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Trevedian
Amarr
Shaolin Monks
Posted - 2005.06.15 18:18:00 - [1]
 

We had some carebear neighbors in 0.0 and my first reaction was to kill them all... A few of my corpmates cajoled me into being a nice guy and leaving these pests alone, so we agreed to a NAP w/ them.

Then their CEO switched back and forth several times saying they wanted a NAP, they didn't want a NAP w/ pirates. After they vacillated many times back and forth

I convoed the CEO Effei Gloom and he said this...

[ 2005.06.15 00:25:51 ] Trevedian > so are we going to get along here or not?
[ 2005.06.15 00:25:59 ] Effei Gloom > nope sorry
[ 2005.06.15 00:26:13 ] Trevedian > so u guys want to fight?
[ 2005.06.15 00:26:16 ] Trevedian > seriously?
[ 2005.06.15 00:26:17 ] Effei Gloom > will send an offical mail

shortly after;
2005.06.15 17:14:00

Victim: Effei Gloom
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: FAMULUS EXTERORUM
Destroyed Type: Blackbird
Solar System: MB-NKE
System Security Level: 0.0

Involved parties:

Name: Trevedian (laid the final blow)
Security Status: -0.5
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Smegheads Inc.

and then in local;
[ 2005.06.15 17:14:20 ] Trevedian > and the fun begins
[ 2005.06.15 17:14:34 ] Effei Gloom > well we havent take back the nap yet
[ 2005.06.15 17:14:50 ] Trevedian > you said u did last night
[ 2005.06.15 17:14:57 ] Effei Gloom > so wont need ot send any offical mail
[ 2005.06.15 17:14:57 ] Trevedian > u said we couldn't be friends
[ 2005.06.15 17:15:10 ] Effei Gloom > i said i will take back the nap in offical mail
[ 2005.06.15 17:15:13 ] Effei Gloom > but wont have to
[ 2005.06.15 17:15:25 ] Effei Gloom > ...
[ 2005.06.15 17:15:28 ] Trevedian > well consider ur kill mail an official mail

So my question is, should I have waited for an official mail? Or is a NAP over when one person says its over? He said it was over, so the fat lady has sung right?


Hellspawn01
Amarr
The Fourth Empire
Retribution.
Posted - 2005.06.15 18:24:00 - [2]
 

Thats definately a way to end a NAP Very Happy

Nick Curso
Caldari
TunDraGon
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.06.15 18:24:00 - [3]
 

A NAP is over wen one party decides to blow the other up get over it.

Astarte Nosferatu
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2005.06.15 18:32:00 - [4]
 

Lol!


Antoinette Civari
Caldari
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.06.15 18:33:00 - [5]
 

They said they dont want to be your friends which gives you every right to blow them to hell.

Neslo
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2005.06.15 18:38:00 - [6]
 

NAP - non-agression pact.

I say NAP ends with the parties agreeing it's over, someone shoots the other, or grows into something bigger (ie alliance).

I think he stated a willingness to disolve the NAP, but said he'd send you and evemail. You shot him before he sent the evemail. But imho, the fact that he stated you couldn't get along and you killing him basically "agrees" with that statement, tells me that the NAP ended in agreement.

my 2 isk...
Nes

FalloutBoy
Gallente
Constructive Influence
Posted - 2005.06.15 18:42:00 - [7]
 

yup I think when he said he didn't want to be friends the nap ended

Leno
Caldari
Turbulent
Anarchy Empire
Posted - 2005.06.15 18:48:00 - [8]
 

why did u even NAP with miners to begin with? only reason is if they are paying you

CH1P
Amarr
N.A.G.A Corporation
Posted - 2005.06.15 18:50:00 - [9]
 

Personnally i think you did the right thing, he said he didn't want to be friends so yeah i would say it had finished.

Take care

CH1P


Effei Gloom
Minmatar
Lazy T2 Holdings
Posted - 2005.06.15 18:58:00 - [10]
 

thx for reminding me that we have pirate neighbours:

[ 2005.06.08 18:25:49 ] Trevedian > no we won't be doin any pvp in the near future
[ 2005.06.08 18:26:15 ] Dark Renegade > but will u help defend the area if it is attacked by pirates
[ 2005.06.08 18:26:20 ] Trevedian > yes
---
2005.06.08 18:34:48 ] Trevedian > we just got offered a new merc contract
[ 2005.06.08 18:34:59 ] Trevedian > we mostly do merc contracts if we can
[ 2005.06.08 18:35:03 ] Equin > I see, which corp will you be fighting?
[ 2005.06.08 18:35:12 ] Dark Renegade > so nomore pirating, turnin merc?
[ 2005.06.08 18:38:07 ] Trevedian > we just pirate when we are bored and unemployed
[ 2005.06.08 18:38:32 ] Equin > Trev, piracy will have to be a thing of the past if you wanna join us in this region
[ 2005.06.08 18:38:49 ] Trevedian > i already said that 3 times
[ 2005.06.08 18:38:52 ] Trevedian > we won't
[ 2005.06.08 18:38:56 ] Equin > ok ok :)

nice guy

Trevedian
Amarr
Shaolin Monks
Posted - 2005.06.15 19:04:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Leno
why did u even NAP with miners to begin with? only reason is if they are paying you


