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Tresh Keen
Posted - 2005.07.14 14:29:00 - [1]
 

Hi

Was this discussed in the last two years? I like the EvE Idea that you can learn other races ships - but why not boost the own ships a little bit?

Cheers, Bit

Plim
Gallente
Everything Financial
Posted - 2005.07.14 14:42:00 - [2]
 

Because players shouldn't be gimped just because they want to fly the ships of other races.

Grimwalius d'Antan
Gallente
Posted - 2005.07.14 15:05:00 - [3]
 

An interesting and valid idea, but no. It wouldn't make the game any better, we're almost learning things too fast already.

Frost Killer
Posted - 2005.07.14 17:19:00 - [4]
 

Truely I've always liked this idea. The only reason why people pick a certain race anymore is...
1) Story Line
2) Starting Stats
3) Might get a little boost in a ship they want right away

We should have racial training. Like Caldari would learn certain items that pretain to there race slightly faster then others. But it wouldn't gimp other races. Weather it be from ship, electronics, drones, engineering, mechanical, and weapons. Truely a bit of boost per race would be quiet nice to see where actually being a race will help you realistically in one way or another other then starting stats.

Vigilant
Gallente
Vigilant's Vigilante's
Posted - 2005.07.14 17:47:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Frost Killer
Truely I've always liked this idea. The only reason why people pick a certain race anymore is...
1) Story Line
2) Starting Stats
3) Might get a little boost in a ship they want right away

We should have racial training. Like Caldari would learn certain items that pretain to there race slightly faster then others. But it wouldn't gimp other races. Weather it be from ship, electronics, drones, engineering, mechanical, and weapons. Truely a bit of boost per race would be quiet nice to see where actually being a race will help you realistically in one way or another other then starting stats.


I can give ya another reason... Why I picked my race...

I didn't know any better Laughing

LUKEC
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2005.07.14 17:54:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: LUKEC on 14/07/2005 17:55:11
sure, IF i(and other players) can change race b4 this happens.

Because if you are amarr and have gallente skills... you can pretty much throw away 4-6mil sp and ...

CYVOK
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Fallen Angels Alliance
Posted - 2005.07.14 18:56:00 - [7]
 

I really like this idea.

Each race should have a "bonus" skill set that they are able to learn at say 125% normal speed.

Race specific ship skills.
Race specific weapon skills.
Race specific drone skills.

Then perhaps even "job" specific bonuses. Like if you choose to be a trader you would learn the trade skills faster ect...

Of course I think 2 other things would also have to be done in tandom with this change.

1) Charcter creation instructions with explinations of skill training and bonuses would need to be posted on EvE Homepage and explained before the "create new charcter" interface comes up in game.

2) For us old timers we would need an additional skill or a place in EvE to purchase for ISK where we could "change our race",.... "Genetic Resequencing". Further CCP would have to limit that changer to once per charcter to avoid abuse.

I started EvE on like day 2 and had NO CLUE about the races, I chose caldari because they looked more "human" and the back story was more "commanding" then the others. I have since discovered that I am actually Amaar.

El Principe
Caldari
VentureCorp
Posted - 2005.07.14 19:14:00 - [8]
 

This topic has been brought up alot. I for one, I support it.. Caldari forever (I got 27M SP and can only fly caldari BS, and im combat only, 8M SP in missles, babe! Shocked)

The reason this has failed in the past, was CCP's stance to not ( or at least making the greatest effort not to) limit the progression of characters.
However. with the latest patch, and the previous two. they seem to have moved towards almost forcing, at least to some degree, specialization. and now 'professions' which take millions of SP just to start up in, with millions more in advancement, seem to further contradict this old school stance.

I think this is slowly starting to become a possibility. but dont count on it to happen within the lifetime of your char Razz

Santiac
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.07.14 19:17:00 - [9]
 

Personally, i thought there already was this feature in the game? Granted not by race specifications, but by chosing a costum set path during your characters "school" process, aswell as increasements in stats when choosing bloodline?
I'm a bit indifferent about it, i dont care if it'll take someone else who is the same race as the racial type items i prefer less time training up specific skills that revovle around those items. But to be honest, i can't see the "logic" (granted no game should ever have to make logic, and most of the time it's lack thereoff that makes it interresting ;P) in a race that invented this or that technology well over a couple of decades ago, should be able to learn them any faster then another race, that was taught the technology from the race that invented it.

