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Jubeli
Caldari
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
Posted - 2005.07.28 14:04:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Jubeli on 02/08/2005 11:18:20
We, the ICSC, now offer the Moros Dreadnought in our production line, and you have the chance to be the first one to receive it.

The price is 5 bil isk (5,000,000,000 isk), where you as customer make an advance downpayment of 1 bil (1,000,000,000 isk) before production will start as to confirm your commitment.

If you are interested in procuring one of the first produced dreadnoughts then don't hesitate to contact me via EVE-mail. If there are several interested then we will sell to the one that send in the down payment first.

Delivery time - roughly 3 weeks.

If you are seller of components then you should also look at this thread: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=206818&page=1

Edit: Whops, Moros isn't Obelisk, link sorted
Edit: Price down to 5 bil isk
Edit: Downpayment down to 1 bil isk due to sponsoring

Gnisis
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
Posted - 2005.07.28 14:13:00 - [2]
 

proper link to the Moros Wink

zincol
S.A.S
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.07.28 14:34:00 - [3]
 

You building this on-site or in a random 0.4?

Jubeli
Caldari
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
Posted - 2005.07.28 14:57:00 - [4]
 

We will be building in any high sec system of your choice. At the moment we are setup in Nausschie, which is only one jump from low sec space so to jump there with the Dreadnought won't be a problem. We can also discuss production in a low sec system only 1 jump from Nausschie (if you should have a problem with pick-up in 0.5+ system for various reasons that are not of our concern). Twisted Evil

Also, if someone is interested in several Moros then we are open for negotiations regarding down payments, delivery times and total price.

Note; if you are interested in a larger supply of any other type of Dreadnought we could be willing to invest in further Dreadnought BPOs depending on the commited quantity.

zincol
S.A.S
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.07.28 15:01:00 - [5]
 

hmmz how about a deal for a moro and the amarr 1,with a bpo trade or summit? i know with market cost atm a dread is about 2.5b build cost without bpo

Tarnar Vect
Posted - 2005.07.28 15:06:00 - [6]
 

I assume you have a freighter built so you can get the Dread out of high sec space?

Tehel Necrona
Minmatar
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.07.28 15:09:00 - [7]
 

grumpy old farts corp are offering any dread for 3.5 Bil, and that's with a 75% markup ! so 6 bil seems a lot my friend, if ur gonna be competetive, try being less greedy

Shadowsword
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
Posted - 2005.07.28 15:23:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Tarnar Vect
I assume you have a freighter built so you can get the Dread out of high sec space?


Freighters can't carry capital ships anymore.

The Devs said that Dreads can't jump in a high sec system, but they haven't said anything about dreads jumping FROM a high sec sytem, so AFAIK you can build them there, so long that there's a 0.4 or less in relative proximity...


Now, about hte price, I know that you must make a profit, and skills cost a pretty penny, and all that, but 6 billions? You'd better reduce that price by at least a third if you want to sell even one of them.

Araviel
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2005.07.28 15:35:00 - [9]
 

in the last dev blog i think oveour stated that you cant build them in high sec space, if you do they will become trapped in the system

Amthrianius
Keiretsu
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2005.07.28 15:48:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Araviel
in the last dev blog i think oveour stated that you cant build them in high sec space, if you do they will become trapped in the system


Wrong, you can build them and jump them out as long as there is a low sec system within jump range for you to jump to. You cannot however REJUMP back into 0.5+

Robotek Hybrid
Posted - 2005.07.28 15:51:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Araviel
in the last dev blog i think oveour stated that you cant build them in high sec space, if you do they will become trapped in the system


yea what am said. He gave the example of building them in yulai and getting stuck because of the jumping range and not close enough to low sec space.

Deathsoul
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.07.28 15:52:00 - [12]
 

Yes, and you allso must have a line of >0.5 systems if you wana get it out of empire at all, so only poss is to build it in <0.5 and have >0.5 system on next door.

If not, then hell, you have a large miner untill all roids pop.

