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Dirty Knave
Gallente
Damage Unlimited Inc
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
Posted - 2005.07.26 02:51:00 - [1]
 

I was thinking about selling my Brutix and going back to a good ol Thorax for npc rat hunting... once I get my drone skills up tho. Couple weeks most likely cause im training ceptor skills atm. The brutix is my main and biggest ship but I was wondering if I could still rat hunt in 0.0 - 0.1 solo with a RAX. I have almsot 3m sp btw. If anyone thinks its a bad idea getting rid of my Brutix for a Thorax for lvl 2 missions and 0.0 and 0.1 rat hunting tell me please. Like I said once I get my drone skills up to the point where I can use 8 heavies then I will do it if you guys think its an alright idea because my drone skills are the suxor now... lol.

Black January
Aliastra
Posted - 2005.07.26 03:00:00 - [2]
 

If you want to down grade ships and you're training up skills for elite frigates, I'd actually recomend you pick up an assault frigate instead of a thorax. The feel for piloting will be radicaly different from that of a cruiser, but very close to that of an intercetor. An Enyo can easily tank 0.0 spawns if you're careful -- the only problem you'll have is dealing enough damage to break a tank, and to be honest I'd feel more comfortable with my chances to survive an Arch Angel commander in an af than I would in a thorax..

Sobeseki Pawi
Minmatar
Insurance Claim Services
Posted - 2005.07.26 03:02:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Black January
If you want to down grade ships...


He said sell the Brutix and fly the Thorax.

Dirty Knave
Gallente
Damage Unlimited Inc
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
Posted - 2005.07.26 03:30:00 - [4]
 

Well I really dont feel like training for an AF but if anyone else agrees I should then why the hell not? Anyone else can help here? Im off to bed... will check thread in the morning. AF over RAX? Means more training but you guys think it a good idea?

Razner Cerizo
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
Posted - 2005.07.26 03:39:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Razner Cerizo on 26/07/2005 03:39:16
afs seem a helluva lot more fun to pilot...

Sassi
Gallente
Posted - 2005.07.26 04:02:00 - [6]
 

Go for assault frigs. They are a blast. You can take out 110k npc with ease. Biggest problem is tanking, gotta get good skills and know what ur up against.
Thorax is no fun, why? ----> 1600mm plate, small blasters and heavy drones, u sit there, u tank and shoot a little and let ur drones do all the work. personally thats not fun.

Flying AFs makes u focus and concentrate while flyin it...you know you havent got much armor/shield and ur relying on ur resistance and if u get a shot harder than u can tank, ur in it deep, itss a nice thing to have in the back of your mind to keep you focused Razz

Mace Tyrell
Caldari
Rogue Arrow Galactic Empire
O X I D E
Posted - 2005.07.26 05:03:00 - [7]
 

I would say go with the Enyo, it's great little ship. Depending on what your going up against like Serpentis or Gurstias that do thermal kinetic you can tank a great deal of damage.
With a 1mn ab 2 you'll be moving fast enough so that larger ships will hardly ever hit you, and whatever does should pose no real threat. Only two problems you might have will be putting out enough damage to bring some of the larger ships down quickly. The other is getting webbed, which will put you in danger of getting hit by the bigger ships.

Captin Biltmore
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2005.07.26 05:06:00 - [8]
 

I love AF's, uppon approach is when u will get hit the hardest. Once you enter your orbit the ammount of damage taken is significantly reduced. This is also what I call the commitment. If you are in orbit you must kill what your orbiting. If you can't tank it you will never get away. Once you try to warp away, you are aligning for warp, reducing your transversial and thus get mega hits put on you again (just like on approach, but now your tank is wore down from tanking the spawn and you obviously are leaving for that reason).

NOW, if you are leaving because you don't have the damage ability to kill the damn NPC, but u can tank it. You can usually warp away with no problems.

Necrologic
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.07.26 05:17:00 - [9]
 

Don't bother with af's if you have ceptors. 400mm plate ceptor is better than an af, and thorax is also better than af right now. As for what it can take, any level 3 missions easy, and hunting down to .1 easy. Might even be able to handle single bs spawns in 0.0, but probably only if fighting guristas.

