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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Minmatar
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
Posted - 2005.09.03 10:33:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Emno
pink domi Surprised


One guess who's responsible for that... Rolling Eyes

Santiac
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.09.03 13:11:00 - [92]
 

The explosive damage on an energy weapon can be explained if you give your imagination a whirl ;P

One explination could be, that they've used existing technology (i.e. the quantum leap or symmetric quark technology used in jumpdrive and communication), to create beam of energy, where the particles leap forward onto the particle infront of it, creating a point of intensely focused energy, forming on the fired beam of energy up untill the point of impact, using the same symmetric technology to keep the focused energy from forming plasma. Then on impact with an object, this "ball" of focused energy provided by the beam, with the attributes of the crystal (symmetric quarks stored in the crystal keeping the ball from becoming plasma), has more energy then it can release over time on impact, and instead of dissipating thermal energy onto the object, it explodes and the small amount of energy that manages to "stick" to the object releases a minute amount of thermal and electro magnetic energy.

James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2005.09.03 17:02:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: James Hawkings
Those stats better be wrong for the t2 barge cause it still only has 3 high slots. Unless it has some uber mining bonus for just having the ship its worthless.


No, it's not. Consider elite industrials. Marginal difference in cargo (or if anything, a little less) but a lot more hits.

If you've ever tried to use a barge in low sec or 0.0 you'll know what a big deal that is ... standard barges are just tinfoil.

GlimmerMan
Amarr
Posted - 2005.09.03 19:46:00 - [94]
 

The T2 Apoc looks great, however it's a pity it can still only field 6 Heavy Drones, I was really hoping for a 250m bay.

KilROCK
Minmatar
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
Deus Ex.
Posted - 2005.09.03 19:52:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Santiac
The explosive damage on an energy weapon can be explained if you give your imagination a whirl ;P

One explination could be, that they've used existing technology (i.e. the quantum leap or symmetric quark technology used in jumpdrive and communication), to create beam of energy, where the particles leap forward onto the particle infront of it, creating a point of intensely focused energy, forming on the fired beam of energy up untill the point of impact, using the same symmetric technology to keep the focused energy from forming plasma. Then on impact with an object, this "ball" of focused energy provided by the beam, with the attributes of the crystal (symmetric quarks stored in the crystal keeping the ball from becoming plasma), has more energy then it can release over time on impact, and instead of dissipating thermal energy onto the object, it explodes and the small amount of energy that manages to "stick" to the object releases a minute amount of thermal and electro magnetic energy.



I seriously have NO idea what you just said..

Joerd Toastius
Octavian Vanguard
Posted - 2005.09.03 20:25:00 - [96]
 

It boils down to "any balance change can be explained in RP terms" :)

Noriath
Posted - 2005.09.03 21:03:00 - [97]
 

In pure roleplaying nothing is fair. Just makes for a crummy game with all these people who think being the strongest means that you win the game Very Happy

BlackHawk177
West Point Military Acadamy
Posted - 2005.09.04 04:41:00 - [98]
 

Edited by: BlackHawk177 on 04/09/2005 04:41:09
I want a Blade from the Sisi DB. It's under Elite Frigates. Can you say Wolf on uber steriods?

Karek Mar
Posted - 2005.09.04 11:34:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: KilROCK
Originally by: Santiac
The explosive damage on an energy weapon can be explained if you give your imagination a whirl ;P

One explination could be, that they've used existing technology (i.e. the quantum leap or symmetric quark technology used in jumpdrive and communication), to create beam of energy, where the particles leap forward onto the particle infront of it, creating a point of intensely focused energy, forming on the fired beam of energy up untill the point of impact, using the same symmetric technology to keep the focused energy from forming plasma. Then on impact with an object, this "ball" of focused energy provided by the beam, with the attributes of the crystal (symmetric quarks stored in the crystal keeping the ball from becoming plasma), has more energy then it can release over time on impact, and instead of dissipating thermal energy onto the object, it explodes and the small amount of energy that manages to "stick" to the object releases a minute amount of thermal and electro magnetic energy.