Jubeli
Caldari
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
Posted - 2005.07.28 17:59:00 - [13]
 

The Dread would be built near low sec space so you can jump out without any problems.

I've reduced the price to 5 bil isk, the price to build them are insane and you have to consider total cost, which for us includes 5% of BPO cost also in order to have some payback on our investments. 5-6 bil isk on a Dread isn't expensive, it is all about need and demand.

We can provide your corporation with Moros, the ones that remember how it was when m0o corp had one of the first BSs and roamed around in that know what I mean that it surely gives the upper hand and publicity it deserves.

Zincol, the Amarr dread is the next in line we would get. We would first like to sell 2-3 Moros tough before we look at another Dreadnought BPO. Unless someone arrives and asks for a contract on say 4-5 Amarr Dreads, then we'd start a private negotiation about prices etc ofc.

DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
Posted - 2005.07.28 18:03:00 - [14]
 

Not to take the tread off-topic or anything, but a dread doesn't even come close to the total supremacy of gemini battleships.

I'd buyout for 5bil but its just too ugly to train up for, so good luck :]

Araviel
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2005.07.28 18:55:00 - [15]
 

i wonder if you take byom deals?

Arcas Kett
Posted - 2005.07.28 20:45:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Tehel Necrona
grumpy old farts corp are offering any dread for 3.5 Bil, and that's with a 75% markup ! so 6 bil seems a lot my friend, if ur gonna be competetive, try being less greedy


The logistics required i think the guy can charge whatever he wants to, tbh. Doubt its about greed but about the time spend especially if hes a small corp. Hey got an idea for u why dont u check market in empire region and buy it cheaper? o no you cant can you....Rolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling Eyes

Jubeli
Caldari
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
Posted - 2005.07.28 21:21:00 - [17]
 

DigitalCommunist - let me know when you have them skills trained up and I'll gear you up with a Dread to roam low sec with. Please kill many freighters and other dreads, then let them know who makes the winning type of capital ships. Very HappyVery HappyVery HappyVery Happy

Originally by: Araviel
i wonder if you take byom deals?

Well that would be first the 1.5 bil down payment, after that you'll get the minerals needed. You would give us the minerals + 1.5 bil isk more upon delivery. BYOM on Dreads is a nightmare for logistics.

Note: JEDI corp does not sponsor piracy, we just produce and sell to whoever need our goods. As a proud corporation with Caldari motto we make sure to deliver a demand, of course our services that are without questions do have the "no questions asked tax" added to them.

slothe
Caldari
Jian Products Engineering Group
Atlas.
Posted - 2005.07.28 21:37:00 - [18]
 

Anyone worked out the actual build cost and what the price will level out at over time?

Kurenin
Amarr
Posted - 2005.07.29 05:25:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Kurenin on 29/07/2005 05:34:34
Originally by: slothe
Anyone worked out the actual build cost and what the price will level out at over time?


This probably won't paste right, and it's probably trolling your sell thread (sorry).

I have a spreadsheet with all that info but I can't find anywhere to upload it :|

Araviel
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2005.07.29 14:46:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Jubeli

Well that would be first the 1.5 bil down payment, after that you'll get the minerals needed. You would give us the minerals + 1.5 bil isk more upon delivery. BYOM on Dreads is a nightmare for logistics.




we got the stuff and freighters to transport it whit,
however 1,5 bill in down payment isnt making it any cheaper for us

Karl Borhman
Minmatar
Union Of Xtreme Military
Thor's Lightning
Posted - 2005.07.29 15:47:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Tehel Necrona
grumpy old farts corp are offering any dread for 3.5 Bil, and that's with a 75% markup ! so 6 bil seems a lot my friend, if ur gonna be competetive, try being less greedy


LOL! At that rate, they won't make squat on it. Better to sit and mine trit all day because it will be less work. A LOT less work.

How about this idea? People complaining about others charging too much for a Dred, can go mine the minerals, put together the components, arrange the delivery of dozens of components from subcontractors, buy the 16 billion in BPO's themselves to manufacture them, or have a seat and a warm glass of milk and a cookie when they have no idea what the hell they are talking about.