Rex Martell
Caldari
Posted - 2005.07.26 07:53:00 - [10]
 

Stick
5 x Dual 150 II's

1 x AB 10
1 x Web
1 x Cap Battery

1 x Medium Repairer
3 x Armour hardner
1 x cpr

Thorax can dish out great damage as a gun ship and only need drones for extra punch.
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Dust Puppy
Posted - 2005.07.26 09:12:00 - [11]
 

Taking out a single npc Battleship is easy. Just use the right hardeners and orbit the foe. Of course npc battleship rarely fight alone but if you can get rid of the lackeys fast the only real problem with taking out the battleship is to make enough damage which shouldn't be a trouble in a Thorax.

DWCougho
The W3rd
Posted - 2005.07.26 10:52:00 - [12]
 

i went 0.0 hunting in my thorax the other day, was no trouble at all and im hardly the greatest pilot atm.

I just used the basic plate rax setup, small blasters and a bay full o' ogres.

Deja Thoris
Invicta.
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2005.07.26 11:42:00 - [13]
 

I have friends that can solo the 4/10 serp complexes in a thorax.

This includes killing the 2.5 mill boss at the end.

Dirty Knave
Gallente
Damage Unlimited Inc
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
Posted - 2005.07.26 14:04:00 - [14]
 

Ok... ill just downgrade back to the Thorax and I can use a Thorax in PVP if needed. As for the AF I would train for it but since im busy with inty training atm ill wait for a while. I might train for an af in a few months down the road.

Dred 'Morte
New European Regiment
Blade.
Posted - 2005.07.26 14:12:00 - [15]
 

It's not downgrading, its upgrading, Brutix is the weakest of all cruisers, and Thorax is the 2nd best cruiser, this applys to both pve and pvp.

Hung Odonkey
Gallente
Posted - 2005.07.26 14:12:00 - [16]
 

I love my thorax and I currently use it primarily in 0.0 as a hunter and supporting other ships. Current setup:
H: 5 named light neutrons
M: MWD, cap charger, tracking comp
L: 1600mm Tungsten plate, med armor rep, 2 hardners, 1 WCS
Swap out the WCS for another hardner if your taking too much damage. I can tank single BS spawns and by far is the most enjoyable ship I have piloted thus far.

Macel
Posted - 2005.07.26 16:21:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Deja Thoris
I have friends that can solo the 4/10 serp complexes in a thorax.

This includes killing the 2.5 mill boss at the end.


I dont see how a thorax could tank that much damage. What does he do, out-range them?

My enyo, on the other hand, doesnt get hit by the cruisers or frigs often and thus can take the serp 4/10 complex head on at point blank range. I can't break the tank of the 2.5mil BS with modal light ions and antimatter ammo though....

DTM2752
Gallente
GC Metallurgical Industries
Posted - 2005.07.26 16:50:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Dred 'Morte
It's not downgrading, its upgrading, Brutix is the weakest of all cruisers, and Thorax is the 2nd best cruiser, this applys to both pve and pvp.


Actually the Brutix is a Battlecruiser, not a cruiser.

Razvan Nhoj
Posted - 2005.07.26 17:12:00 - [19]
 

That doesn't mean it's not worse than most of the cruisers when it comes to PvE/PvP :)

Spuki
Federal Investigations Agency
Posted - 2005.07.26 17:43:00 - [20]
 

I use my thorax as hunting ship in 0.0

Its no problem to kill spawns with a single battleship and some cruisers or frigs. I even managed to chain a dual 500K BS Spawn + 5 Frigs.


Minnow maught
Art of War
Cult of War
Posted - 2005.07.26 18:14:00 - [21]
 

I can do dual 1 mil BS spawns with upto 5 support cruisers. It is a challenge but one helluva load of fun and quite satisfying when you get the timing correct and don't have to warp out. An AF will tank spawns better but does not really deal quite enough damage to take out BS spawns single handedly.

