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Arte
The Darkness Within
Posted - 2005.06.10 17:30:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Arte on 10/06/2005 17:32:41
Originally by: RadioBirdman

But the point is that after 2 years this game must have some standards that people must relay on to build their charachters and wallets...I start this game and i found some rules and mechanics..i study them and i decide to follow a path...well u can change them u can nerf or improve...but not totally screw people...that's what i am sayin..do it easy and slow,do it with style.killin frigs with 2 torps and now need 8 volleys it's a damn huge difference.And this is only an issue...there so many around...



If you started training Raven and missile skills 2 years ago, then it wasn't just for Lvl 4 missions. If you started less time ago and trained raven just for the missions, then I would suggest that it was incredibly short sighted of you. Everyone knew that lvl 4s would be made harder.
Either way when they got made available, you found yourself to be in a decent position to do them solo, easily.
This change will affect missile jocks the same way the tracking changes affected turret users. All of a sudden, people have to think about their setups.
There are a myriad of ways that the turret users coped, and the missile users will be able to cope just as easily.
Your chosen path just got made better, extra skills to use that help you improve your missile usage skill further still.. what's to complain about?
So you might need more ammo replenishments during a mission....
So you might not be able to personally rake in 25mil+ a mission.......
If those are your problems and you're prepared to quit over them, then perhaps this isn't the game for you anyways.
Improvise, adapt, overcome the problems. Or choose a different path.


PS: Compliments on your English. Better than my foreign speaking ability


Dionysus Davinci
The Scope
Posted - 2005.06.10 17:32:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 10/06/2005 17:32:25
Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 10/06/2005 17:31:52
1 large smartbomb for the frigs and then use heavy drones for the cruisers is what I do with my mega, but I try to target the cruisers first and get them before they get under my rails tracking.

Blind Fear
Amarr
Posted - 2005.06.10 17:37:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Blind Fear on 10/06/2005 17:38:32
I'm looking foward to these mass cancelations.

Please get off my server. The lag is bad enough in empire already. Be a part of the solution instead of a part of the problem for a change.
Originally by: Atuck
what makes me mad its not the nerf to raven mission running ability but all these ppl that are crying to nerf the new missle overhaul in pvp. i think some ppl get there fun out of crying for nerfs all the time.but overall this missle change will be bad for all imo cause guns will be nerfed when all the missle users start crying for nerf its a big circle thats how nerfs work :P
Turrets got a brutal smacking with the nerfbat more then a year ago, ace. You've had an extra year of broken weapon mechanics. Stop whining.

Too Legit
Posted - 2005.06.10 17:49:00 - [34]
 

Do any of the winers realize that you can do missions 3 times as fast with two people? One battleships sets up for killing the BS, with a big tanking setup. Other BS puts on a lot of Medium dual guns and tracking / target painters and energy transfer array to wtfpwn the cruisers and frigates, and help the other guy tank. The tanker can even put on a remote sensor booster to help the other guy really destroy the small ships.

It's more fun, and more profitable, than doing them solo. Everyone will switch to this new method when you can no longer kill two frigs per volly from your Raven.

Arondor
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
Posted - 2005.06.10 18:52:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Too Legit
Do any of the winers realize that you can do missions 3 times as fast with two people? One battleships sets up for killing the BS, with a big tanking setup. Other BS puts on a lot of Medium dual guns and tracking / target painters and energy transfer array to wtfpwn the cruisers and frigates, and help the other guy tank. The tanker can even put on a remote sensor booster to help the other guy really destroy the small ships.

It's more fun, and more profitable, than doing them solo. Everyone will switch to this new method when you can no longer kill two frigs per volly from your Raven.


I can kill 3 frigs per volley LOL. The change may hurt but I'll adapt

Arondor

Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
Posted - 2005.06.10 18:53:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Vathar
Sorry, I took it to b pve related because you mentionned pve just before ...