Anyone selling these things for less than 6-8 billion isk is leaving money on the table.

If someone is that stupid, I'll be glad to purchase it and resell it immediately for profit.


Jubeli
Caldari
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
Posted - 2005.07.30 13:12:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Karl Borhman
Originally by: Tehel Necrona
grumpy old farts corp are offering any dread for 3.5 Bil, and that's with a 75% markup ! so 6 bil seems a lot my friend, if ur gonna be competetive, try being less greedy


LOL! At that rate, they won't make squat on it. Better to sit and mine trit all day because it will be less work. A LOT less work.

How about this idea? People complaining about others charging too much for a Dred, can go mine the minerals, put together the components, arrange the delivery of dozens of components from subcontractors, buy the 16 billion in BPO's themselves to manufacture them, or have a seat and a warm glass of milk and a cookie when they have no idea what the hell they are talking about.

Anyone selling these things for less than 6-8 billion isk is leaving money on the table.

If someone is that stupid, I'll be glad to purchase it and resell it immediately for profit.




Shall I take that as you are willing to be my first customer now when I will sell it for 5 bil isk? Very Happy

These shiny beasts are the future for any corporation that want to survive in contested territory. I suggest you contact me today to be one of the first to get the Moros.

Up2 NoGood
Posted - 2005.08.01 12:01:00 - [23]
 

Jubeli can you provide me a screenshot of the bpos you own ? Im interested in a BIG multi dread deal but not so sure you have ANY bpos Shocked .

Jubeli
Caldari
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
Posted - 2005.08.01 12:23:00 - [24]
 

I would be able to sort some screenshots without a problem. I can't provide you with it for all parts though since we will use a few sub-contractors in the beginning until starting sales make us be able to invest in further BPOs.

Interesting with the new angle that someone wants screenshots (which so easily could be faked). I get the feeling that you think we can't deliver according to our sales order, it would be suicide as a trader/producer/pod pilot if I didn't honor my word - and I am not unknown as an industrialist among the stars, specially not as one to not honor my word.

Let's have a chat ingame about what it is you are looking for and we can discuss timeframe, volume, prices etc. We are also looking into the prospect of being able to produce Phoenix class Dreadnought, however we await until we have the logistics around the first Moros set in place.

Frost Killer
Posted - 2005.08.01 12:43:00 - [25]
 

Making people dump 1.5bil upfront 3 weeks prior to getting the ship isn't helping you one bit at all. Thats taking a huge amount of trust that you won't just run off with the money. Sorry not to be negative but payment on delivery of the ship is usually the set standard theres few cases where I've seen it done this way but its with considerable less amount of isk.

Jubeli
Caldari
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
Posted - 2005.08.01 12:53:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Frost Killer
Making people dump 1.5bil upfront 3 weeks prior to getting the ship isn't helping you one bit at all. Thats taking a huge amount of trust that you won't just run off with the money. Sorry not to be negative but payment on delivery of the ship is usually the set standard theres few cases where I've seen it done this way but its with considerable less amount of isk.

It is understandable that it might seem as a high risk when it is about so much isk involved, see it as an investment in a larger project. I as builder also want some sort of insurance that the buyer plan to fulfill his part - I've too often been in deals where something is ordered, then when the order is complete the buying informs that they no longer are interested.

This way it will be in both partners' interest to have the manufacturing in place as soon as possible. So the insurance will work both ways that they get their goods and we have our buyer.

Of course it is much easier just to wait in line for another producer, or put some isk where the promise is. Anything under 1 bil in down payment isn't anything I'd hardly see as a worthy downpayment, normally it is roughly 20-25% downpayment on larger installments, so we'ew not that unreasonable when we ask for 1.5 bil.