The above is assuming guristas who have a heavy reliance on Missiles so using smaller ships (such as AF or cruiser) mean you can actually tank as well if not better than some BS's do when chaining spawns (there is an upside to the missile nerf .... the npc's have the same disadvantage !!)

not absoloutley sure what the max size BS is that a thorax could break the tank of I guess a 5 mil Dread Guristas should just about be doable solo but will probably take some time.

If you try the thorax, you wont be disappointed. Perhaps use the thorax whilst you train up for assault frigs. Assault frigs wont make you as much money from rat spawns but are more fun like others have pointed out.



DrunkenOne
Unknown Soldiers
B O R G
Posted - 2005.07.26 18:21:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Necrologic
Don't bother with af's if you have ceptors. 400mm plate ceptor is better than an af, and thorax is also better than af right now. As for what it can take, any level 3 missions easy, and hunting down to .1 easy. Might even be able to handle single bs spawns in 0.0, but probably only if fighting guristas.

/signed.

There is literally no reason to fly an assault frig, unless you are willing to pay like 80 mil for all gist fit along with a harpy.

Jacob Majestic
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2005.07.26 18:25:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: DrunkenOne
/signed.

There is literally no reason to fly an assault frig, unless you are willing to pay like 80 mil for all gist fit along with a harpy.


What ceptors can you really do this with? Just Gallente and Minmitar?

DrunkenOne
Unknown Soldiers
B O R G
Posted - 2005.07.26 18:27:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Originally by: DrunkenOne
/signed.

There is literally no reason to fly an assault frig, unless you are willing to pay like 80 mil for all gist fit along with a harpy.


What ceptors can you really do this with? Just Gallente and Minmitar?

and amarr and presumably a rocket crow, though I dont have any firsthand/secondhand knowledge.

Anjerrai Meloanis
Minmatar
FLA5HY RED
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2005.07.26 22:25:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: DrunkenOne
Originally by: Necrologic
Don't bother with af's if you have ceptors. 400mm plate ceptor is better than an af, and thorax is also better than af right now. As for what it can take, any level 3 missions easy, and hunting down to .1 easy. Might even be able to handle single bs spawns in 0.0, but probably only if fighting guristas.

/signed.

There is literally no reason to fly an assault frig, unless you are willing to pay like 80 mil for all gist fit along with a harpy.


ever thought that a 400mm plate af would win against lets say a claw with a 400mm plate, the inty with a plate cant fit long range guns so i doubt there'll be a range issue..

Liet Traep
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
IT Alliance
Posted - 2005.07.27 09:54:00 - [26]
 

I take on sansha and serpentis BS spawns in my retribution all the time. You can hunt 0.0 spawns in inties or af's fairly easily once you get the feel. I think an enyo would be perfect for that.

DrunkenOne
Unknown Soldiers
B O R G
Posted - 2005.07.27 14:06:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Anjerrai Meloanis
ever thought that a 400mm plate af would win against lets say a claw with a 400mm plate, the inty with a plate cant fit long range guns so i doubt there'll be a range issue..

Yeah, it will, except then a long range inty will kill you, and AFs are so slow that theres no possible way for one of them to get in range, even with a mwd. Basically if the inty has a web you lose.

Frost Killer
Posted - 2005.07.27 16:59:00 - [28]
 

Been ages since I flew a thorax but I did fly a Deimos for quiet a while.

Not exactly the cruiser that we all know but its one hell of a boat. Truely if you can or when you finish your inty skill and got t2 gun access for mediums, thats your best route. Blasters = pwnage on the Deimos and it can withstand some nice spawns, for instance I've done a few angel lvl 4's in one and its intense (biggest rats was 2x 2.75mil Angel BS's).

Before that I use to use a brutix in lvl 3 missions constantly. I did have a good setup for forgot it since now and I could handle all including the bonus levels in the Angel Dead Spaces and have done 4/10 complexes in it (without realizing that I had damn drones to help me out lol).

All is possible it just the skills you got to make it happen (brutix though is one slow fricken ship imo and would help from a slight grid boost at minimum).


 

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