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Monkeyshead
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2005.08.01 20:06:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Monkeyshead on 01/08/2005 20:12:50
Hi all
As a noob, I was wondering if the Tempest is any good for PVP?
Could anyone advise me on how to set one up I only have 3 mil SP which I have 1 mil in gunnery any advise would be greatful
Thanks in advance
Monk...

JoeSomebody
No Trademark
Notoriety Alliance
Posted - 2005.08.01 20:07:00 - [2]
 

you jokin, right? Shocked

Alowishus
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2005.08.01 20:11:00 - [3]
 

Go back in time about a year and ask that. A lot of people, who are now curiously silent, would say no and then wallow in their own self pitty.

Vathar
The Wings of Maak
Posted - 2005.08.01 20:14:00 - [4]
 

Don't fly a Tempest with so few skill points, especially in pvp,

Tempest is probably the most skill intensive BS, but properly flown, it ROCKS !!

LUKEC
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2005.08.01 20:19:00 - [5]
 

3 mil sp = no no for BS in pvp, because if you care about your char, there is ~2 mil in learning.

For low sp, i'd go for scorp or intys. Good tacklers are worth far more than idiots with guns.

Frost Killer
Posted - 2005.08.01 20:24:00 - [6]
 

Totally correct....

3mil SP is a big no no for a BS, expecially a tempest. Tempest is definatly skill intensive due to the shield/armor tanking abilities that it does have. But also to get the maximum out of this ship you want good gunnery, let alone nav, engineering, electronics, mechanical for certain pieces of equipment and getting the most power out of the ship.

I use to fly the tempest a while back (not this character obviously) but even back then it was rated a weak ship yet I still flew it and stuck out by it. Its a deadly piece of machinery if flowen properly.

Sobeseki Pawi
Minmatar
Insurance Claim Services
Posted - 2005.08.01 20:24:00 - [7]
 

PvP in a Stabber for awhile, great fun and not so expensive to lose. Smile

Alowishus
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2005.08.01 20:24:00 - [8]
 

True. And there is something to be said for folks who can hop in a Ceptor or AF and kill every frig and cruiser they run across.

Liu Kaskakka
PAK
Posted - 2005.08.01 20:24:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: LUKEC
idiots with guns.


Idiots with big guns ftw.

GoGo Yubari
Veto.
Posted - 2005.08.01 20:40:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Originally by: LUKEC
idiots with guns.


Idiots with big guns ftw.


Sign me up for that idiocy.

Grayson Burrows
Posted - 2005.08.01 20:41:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Alowishus
Go back in time about a year and ask that. A lot of people, who are now curiously silent, would say no and then wallow in their own self pitty.


I noticed that too. I think it's because people figured out that it's a gimped ship compared to others with low skills, and only a real shiner after the SP investment. Because of that, people would use it with L2-L3ish skills and whine to town about how much their baby suuuuucks. Sad Sad Sad Why train something higher when it obviously (Rolling Eyes) sucks so badly?

I started training towards it in the midst of all the whining. Anyone in my corp can tell you that I'm a numbers guy, and it's not hard to figure out that you get alot of mileage out of RoF and damage bonuses with a gun that has base stats of 23.625 seconds and 5.75x damage. I cooked up a little theory that it'd turn into a monster with L4-L5 skills, and hey, guess what, it became a monster. Razz

Now it's pretty much common knowledge that the Tempest is crazy once you put the skills in. ...Mostly because people have heard what T2 1400s can do, I suspect.

0verkill
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2005.08.01 20:54:00 - [12]
 

Actually about a year and a half ago tempests were the flavor of the month. I was in m0o at the time and our fleets were 70% tempests, 30% scorp. Then came the tracking changes and the cap relay nerf and tempests were again at the bottom of the barrel. It is only recently since the insti damage melt them in one volly fleets have become populaar that tempests have again come to the top.

Dragon Slave
Gallente
Tranquil Transactions
Posted - 2005.08.01 21:31:00 - [13]
 

My theory is that the tempest became good again when the T2 stuff came, though it took a while before people actually started to like them because of heavy skills needed for T2 large guns (especially). Though I can safely say that with something like 5m SP in gunnery, lvl 4 BS and lots of other skills at lvl 5 for optimal fittings, the tempest begin to reveal it's true self. 2000+ damage wreckers (even over 3000 for people with mad skills), the flaws in the tracking is starting to disappear as well as the "all damage types" ammo is really becoming a really useful tool. Though remember that the skills I mention is where the tempest is starting to become *decent*, it's when you reach stuff like BS lvl 5, large weapon spec 4 or 5, other gun skills at 5 (inclusive adv. weapon upgrades which will make you able to fit a full rack of 1400mm II's and Gyro II's) you'll become unbeatable :D

Ice Foxy
Posted - 2005.08.01 21:56:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Monkeyshead
I have 1 mil in gunnery any advise would be greatful
id advise training all your gunnary skills up for 2months then fitting skills.