You know me Leno, I didn't want to be Mr. Nice Guy (It doesn't pay obviously) but my directors just wanted to carebear in peace for a change.

We could have pwned them before when they were hauling stuff out in their indies... It took all our self control not to pwn them...

Now we have to crush these pathetic and weak insects!

Trevedian
Amarr
Shaolin Monks
Posted - 2005.06.15 19:08:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Effei Gloom
thx for reminding me that we have pirate neighbours:

[ 2005.06.08 18:25:49 ] Trevedian > no we won't be doin any pvp in the near future
[ 2005.06.08 18:26:15 ] Dark Renegade > but will u help defend the area if it is attacked by pirates
[ 2005.06.08 18:26:20 ] Trevedian > yes
---
2005.06.08 18:34:48 ] Trevedian > we just got offered a new merc contract
[ 2005.06.08 18:34:59 ] Trevedian > we mostly do merc contracts if we can
[ 2005.06.08 18:35:03 ] Equin > I see, which corp will you be fighting?
[ 2005.06.08 18:35:12 ] Dark Renegade > so nomore pirating, turnin merc?
[ 2005.06.08 18:38:07 ] Trevedian > we just pirate when we are bored and unemployed
[ 2005.06.08 18:38:32 ] Equin > Trev, piracy will have to be a thing of the past if you wanna join us in this region
[ 2005.06.08 18:38:49 ] Trevedian > i already said that 3 times
[ 2005.06.08 18:38:52 ] Trevedian > we won't
[ 2005.06.08 18:38:56 ] Equin > ok ok :)

nice guy


I am a nice guy... I wanted to lub u, I wanted to leave u alone... FAEX said they didn't wanna be my friend, [SNIFF, SNIFF]

I am very sensitive guy, u hurt my feelings. U must get podded repeatedly now!



PaulAtreides
Gallente
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2005.06.15 19:14:00 - [13]
 

Funny how he wants the NAP to be over when it suites him. All mutual standings are reset as soon as he said:

[ 2005.06.15 00:25:59 ] Effei Gloom > nope sorry

Just because he was lazy and did not write out his "official" retraction, does not mean the NAP is still in effect. He had already indicated ill intention to you and your corp when he he said his famous last words (read above).

XirtamVotf
Amarr
Vengeance of the Fallen
CORPVS DELICTI
Posted - 2005.06.15 19:17:00 - [14]
 

When the alarm clock rings ?

Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2005.06.15 19:52:00 - [15]
 

When the temptation of an indy proves too much.

Tansien
Amarr
Contraband Inc.
Posted - 2005.06.15 19:57:00 - [16]
 

When he said he wanted it off, it was off.

Otherwise? lol wait for an official mail? so he can assemble a fleet, make sure he find a small group of your corp to gank, send the mail and try to kill you all?

His own fault tbh.

Nova Ivanova
Gallente
DarkStar 1 Innovations
Posted - 2005.06.15 19:59:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Joshua Calvert
When the temptation of an indy proves too much.


Methinks this is proof that Jpshua Calvert is a Webcrawling Bot, his post makes no purposeful comment nor is a indy getting ganked ever mentioned...

FAEX can't be trusted they changed their minds like 3 times in the last week whether they wanted to have a NAP or not.

They don't have any muscle to back up their demands, and Trev is wise not to take orders from a a small group of carebears.


Dash Prik
Amarr
Divine Retribution
Posted - 2005.06.15 20:29:00 - [18]
 

U messed with the wrong Bull

And Trev is the SEX MACHINE!! Obey him or get enslaved and u can be my " special Slaves " only girls allowed there the cute 1's that is other's can bugger off..

Me Lub Trev !

Shintoko Akahoshi
Gallente
Risen Angels
Posted - 2005.06.15 20:33:00 - [19]
 

Quote:
Gentle Reader:

While Miss Manners feels that the current trend of announcing ceasation of a NAP by means of a well-placed blaster shot is a little much, there is no need for a formal written note. When Mr. Gloom stated that he no longer wished to get along, he established both the fact that he doesn't feel neighborly towards you and the fact that your NAP should be considered defunct.

