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Vee Bot
Posted - 2005.09.07 15:42:00 - [31]
 

so if CCP boost it so its not the worst anymore will you start a thread asking to boost the next worst gun?

Profess0r Mansechs0r
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.09.07 15:43:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Vee Bot
so if CCP boost it so its not the worst anymore will you start a thread asking to boost the next worst gun?


No he only whines about minmatar

Vee Bot
Posted - 2005.09.07 15:45:00 - [33]
 

the problem is that i agree with him, the 250mm IIs do sux serious a$$. But what do i care i have everything i want, I AM AMARR! (4tw)

j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2005.09.07 15:51:00 - [34]
 

"125 IIs (the railgun) do more dps on a wolf than 250 IIs(which gets a 25% damage bonus!!), for less fitting. 75mm gatling rails do about 3% less dps on a wolf than 250 IIs (which get a 25% damage bonus!!) for only 2 grid."

Yup; try to fire these hybrid guns with nos on you, though... and consider that on the mentioned Wolf the 250 II will have ~50% bigger optimal than the 125mm tech.2 rail, and double the optimal of 75mm tech.2 rail. If you swap the ammo in rails to match that better range, i believe you'll see damage numbers come far closer within one another.

(fitting are probably on the bit too high side for the damage these things do, though)

DrunkenOne
Unknown Soldiers
B O R G
Posted - 2005.09.07 15:55:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: DrunkenOne on 07/09/2005 15:55:27
Originally by: j0sephine
"125 IIs (the railgun) do more dps on a wolf than 250 IIs(which gets a 25% damage bonus!!), for less fitting. 75mm gatling rails do about 3% less dps on a wolf than 250 IIs (which get a 25% damage bonus!!) for only 2 grid."

Yup; try to fire these hybrid guns with nos on you, though... and consider that on the mentioned Wolf the 250 II will have ~50% bigger optimal than the 125mm tech.2 rail, and double the optimal of 75mm tech.2 rail. If you swap the ammo in rails to match that better range, i believe you'll see damage numbers come far closer within one another.

(fitting are probably on the bit too high side for the damage these things do, though)

jo i was simply making a point, I wasn't actually suggesting fitting rails over 250s on a wolf, just that the rails would actually do more damage, which is ridiculous, considering that the wolf gets a damage bonus for 250s, and they use similar (same? too lazy) grid.

Fredbob
0utbreak
Posted - 2005.09.07 16:12:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: DrunkenOne
Yes, 250s do have their place. That place is the worst gun in the game.


Mmmm good quote, yet it has a tang of truth hidden within it Confused

j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2005.09.07 16:17:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: j0sephine on 07/09/2005 16:18:47

"jo i was simply making a point, I wasn't actually suggesting fitting rails over 250s on a wolf, just that the rails would actually do more damage, which is ridiculous, considering that the wolf gets a damage bonus for 250s, and they use similar (same? too lazy) grid."

Well the 250's suck bad damage-wise, i'll give you that ^^ with the other (small) turrets the damage difference between 'best' and 'second best' is very small, and the penalty is reduced range... but the 250mm artillery guns have something like 10% less dps than 280's, on top of the shorter range. It doesn't really make much sense like that :/

DrunkenOne
Unknown Soldiers
B O R G
Posted - 2005.09.07 16:22:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: j0sephine
Edited by: j0sephine on 07/09/2005 16:18:47

"jo i was simply making a point, I wasn't actually suggesting fitting rails over 250s on a wolf, just that the rails would actually do more damage, which is ridiculous, considering that the wolf gets a damage bonus for 250s, and they use similar (same? too lazy) grid."

Well the 250's suck bad damage-wise, i'll give you that ^^ with the other (small) turrets the damage difference between 'best' and 'second best' is very small, and the penalty is reduced range... but the 250mm artillery guns have something like 10% less dps than 280's, on top of the shorter range. It doesn't really make much sense like that :/

Yeah, and almost as bad tracking too... Confused

Aelfred
Caldari
Posted - 2005.09.07 18:18:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Bracius
The XXXXX has established itself as one
of the most feared and respected
battleships around. Since its first
appearance almost two decades ago it has
seen considerable service in the
troublesome regions on the outskirts of the
Federation, helping to expand and defend
Gallentean influence there.

Too bad that none of this is true.


Or maybe:
HEAVY NEUTRON BLASTER:
Particle blasters operate on a similar principle
as the railgun except they fire a magnetically
contained ball of subatomic particles. No other
turret class can match the sheer destructive
power of particle blasters, but due to the
rapid dispersion of the containment field, it
also has the worst range of all turrets.

Should add:
Too bad it doesn't fit on any gallente cruiser.