The Tempest is awesome for PvP however, with 3mil skils you arnt going to win any PvP fights. Better get a BC or something cheeper to loose.

Evod
Shinra
Posted - 2005.08.02 03:35:00 - [15]
 

So, I'm a Minmitar pilot working my way (slowly) toward BS. I can fly an AF, use t2 small projctiles. About a week out from my inty. Decent Cruiser skills decent fitting skills (lots were prereqs for stuff I wanted). At what point am I "capable" of using the Minnie BS in PvP.

Please note, I'm not being sarcastic I would like to know if I am better just specializing in frigs then maybe cruisers. To be honest Battleships never really interested me too much but I feel I should be able to provide my corp with the firepower that a BS can provide.

Shin Ra
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2005.08.02 04:57:00 - [16]
 

Fo a low skillpoint char such as yourself, try learning frig/ceptor pvp. Its require far less skillpoints, costs less and is more fun.

Bobby Wilson
Gallente
Posted - 2005.08.02 06:04:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Shin Ra
Fo a low skillpoint char such as yourself, try learning frig/ceptor pvp. Its require far less skillpoints, costs less and is more fun.


Ditto. Tempest for PvP, I'm not kidding here, at LEAST 5 mil skillpoints.

BW

Felsin
Posted - 2005.08.02 06:08:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Felsin on 02/08/2005 06:08:54
Tempests are best left alone. They take atleast 15mill sp to fly well and even then a tech1 frigate can kill it. Not to mention they are slow as hell and horrible agility. Their guns have crappy range too. And who wants to use ammo? Yuck
If I were you I would fly a typhoon as its much better in pvp and pve.

Sobeseki Pawi
Minmatar
Insurance Claim Services
Posted - 2005.08.02 06:18:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Felsin
Edited by: Felsin on 02/08/2005 06:08:54
Tempests are best left alone. They take atleast 15mill sp to fly well and even then a tech1 frigate can kill it. Not to mention they are slow as hell and horrible agility. Their guns have crappy range too. And who wants to use ammo? Yuck
If I were you I would fly a typhoon as its much better in pvp and pve.


Laughing

Hound Archon
Posted - 2005.08.02 08:36:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Hound Archon on 02/08/2005 08:37:48
I have just recently came back to the game (left last November) I have about 3.8mil skill points I can fly the tempest and the mega but most my points are in the tempest.
I didnít do a lot of pvp and always flew with a friend who had about the same number of skill points but I never really had a problem when it came to fighting.

I canít really say exactly what my ship had as it was a while ago now and am at work.
Anyway my build had things like

Two torp launchers
two autocannons (I forget if they were 800's or slightly less).
4 large nos.
MWD
Webber
Large armour repairer (might have had two of these or/and a hardener)
Med armour repairer t2

Maybe things have changed a lot since November but surely you donít need 15mil points to be able to fly a tempest.

Superior numbers are just as effective as superior fire power

Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
Coreli Corporation
Naraka.
Posted - 2005.08.02 09:52:00 - [21]
 

3mil SP you should be in a cyclone w. 720MM OR 425mm learning how to use transversal to your advantage. No reason you should be in a BS at this point. I love tempets and I have flown them with low SP back in the day and now when I am finding it hard to find skills to further maximize its performance. Back in the old days it was pretty easy decision to go from a rupture to a phoon or pest but now there are better options : Wolf, Claw, Cyclone, Vagabond, Munnin. Fly one of those ships while your skills train. Don't bother with a Phoon because it takes atleast 12mil SP to fly well and the skills will be more spread out into other forms of drones, missiles, armor tanking, Energy Emmission, etc.

Hope that helps.

GoGo Yubari
Veto.
Posted - 2005.08.02 10:28:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Hound Archon
Edited by: Hound Archon on 02/08/2005 08:37:48
I have just recently came back to the game (left last November) I have about 3.8mil skill points I can fly the tempest and the mega but most my points are in the tempest.
I didnít do a lot of pvp and always flew with a friend who had about the same number of skill points but I never really had a problem when it came to fighting.