Miss Manners applauds your attention to etiquette, but rest assured, dear reader, that you have no cause for concern here.


-Taken from Miss Manners' Guide to Excruciatingly Correct Behavor in 0.0 Space.

Tamoria
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2005.06.15 21:11:00 - [20]
 

HAHAHAHAH I saw that stuff in local and narrowly missed his pod - laugh I nearly shat!

D 0 M 1 N 4 T 3 D ! ! ! ! ! YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!

They will be crushed like worms on a driveway after a rainstorm Laughing

Altai Saker
Gallente
Rapier Innovations
Posted - 2005.06.15 22:46:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Altai Saker on 15/06/2005 22:47:56
**** **** xirt beat me to it...

Refinierre
Gallente
KR0M
The Red Skull
Posted - 2005.06.16 01:26:00 - [22]
 

Why isn't anyone standing up for Effei Gloom? Its seems like a completely one-sided consensus that feels Trev is justified in blowing up Effei.

I think this is a murky issue, even if FAEX corp didn't want a NAP w/ pirates they didn't think they could trust, that doesn't give Smegheads Inc. the right to just hunt them down and blow them up.


Blind Fear
Amarr
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.06.16 02:36:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Refinierre
I think this is a murky issue, even if FAEX corp didn't want a NAP w/ pirates they didn't think they could trust, that doesn't give Smegheads Inc. the right to just hunt them down and blow them up.
..... Yes. Yes, it does.

Not that they need the 'right' to go blow someone up, all they need is the ability and the inclination. The ability.... well, thats obvious, and the inclination was supplied when their targets refused a NAP.

Konietzko
Caldari
Best Served Cold.
Posted - 2005.06.16 03:08:00 - [24]
 

THE NAP IS OVER WHEN I SAY IT'S OVER

Shintoko Akahoshi
Gallente
Risen Angels
Posted - 2005.06.16 05:00:00 - [25]
 

Doesn't sound that murky to me, really. They had a NAP, one party said "We still friends?", then the other said "nope, sorry". Effei broke the NAP verbally with Trev. Pretty cut and dried.

alien105cz
Minmatar
CHON
THE R0NIN
Posted - 2005.06.16 05:38:00 - [26]
 

Hi faex is not oure aliance dont fire to us RMN we dont have nothing whit FAEX we are not in alience.I dont whone war no one from RMN.bay

Hoozin
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2005.06.16 07:33:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Hoozin on 16/06/2005 07:32:59
Joshua Calvert is not a bot, he's a real person!!! and by real person, I mean not...Razz

But um yeah, you offered to be friendly, he said he doesn't want to be friendly, feel free to kick his ass out.

Ramorik
Caldari
Star Kingdom of Manticore
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
Posted - 2005.06.16 08:21:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Ramorik on 16/06/2005 08:43:57
Edited by: Ramorik on 16/06/2005 08:41:36
Edited by: Ramorik on 16/06/2005 08:29:29
We are not faex Trev, but you broke NAP with us without casus belli. How can somebody trust you after it. For me is holding of nap rules thing of honor. We had namy chances to kill your mining ships, we never did it. Today you attacked one of our ships, without oficial breaking NAP. Dishonoring of own word is worst what you can do as CEO.
Effei is not our CEO he cant break NAP in our name}.
We demand oficial statement. If you broke nap with us, its your problem and we will calk with that. But dont say effei did it, he is not our leader, you did it or not. Its your choice. We want clear situation. NAP good, war good too, i want know who is enemy and who is not. RMN fleet command

Rick Dentill
Caldari
BURN EDEN
Posted - 2005.06.16 08:41:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Rick Dentill on 16/06/2005 08:49:47
I Non aggression pact is exactly that where two parties agree to no hostilities between them. Either side can end it when they want, there is no rule per se. The principle behind making them is where one or both sides realise that conflict will be too costly.

Destroying Effei Gloom was effectively you saying that you no longer see the NAP in place. Who cares about evemails or whatnot.

Sure in some ways it would be "nice" for you to give warning before begining hostilites. But you dont win by being nice! If Effei Gloom has a problem with the current circumstances he should fight back and or hire some mercs to do it for him.

The real question here is "what will people think of me after this?" That is open to debate though people from the few posts i have read have taken your side. Some would say your actions might be dishonourable, but defining honour is like try to pin down a stream. Your "honour" is your own, and to be honest honour is highly overrated.

I say...

Omatje
Minmatar
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2005.06.16 10:41:00 - [30]
 

In short: "nope sorry"<napisover>"ktxdie"


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