The Arbitrator is unusual for Amarr ships in that it's primarily a drone carrier. While it is not the best carrier around, it has superior armor that gives it greater durability than most ships in its class.

should read:

If drones are your thing, train Gallente and fly a Vexor instead. The Arbitrator is a pale imitation and is inferior in every way. It doesn't even do the Amarrian stuff well - it has less grid, less cap and fewer turrets. And less armour, CCP.


(alt hijacking ftw)

Natasha Kerensky
The Company
The Dominion Empire
Posted - 2005.09.07 18:18:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Natasha Kerensky on 07/09/2005 18:19:51
Edited by: Natasha Kerensky on 07/09/2005 18:19:06
Originally by: HippoKing
and the description on the cerbereus to:

"This missile-spitting abomination is a very expensive way to commit sucide"

Yes, and please change the description of the skill Genetic Engineering from "The science of interfacing biological and machine components. Allows the use of DNA mutators."
to
"HA!! Bet you're ****ed that you wasted a month training this one to 5 arent ya?"

Natasha Kerensky
The Company
The Dominion Empire
Posted - 2005.09.08 20:12:00 - [41]
 

oh for frak sake, c'mon!! my last post was funneh!!Laughing

Aldelphius
Carbide Industries
Posted - 2005.09.08 22:09:00 - [42]
 

i will have to agree with the Drunk one here. with other weapons there is a reason to use one over the other, such as in the 125mm rail vs the 150mm rail, rockets vs light missles, and either can be effective. the 250's flat out stink. no real tracking advantage, shorter range, and pitiful rof decrease for the damage modifier from the 280's.

It took me some time when i first started flying arty AF's and intys to figure out why i was sucking so bad with them compared to any other ship. Unlike the Amarr theres a big diffrence in the shortest long and longest short range guns (base stats), and we dont have a 3rd long rangs gun like caldari/gallente.

Frezik
Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment
Posted - 2005.09.08 22:13:00 - [43]
 

There's one place where 250 II's work: when you don't have enough cpu on your claw to fit 3x280 II's. If your choice is between 3x250s and 2x280s, then the 250 fitting will give you better DOT (though not as good range, IIRC).

But this can be fixed with only a few weeks of skill training, and it's 280s from then on.

Nafri
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.09.08 22:42:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Frezik
There's one place where 250 II's work: when you don't have enough cpu on your claw to fit 3x280 II's. If your choice is between 3x250s and 2x280s, then the 250 fitting will give you better DOT (though not as good range, IIRC).

But this can be fixed with only a few weeks of skill training, and it's 280s from then on.



then better fir 200mm autocannons Confused

Agnar Koladrov
Gallente
Posted - 2005.09.08 22:54:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Frezik
There's one place where 250 II's work: when you don't have enough cpu on your claw to fit 3x280 II's. If your choice is between 3x250s and 2x280s, then the 250 fitting will give you better DOT (though not as good range, IIRC).

But this can be fixed with only a few weeks of skill training, and it's 280s from then on.



then better fir 200mm autocannons Confused


Not everyone likes autocannons Wink

Locke Ateid
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
Posted - 2005.09.08 23:47:00 - [46]
 

/sign

Fix 250mm.

Leshrac Shepherd
Amarr
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
Posted - 2005.09.09 00:01:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Agnar Koladrov
Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Frezik
There's one place where 250 II's work: when you don't have enough cpu on your claw to fit 3x280 II's. If your choice is between 3x250s and 2x280s, then the 250 fitting will give you better DOT (though not as good range, IIRC).

But this can be fixed with only a few weeks of skill training, and it's 280s from then on.



then better fir 200mm autocannons Confused


Not everyone likes autocannons Wink
If you don't like autocannons I wonder how can you like 250mm...

Nafri
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.09.09 00:15:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Agnar Koladrov
Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Frezik
There's one place where 250 II's work: when you don't have enough cpu on your claw to fit 3x280 II's. If your choice is between 3x250s and 2x280s, then the 250 fitting will give you better DOT (though not as good range, IIRC).

But this can be fixed with only a few weeks of skill training, and it's 280s from then on.



then better fir 200mm autocannons Confused



stay at 8km and use your falloff, should give you better damage
Not everyone likes autocannons Wink

Hanns
The Second Sons
Posted - 2005.09.09 00:26:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: DrunkenOne
Originally by: Agil Scout
250's are great in a gang and thats it, wreking for 280+ againts most ships upto 25k great for the killmail ***** who dont like to move far from the gate.

AC is where it's at.

No, they arent. 250s are the worst gun in the game, please stop spreading lies that they dont suck. 125 IIs (the railgun) do more dps on a wolf than 250 IIs(which gets a 25% damage bonus!!), for less fitting. 75mm gatling rails do about 3% less dps on a wolf than 250 IIs (which get a 25% damage bonus!!) for only 2 grid.


Yeah but Artys always have sucky DPS, its instant damage u get, as far as i know i think my Zealot has More DPS than any Arty ship?


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