Up2 NoGood
Posted - 2005.08.01 13:01:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Jubeli
I get the feeling that you think we can't deliver according to our sales order, it would be suicide as a trader/producer/pod pilot if I didn't honor my word - and I am not unknown as an industrialist among the stars, specially not as one to not honor my word.



suicide and/or atleast richer from all the down payments you recieved and didnt deliver on. Do you deny thats not an option for you here? Seems you showed up in the market forums right when this last patch came out. Does that make you safe to hand over 1.5b down payment on each dread that I need? I see you offering another player to MABEY buy 50m trit days down the road, if you were a serious dread builder wouldnt u either have 50m trit or buy it on the spot not mabey down the road? Sounds like a big scam to me. Iv asked around too and nobody knows ya ?Surprised besides the crazy market spam youv done the past few weeks.

Jubeli
Caldari
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
Posted - 2005.08.01 13:26:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Up2 NoGood
Originally by: Jubeli
I get the feeling that you think we can't deliver according to our sales order, it would be suicide as a trader/producer/pod pilot if I didn't honor my word - and I am not unknown as an industrialist among the stars, specially not as one to not honor my word.



suicide and/or atleast richer from all the down payments you recieved and didnt deliver on. Do you deny thats not an option for you here? Seems you showed up in the market forums right when this last patch came out. Does that make you safe to hand over 1.5b down payment on each dread that I need? I see you offering another player to MABEY buy 50m trit days down the road, if you were a serious dread builder wouldnt u either have 50m trit or buy it on the spot not mabey down the road? Sounds like a big scam to me. Iv asked around too and nobody knows ya ?Surprised besides the crazy market spam youv done the past few weeks.

Yes, I totally deny that scamming is an option since I do like to continue my endevours.

The 50 mil trit post was made to s73v3n since I work a lot with him so I could take some off him if he wouldn't sell it to someone else, I have enough but more never hurt if it helps a friend.

It is true that I just recently started using these forums for market discussions, much because I've never seen any use for them until Capital Ships entered the picture. And if people you've asked around about JEDI corp then you haven't asked the right people, but we have also a while worked with ION Corp so that might be why (JEDI re-started 3 months ago again to start soley with capitals). So for some references: Why don't you ask ex. XF (CLS, Chosen Fate, Event Nova, ION Corp, III, STK, DDC), or BIG, Critical Mass, FinFleet, Brittish Space Corp, TTI, MASS, Echelon Corp or OE. They should be ablt to tell you that JEDI is an honorable corp.
Note: Some corporations we delt with for a looong time ago so the directors might not still be around..

I understand that you might hesitate, if you do then maybe you should look into finding another partner for Dreadnoughts and we can later discuss more when our supply chain etc is in place.

Darkrydar
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2005.08.01 14:41:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Up2 NoGood
Originally by: Jubeli
I get the feeling that you think we can't deliver according to our sales order, it would be suicide as a trader/producer/pod pilot if I didn't honor my word - and I am not unknown as an industrialist among the stars, specially not as one to not honor my word.



suicide and/or atleast richer from all the down payments you recieved and didnt deliver on. Do you deny thats not an option for you here? Seems you showed up in the market forums right when this last patch came out. Does that make you safe to hand over 1.5b down payment on each dread that I need? I see you offering another player to MABEY buy 50m trit days down the road, if you were a serious dread builder wouldnt u either have 50m trit or buy it on the spot not mabey down the road? Sounds like a big scam to me. Iv asked around too and nobody knows ya ?Surprised besides the crazy market spam youv done the past few weeks.


Nothing quite as humerous as questioning someones credibility with an alt.Rolling Eyes

Jubeli
Caldari
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
Posted - 2005.08.02 11:17:00 - [30]
 

Well being in the Dreadnought business make you somehow attract a lot of attention from alts it seems. Kudos to the ones in more questionable prospects that contacts me without the use of an alt.

But hey, free bumps and publicity. I don't mind or complain. Very Happy Maybe he is really thinking about it, or maybe he is trying to smack talk a competitor down?.. ooh conspiracy... (i'll stop hijacking my thread now)

Anyway, the advance downpayment is now down to 1 bil isk sice we've found a sponsors that is looking forward seeing the group produce Dreadnoughts. (don't bother asking who, I won't even tell my own alts)


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