On the other hand it would make sense that a jove char (if or when) would be able to train their own items faster, since they would only just have begun teaching their bwad dark secwet technology to all the headless chickens flying about that is us. But if people were allowed to create jove characters, the sensible way of allowing a newborn jove player character to get a headstart, would be to allow them to costumize their starting skills (jove frigate, <other jove specific related items/skills>, etc.) during character creation, which is how it already is :)

Arrd Ironhand
Posted - 2005.07.14 22:11:00 - [10]
 

It shouldn't be any harder to learn another races technology, after all all the races are still human. It's like saying it should be harder to learn to drive a french car then an american.

Hamatitio
Caldari
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2005.07.14 23:32:00 - [11]
 

French cars are much harder.

Raven Dru
Minmatar
Neodyne Battalion
Posted - 2005.07.15 09:40:00 - [12]
 

American cars are laughable, much like flyng a Raven after the missile nerf Very Happy

Mitens Nauro
Posted - 2005.07.15 09:54:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Mitens Nauro on 15/07/2005 09:59:07

Originally by: El Principe
8M SP in missles, babe! Shocked


So you have already trained 2,624M skill points for new missile skills? All "Old" missile skills at L5 is 5,376M skill points. You must have insane perc and will attributes Cool

F'nog
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2005.07.15 09:57:00 - [14]
 

I like the idea. Although I don't think it should be faster to train your race, just longer to train others'.

Kerby Lane
ZER0.
IT Alliance
Posted - 2005.07.15 10:57:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: LUKEC
Edited by: LUKEC on 14/07/2005 17:55:11
sure, IF i(and other players) can change race b4 this happens.

Because if you are amarr and have gallente skills... you can pretty much throw away 4-6mil sp and ...


Signed.
It will disadvantage many people and wont be fair at all.

Pagefault
Evoke.
Ev0ke
Posted - 2005.07.15 11:52:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Hamatitio
French cars are much harder.


And the french still have no clue about driving at all. Laughing

Tisti
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2005.07.15 14:34:00 - [17]
 

CCP are planning to possibly add something like that it seems.. Will be very interesting if they do add

http://evegames.hostingbig.com/eve/data/[email protected]~32;@~38;@~32;Accessories/Bonuses/listing.xml

Calian
Caldari
The Makaze Blade
Posted - 2005.07.15 19:50:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Plim
Because players shouldn't be gimped just because they want to fly the ships of other races.


Originally by: Kerby Lane
It will disadvantage many people and wont be fair at all.



How is it any problem for people if you learn your own race faster, but leave nonrace skills the same as it is now? You don't make you learn nonrace skills slower, you make race skills faster. No one is put out, no one is disadvantaged, not compared to how things are now, because you'd have exactly what you do now, but, you'd also learn one race's skills faster.

MOOstradamus
Posted - 2005.07.15 20:48:00 - [19]
 

Quote:
CCP are planning to possibly add something like that it seems.. Will be very interesting if they do add


That's very old stuff Tisti

Lord Artemis
Dark Seraph
Order of the Black Cross
Posted - 2005.07.16 01:21:00 - [20]
 

RP wise, it would make good sense that you can learn your "native" ships and equipment a bit faster than foreign stuff

Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
Posted - 2005.07.16 01:47:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: CYVOK
I really like this idea.

Each race should have a "bonus" skill set that they are able to learn at say 125% normal speed.

Race specific ship skills.
Race specific weapon skills.
Race specific drone skills.

Then perhaps even "job" specific bonuses. Like if you choose to be a trader you would learn the trade skills faster ect...

Of course I think 2 other things would also have to be done in tandom with this change.

1) Charcter creation instructions with explinations of skill training and bonuses would need to be posted on EvE Homepage and explained before the "create new charcter" interface comes up in game.

2) For us old timers we would need an additional skill or a place in EvE to purchase for ISK where we could "change our race",.... "Genetic Resequencing". Further CCP would have to limit that changer to once per charcter to avoid abuse.

I started EvE on like day 2 and had NO CLUE about the races, I chose caldari because they looked more "human" and the back story was more "commanding" then the others. I have since discovered that I am actually Amaar.
I have to agree

Missy Meatshield
Posted - 2005.07.16 02:01:00 - [22]
 

errrrmmmmm .... you already learn your race's ships faster....

how?

why elementary my dear watson.... you see a minmatar character will ALWAYS reach minmatar battelship level 5 before a gallente, amarr, or caldari character...

why?