I seriously have NO idea what you just said..


Originally by: KilROCK
And oh, crystal that does explosion damage, now that's just plain impossible.


Thought you meant CCP had no justification in terms of plausibility of a crystal giving an energy beam explosive attributes :)
Merely an attempt to try and spin out some imaginative explination for it.

As for balancing, the other T2 ammo has the same, i.e. charges doing EM/Therm damage. (Void charges)

Orius Nix
Posted - 2005.09.04 12:01:00 - [100]
 

I agree t2 bs's are going to be the end of balance. The way the pricing goes on t2's also only tge richest of players will be able to buy them. Why cant ccp just add a non t2 thats not uber that just requires bs 4. Looks like this game favors the pirates and gankers more and more every patch.

Kaalise
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2005.09.04 13:56:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Orius Nix
I agree t2 bs's are going to be the end of balance. The way the pricing goes on t2's also only tge richest of players will be able to buy them. Why cant ccp just add a non t2 thats not uber that just requires bs 4. Looks like this game favors the pirates and gankers more and more every patch.


Eh? A good deal of Pirates won't be able to afford TII BSs.

Rafein
Posted - 2005.09.04 14:16:00 - [102]
 

of course tech 2 BS's won;t be balanced. ALL of the tech 2 mods, ships, ect ruined the balance.

But releasing all tech 2 ships/mods would bring us full circle, back to original balance. Which was pretty well balanced.

KilROCK
Minmatar
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
Deus Ex.
Posted - 2005.09.04 14:22:00 - [103]
 

Edited by: KilROCK on 04/09/2005 14:23:46
Edited by: KilROCK on 04/09/2005 14:22:37
Originally by: BlackHawk177
Edited by: BlackHawk177 on 04/09/2005 04:41:09
I want a Blade from the Sisi DB. It's under Elite Frigates. Can you say Wolf on uber steriods?


Abnormal Resistance to EM, when you look at the thermal resistance, it's not even changed.... I think that's full of ****. Hell that thing says 30% to small projectile damage.

I see black ops type frigates in there..

Along with frigates with -90% cpu usage for deep core mining modules..... Odd..

Steppa
Gallente
Posted - 2005.09.04 16:09:00 - [104]
 

Passengers?

Joerd Toastius
Octavian Vanguard
Posted - 2005.09.04 18:22:00 - [105]
 

There's T2 newbie ships that require a DCM skill IIRC :P

Shiner BockBeer
Go Go Gadget ForumPostingAlt
Posted - 2005.09.04 22:00:00 - [106]
 

Dude, there is a T2 Newbie ship in there..

The Amarr Gatherer..

But why the hell is the minmatar equivalent (HYena) based on the Probe hull instead or the reaper?

KilROCK
Minmatar
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
Deus Ex.
Posted - 2005.09.04 22:50:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Shiner BockBeer
Dude, there is a T2 Newbie ship in there..

The Amarr Gatherer..

But why the hell is the minmatar equivalent (HYena) based on the Probe hull instead or the reaper?


It's the same for the Gallente, caldari versions. They are not newbie ship. Don't know why the amarr one is a little crap ship, must be an amarr thing ;)

Sobeseki Pawi
Minmatar
Insurance Claim Services
Posted - 2005.09.04 23:01:00 - [108]
 

More ships are never a bad thing Very Happy

Drakos
Amarr
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
Posted - 2005.09.05 02:48:00 - [109]
 

lol the tempest has 60% resist on EM on shields, that cant be right? lol

j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2005.09.05 03:00:00 - [110]
 

"lol the tempest has 60% resist on EM on shields, that cant be right? lol"

75% from what i can see, actually. and 60% thermal. And 70/67.5 to em/thermal on armour...

the sound you hear in the background is all amarr crying ;s

(elite Raven looks sweet btw, nicely buffed all-around. although the elite Gallente ships look equally well, and with boost to both cpu and grid they might be able to finally mount some heavy guns... scary >>;;

Justin Cody
Caldari
T.A.L.O.N. Company
B4D W01F
Posted - 2005.09.05 05:36:00 - [111]
 

hmmm 3 flavors of tier 2 prophecy? COLLECT EM ALL!!! (especially the Khanid one)


BlueOrca
Gallente
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2005.09.05 10:51:00 - [112]
 

What about ErinyeQuestion It is a gallente ship with caldari stats and 100% resistance to kinetic.

