ARE ASKING IS TO BE ABLE TO FIRE BACK! is that too much to ask for?

when something is in reach of you taking it is pretty much yours is it not?

if something came out of your damn ship is it not yours?


btw the hole idea of having ownership would also be able to LIMIT the amount of CARGO's that can be jettison.


Oh and the the word jettison they could have used anything else they wish, like unload cargo or who knows what.

You see the problem is that someone can take it and you cant fire back at them because of concord...

to fix that you need ownership to be given out, then one someone does take it you can fire at them and concord would not bother you.

That is ONLY FAIR, we dont give a **** about secure cargo's that is a diff story.

how many times do i have to repeat this, its not the same thread its a solution to balance the game.

You want to steal fine i want the right to SHOOT YOU!! its that simple.

Lexington Cabot
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2003.07.27 04:19:00 - [41]
 

If you left stuff in your front yard and people kept stealing it, why would you continue to leave it out?

And if you could then buy a shed that locked but you insisted on keeping your stuff on the lawn where it will be stolen, why would you do this?

Lord Panther
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Posted - 2003.07.27 05:52:00 - [42]
 

I agree. You should be able to shoot to stop the theif without having the cops come and shoot you.

The secure containers are a joke. They don't hold nearly enough.

Scrapyard Jack
Caldari
Posted - 2003.07.27 06:32:00 - [43]
 

ehehehe!

You exploit the game mechanics to receive unlimited cargo space.

And then what do you do?

Complain to CCP that your exploit isn't 100% secure. Shocked

You have the option to use a secure container; a method that CCP intended to be used for the safe storage of items in space. But, you don't.

Sheer, utter, contemptible laziness!

Well, Scrapyard Jack doesn't care for lazy people. The more AFK/macro mining expeditions that are disrupted, the better Scrapyard Jack will feel. Shocked

Drutort
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2003.07.27 10:06:00 - [44]
 

Scrapyard Jack

why do you even come here with your same stuff.

btw maybe this might help read the origional post, i tried to make it easier for you to get it.Laughing

Pystov
Posted - 2007.04.05 12:36:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: nono
Quote: "They won't."

What? You steal from my front yard Jash and I see you do it and call the cops. They WONT come and visit you? What part of the world do you live in?

Maybe they won't in this game, thats the whole point of this thread.




What it seems you guys are not understanding is that it would not be considered stealing... It's just like if I threw a newpaper in the trash and you walked up and took it out. I threw it out and there from gave up my right to it. Useing the secure cans would be like having our shopping bag next to you...

sableye
principle of motion
Posted - 2007.04.05 12:41:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Pystov
Originally by: nono
Quote: "They won't."

What? You steal from my front yard Jash and I see you do it and call the cops. They WONT come and visit you? What part of the world do you live in?

Maybe they won't in this game, thats the whole point of this thread.




What it seems you guys are not understanding is that it would not be considered stealing... It's just like if I threw a newpaper in the trash and you walked up and took it out. I threw it out and there from gave up my right to it. Useing the secure cans would be like having our shopping bag next to you...



you do relaise this thread is from 2003 right...

Wild Rho
Amarr
Silent Core
Posted - 2007.04.05 13:10:00 - [47]
 

Necro

Ieva Polkka
Posted - 2007.04.05 13:15:00 - [48]
 

Privateers

Wrecks

"Plus la change, plus la même chose"

Rolling EyesLaughingRolling Eyes

Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2007.04.05 13:38:00 - [49]
 

Holy Necro Batman!

Amphetaminer
Grumpy Old Men
Posted - 2007.04.05 13:46:00 - [50]
 

and its still a problem!

Willow Whisp
Sadist Faction
Posted - 2007.04.05 21:49:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Amphetaminer
and its still a problem!


It is not a problem. Trash is trash. Personally, i think they should remove all "ownership" from all wrecks, cans, jettison containers, except for anchorable or secure containers. There's a reason why it's called "Jettison", and not "Create temporary external secure storage".

Stakhanov
Metafarmers
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2007.04.05 22:20:00 - [52]
 

An interesting necro. It shows that jetcan miners will keep whining no matter what Razz

Cricketz
SMASH Alliance
Posted - 2007.04.06 01:03:00 - [53]
 

Just to chime in. I do not in anyway think that cargo stealing is "broken". No matter what side I find myself on (watching my can or sneakin on someones can) the current system only adds to the fun in my opinion.

Krulla
Minmatar
Miner Protection Guild
Posted - 2007.04.06 01:18:00 - [54]
 

I miss Scrapjard Jack. Sad

Spenz
Gallente
PCG Enterprises
Huzzah Federation
Posted - 2007.04.06 05:29:00 - [55]
 

Welcome to OLD TOWN. Population: The new posters of this thread.

Thea Arsoniztik
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2007.04.06 05:38:00 - [56]
 

word.

Fswd
Gallente
Psychotic Sea Monkeys
Posted - 2007.04.06 06:11:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Fswd on 06/04/2007 06:07:55
Originally by: Stakhanov
An interesting necro. It shows that jetcan miners will keep whining no matter what Razz


So do grief... erm pirates about wtz and even bigger grief... erm privateers about "their" wrecks

murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2007.04.06 06:34:00 - [58]
 

IBTL \o/

nj whoever necroed this thread rofl.

Ralagina
Caldari
ReviveX Fleet
White Noise.
Posted - 2007.04.06 08:41:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Drutort
Edited by: Drutort on 27/07/2003 10:12:30
Edited by: Drutort on 27/07/2003 04:04:44
Idea
Problem:Exclamation
People can steal any form of cargo that is within your reach and you cant do a damn thing about it.

Because if you fire up on them concord/local cops will kick your ass and your sec would go down.

Solution:Exclamation

Grant ownership to cargo’sIdea

1)Arrow your own jettison cargo gets instant ownership, only while you are present or a corp or gang member is.

2)Arrowyour ownership will be lost of cargo if you leave the area, it will be FFA.

3) Arrowownership can be obtained by staying by the cargo at the 1.5km range for X time.

4) Arrowanyone can open these cargo’s but the person who opens automatically becomes a threat to you and you can open fire up on them, only when they open the cargo, and you (gang, corp) can hunt them down for say 15min, just like the cops will track ppl etc.

5) Arrowbecause there would be ownership, CCP can limit the amount of cargo’s that are being jettisoned, this value can be done with a skill, and with the type of ship. Say each ship has X amount of cargo’s that can jettison and can create new one after X time.

6) Arrowa skill, and ship type should grant you X amount of ownership you can have over cargo’s, other cargo’s will just be FFA.



Secure cargo’s are not the subject here nor are they the solution to the normal cargo problem, they serve a different purpose which will not allow anyone to take out anything and have more strength.

It is about time that this game fixes some of the problems, and yes this cargo issue is a balancing issue because at the current time you can’t defend or retaliate against someone who has opened a cargo that you are near at.
IdeaIdea


you see mto be under the mistaken impression that jetting cargo is somehow "broken".

If you jettison cargo, you leave it in space for anyone to get.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jettison

1. to cast (goods) overboard in order to lighten a vessel or aircraft or to improve its stability in an emergency.
2. to throw off (something) as an obstacle or burden; discard.
3. Cards. to discard (an unwanted card or cards).
–noun
4. the act of casting goods from a vessel or aircraft to lighten or stabilize it.

Nero Scuro
Jejaikaro Corporation
Posted - 2007.04.06 10:55:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Nero Scuro on 06/04/2007 10:51:33
IATL?

EDIT - Goddamn slow mods... *mutter*


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