Because a minmatar character can start with minmatar frigate level 4 fresh out of creation.... whereas a gallente, amarr, or caldari character will have to start from level 1.... so a minmatar character will always get to minmatar battleship FIRST and this works for every race.

hahahah pwned by simple logic.


Startica
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2005.07.16 03:55:00 - [23]
 

personally i think training any race ships should be faster if you allready have higher skill trained for at least one race,, really not all the information needed to fly the ships(better) will be new. There would only be racial difrences which would be understood by the time you hit cruisers,, so they should train even faster,, so on and so forth.

Arimas Talasko
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2005.07.16 20:07:00 - [24]
 

Do japanese people learn how to drive japanese cars quicker

Plim
Gallente
Everything Financial
Posted - 2005.07.16 20:31:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Calian
Originally by: Plim
Because players shouldn't be gimped just because they want to fly the ships of other races.


Originally by: Kerby Lane
It will disadvantage many people and wont be fair at all.



How is it any problem for people if you learn your own race faster, but leave nonrace skills the same as it is now? You don't make you learn nonrace skills slower, you make race skills faster. No one is put out, no one is disadvantaged, not compared to how things are now, because you'd have exactly what you do now, but, you'd also learn one race's skills faster.


Because, if you choose to train for another race's ships, you are at an obvious disadvantage, because you will train them at a slower rate than your own race. I dont see why people should be encouraged just to train for thier own race.

Meridius
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2005.07.16 21:14:00 - [26]
 

It's a stupid idea, almost as dumb as the attribute system.

Tekka
Caldari
Sneaky Beaver
Posted - 2005.07.17 01:11:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Missy Meatshield
errrrmmmmm .... you already learn your race's ships faster....

how?

why elementary my dear watson.... you see a minmatar character will ALWAYS reach minmatar battelship level 5 before a gallente, amarr, or caldari character...

why?

Because a minmatar character can start with minmatar frigate level 4 fresh out of creation.... whereas a gallente, amarr, or caldari character will have to start from level 1.... so a minmatar character will always get to minmatar battleship FIRST and this works for every race.

hahahah pwned by simple logic.





hahaha no. Any race can do that Rolling Eyes

Missy Meatshield
Posted - 2005.07.17 04:20:00 - [28]
 

dont say "hahah no any race can do that" ..... because you just proved my point and you look stupid proving my point while trying to refute me....

toot toot ... here comes the clue train last stop is you...


in my post i stated that each race DOES learn their own ships faster by the mere fact that they can start with frig 4 in their respective race... a Minmatar will get to Minnie BS before any other race gets Minnie BS... because a Minnie can start with minnie frig 4 and no other race can get minnie frig 4 fresh out of creation.....and a Caldari will get to caldari BS before any other race gets a Caldari BS.

So what the original poster wants already exists to a certain degree.


Mesasone
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2005.07.17 05:38:00 - [29]
 

Races do not train their racial skills any faster, they simply start off with a couple of levels of racial command and gunnery. That is a big difference, especially considering racial frigate 4 takes all of 2 days to learn.

I think some of you struggle with reading comprehension, what is being suggested is not slowing of non-racial skill training, it's simple slightly speeding up training Gallente Cruiser V for gallente pilots. Yes, if you're Gallente and want to train Caladri cruisers, you're at a disadvantage to Caldari pilots, but on the same level with Matari and Armarrian pilots. Like wise, you have the advantage of training Gallente crusier faster than any of the other three races.

The suggested 25% speed is probably too much, but maybe a 15% train time decrease for racial specific skills would be nice. This would further re-enforce specialization if you received a bonus not only to spaceship command, but also racial gunnery and maybe even a smaller boost on secondary skills so that you'd have the skills to eqiup a specialized set up faster.

Missy Meatshield
Posted - 2005.07.17 07:42:00 - [30]
 

i think a 2 day penalty for trying to learn someone else's ships is plenty. Which is what it is currently.

making other pilots train their own race faster is pointless.. because if all are sped up at same rate then they all still learn at the same rate. And thus there is no change and therefore it basically turns out to be a penalty for those who wish to pick a diff race ship.

So it basically amounts to a penalty and not just a sugar-coated "bonus" for "specialized race" pilots.



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