I canít really say exactly what my ship had as it was a while ago now and am at work.
Anyway my build had things like

Two torp launchers
two autocannons (I forget if they were 800's or slightly less).
4 large nos.
MWD
Webber
Large armour repairer (might have had two of these or/and a hardener)
Med armour repairer t2

Maybe things have changed a lot since November but surely you donít need 15mil points to be able to fly a tempest.

Superior numbers are just as effective as superior fire power



That's not a bad setup per se, but not really playing to the Tempest's particular strengths, either. The Typhoon ("the lollerphoon") could do pretty much the same thing. But sure, it's a way to fly the Tempest with lower skill points.

Hound Archon
Posted - 2005.08.02 10:56:00 - [23]
 

Thanks am glad you didnt hate it :)

I thought about doing the same thing for the mega thats why I got enough skills to fly it but quickly decided the mega wasnt for me.

mimik
Posted - 2005.08.02 11:16:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Felsin
Edited by: Felsin on 02/08/2005 06:08:54
Tempests are best left alone. They take atleast 15mill sp to fly well and even then a tech1 frigate can kill it. Not to mention they are slow as hell and horrible agility. Their guns have crappy range too. And who wants to use ammo? Yuck
If I were you I would fly a typhoon as its much better in pvp and pve.


a tech1 frig can kill a tempest if the pilot has 15mill sps - i'd like to see that. i suppose if the 15mill sps were in science, industry and learning then possibly and the pilot was afk at the time.

where do u get the idea that a tempest is slow? minmatar BS have the highest base speed of any BS, machariel excepted. so in relation to all other BS it is actually quite speedy.

Vathar
The Wings of Maak
Posted - 2005.08.02 11:25:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: mimik
Originally by: Felsin
Edited by: Felsin on 02/08/2005 06:08:54
Tempests are best left alone. They take atleast 15mill sp to fly well and even then a tech1 frigate can kill it. Not to mention they are slow as hell and horrible agility. Their guns have crappy range too. And who wants to use ammo? Yuck
If I were you I would fly a typhoon as its much better in pvp and pve.


a tech1 frig can kill a tempest if the pilot has 15mill sps - i'd like to see that. i suppose if the 15mill sps were in science, industry and learning then possibly and the pilot was afk at the time.

where do u get the idea that a tempest is slow? minmatar BS have the highest base speed of any BS, machariel excepted. so in relation to all other BS it is actually quite speedy.


Do you know what "sarcasm" means?

perfection
Posted - 2005.08.02 11:51:00 - [26]
 

As a Tempest driver I have found yes it is skill intensive .. but be patient and train the results are well worth it you can either tank or damage not both. I took out another tempest in 3 volleys. And using defenders in rocket launchers to take away the teeth of the raven they become easy meat too. When you get an average shot of 600 to 900 from each of the 6 1400II's it becomes worth it. Train for it but be patient.Smile

darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse
Posted - 2005.08.02 11:55:00 - [27]
 

Tempest takes many skills to be good.... BUT its a game, fly what u want and dont be put off with ppl saying "omg, NEVER fly a ship unless u have X skillpoints".

d solo.

mimik
Posted - 2005.08.02 12:03:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Vathar
Originally by: mimik
Originally by: Felsin
Edited by: Felsin on 02/08/2005 06:08:54
Tempests are best left alone. They take atleast 15mill sp to fly well and even then a tech1 frigate can kill it. Not to mention they are slow as hell and horrible agility. Their guns have crappy range too. And who wants to use ammo? Yuck
If I were you I would fly a typhoon as its much better in pvp and pve.


a tech1 frig can kill a tempest if the pilot has 15mill sps - i'd like to see that. i suppose if the 15mill sps were in science, industry and learning then possibly and the pilot was afk at the time.

where do u get the idea that a tempest is slow? minmatar BS have the highest base speed of any BS, machariel excepted. so in relation to all other BS it is actually quite speedy.


Do you know what "sarcasm" means?


oh sorry i must have misunderstood the factual inaccuraccies of his comments because i missed his avatar winking at me under the hood.

Sun Ra
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2005.08.02 12:15:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: 0verkill
Actually about a year and a half ago tempests were the flavor of the month. I was in m0o at the time and our fleets were 70% tempests, 30% scorp. Then came the tracking changes and the cap relay nerf and tempests were again at the bottom of the barrel. It is only recently since the insti damage melt them in one volly fleets have become populaar that tempests have again come to the top.


Yup tempests were even better than then they are now ;D, granted there were no t2 1400s

Also AC were much nicer too, i remember getting decent hits up to 30km with 800s and phased plasma

Nafri
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.08.02 12:42:00 - [30]
 

I have fond memories of tempests killing my frigs from 4km instantly ^^


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