Discorporation
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2005.09.05 11:00:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: BlueOrca
What about ErinyeQuestion It is a gallente ship with caldari stats and 100% resistance to kinetic.


Old assault ship stats, 100% resistances were deemed a tad too strong.

Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2005.09.05 11:07:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: KilROCK
And oh, crystal that does explosion damage, now that's just plain impossible.

1. Tritanium turns volatile and prone to explode at high temperatures, I believe.
2. High energy lasers actually do cause explosive effects when fired upon a target

But then again, giving lasers explosive damage is actually not a good move. And the stats are so old it's tragic people still drag them up.

KilROCK
Minmatar
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
Deus Ex.
Posted - 2005.09.05 21:25:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: j0sephine
"lol the tempest has 60% resist on EM on shields, that cant be right? lol"

75% from what i can see, actually. and 60% thermal. And 70/67.5 to em/thermal on armour...

the sound you hear in the background is all amarr crying ;s

(elite Raven looks sweet btw, nicely buffed all-around. although the elite Gallente ships look equally well, and with boost to both cpu and grid they might be able to finally mount some heavy guns... scary >>;;


The tempest is supposed to have 92.5% em resistance on armor.

fairimear
Gallente
The Sp00Ks
Posted - 2005.09.05 21:54:00 - [116]
 

balance is over rated.
i could't give a flying chuwawa if a veteran with tons of sp and cash can get the i win button of ships.
big wow as long as they are THAT rare they are balanced on a pure chance of encounter scale.


Maya Rkell
Third Grade Ergonomics
Posted - 2005.09.05 22:35:00 - [117]
 

T2 BS should be good. They should also have a production time of 4 days.

Gronsak
Amarr
Posted - 2005.09.06 02:21:00 - [118]
 

think about it carefully

if t2 BS dont have HAC resistances or any tanking bonouses, then they will be as easy to kill as a tier 2 BS.
there is no chance that the t2 BS will sell for anything under 500mil: would you pay that much for a BS taht can be destroyed 1vs1 to a tier 1 bs

that makes me think that they will have hac resistances,
the devs could have a trit up their sleves, they might get a siege mode like the dreds, where they do more damage, and get a tanking bonous



Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2005.09.06 17:57:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Gronsak
think about it carefully

if t2 BS dont have HAC resistances or any tanking bonouses, then they will be as easy to kill as a tier 2 BS.
there is no chance that the t2 BS will sell for anything under 500mil: would you pay that much for a BS taht can be destroyed 1vs1 to a tier 1 bs

that makes me think that they will have hac resistances,
the devs could have a trit up their sleves, they might get a siege mode like the dreds, where they do more damage, and get a tanking bonous

Yeah. Or... Listen to this... they perform as well as their Tier 2 counterpart, but they've got two extra bonuses (run on the T2 skill) that makes the gang they are in better. Considering that you currently buy an extra low slot for 700 million +, then why would you not buy two really good bonuses for the gang (instead of your egoistic self Wink) for 500 million?

There's so much that can be done outside simple more-damage-more-tanking. And people ARE going to buy them at seriously inflated prices. Cause they all want a blood-red Megathron or a slightly-browner Raven. You just don't need ships that are going to need a Sieged dread (who by the way cannot hit the T2 BShips) or a yet-to-come mid BShip-Capital ship in order to take down. And we certainly don't need more damage! We need less damage and longer fights! (just a quick reminder: we don't want more tanking either - we want fights to last longer, not forever.)

vipeer
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2005.09.06 18:47:00 - [120]
 

finally a bat to wield over those dratted Angel 3* BS, 10* cruisier, 15 ceptor spawns. And those nasty lvl 4 missions will finally be doable with close range weaponry. Probably. Must be limited to people with +3 and higher security standing. So sod of griefers


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