Easy to get confused about that, especially since the whole topic was about pve from the start Razz

Zaintiraris
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2005.06.10 19:43:00 - [37]
 

Theres a bright side to all this. Raven will still have a very handy shield tank. Mmm mmm shields. Very Happy

MutationZ
Posted - 2005.06.10 20:09:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Arondor
Originally by: Too Legit
Do any of the winers realize that you can do missions 3 times as fast with two people? One battleships sets up for killing the BS, with a big tanking setup. Other BS puts on a lot of Medium dual guns and tracking / target painters and energy transfer array to wtfpwn the cruisers and frigates, and help the other guy tank. The tanker can even put on a remote sensor booster to help the other guy really destroy the small ships.

It's more fun, and more profitable, than doing them solo. Everyone will switch to this new method when you can no longer kill two frigs per volly from your Raven.


I can kill 3 frigs per volley LOL. The change may hurt but I'll adapt

Arondor


You can kill 6 per volley if they are small emough. There, that makes my post as pointless as yours.


Krulla
Minmatar
Miner Protection Guild
Posted - 2005.06.10 21:16:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Krulla on 10/06/2005 21:18:49
Edited by: Krulla on 10/06/2005 21:18:08
Edited by: Krulla on 10/06/2005 21:17:24
People who call the missile overhaul a "nerf" are, in my humble opinion, and my opinion is just the opinion of one man and thus is not final or right by any means, clueless <derigatory term for sexual interaction between two consenting adults> idiots.

Oh sure, my baby brother (He's three. He likes to watch Timon and Pumba.) won't be able to solo those missions for me while I go take a shower in my raven anymore (that is if I did them anymore), but hey. That's life.

HOWEVER!

Get this.

Wait for it.

Waaait.

Torps will go about 3km/s when fired from a skill'd up raven.

Woaaaah.... howzabout that you whining crybabies? Blaster damage from 60km, now with even greater speed? Hell yeah. This thing will pwn battleships (I'm mostly thinking the player kind) like it's noone's buisness (hell, if someone makes it his buisness, he'll get pwned like it's noone buisness. And if someone makes THAT his buisness, he'll also get pwned like it's noone's buisness. Which in turn leads to someone else getting pwned like it's noone's buisness. Etc. So please, don't make it your buisness. You will start a unstoppable circle of people getting pwned like it's noone's buisness.)

It's not a nerf. It's luuuuurv. Share teh luuuuuurv. Lurv is goooood.

Shelob EnB
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
Posted - 2005.06.10 21:31:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Ronin Woman
Very Happy To all you mission runners that are going to quit:

Can I have your Isk & stuff? Very Happy QuestionQuestion


I'm Sorry Ronin Woman, but Archon Industries allready filled out the proper forms and submitted them to the entire CCP staff (even the small insects that live at CCP HQ got copies of the forms in triplicate). All the quiters stuff is going to us. Thanks for your time. :P

Olivin
Gallente
Aquarium
Posted - 2005.06.10 23:25:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: RadioBirdmanWhat i say is let's say ccp is a goverment...and say to people of her country:everybody go buy black cars...black cars will be cheaper..more sexy...will be free of taxes...will will will...and when anyone got one...suddenly ccp decides what???To forbid black cars from the roads of the country...buhahaha...This is how i receive it...being total fool.[/quote


OMG, have you live in the USSR?


Olivin

Atuck
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.06.11 05:55:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Atuck on 11/06/2005 05:59:14
Edited by: Atuck on 11/06/2005 05:58:09
Originally by: Blind Fear
Edited by: Blind Fear on 10/06/2005 17:38:32
I'm looking foward to these mass cancelations.

Please get off my server. The lag is bad enough in empire already. Be a part of the solution instead of a part of the problem for a change.
Originally by: Atuck
what makes me mad its not the nerf to raven mission running ability but all these ppl that are crying to nerf the new missle overhaul in pvp. i think some ppl get there fun out of crying for nerfs all the time.but overall this missle change will be bad for all imo cause guns will be nerfed when all the missle users start crying for nerf its a big circle thats how nerfs work :P
Turrets got a brutal smacking with the nerfbat more then a year ago, ace. You've had an extra year of broken weapon mechanics. Stop whining.


okay dont want to see you whine when guns get nerfed cause they can take out a frigate within a volley and just for your info i fly all battleships except amarr. and swore i saw a dev bog about a nerf to guns somewhere lately( dont think its in yet it was like a thing thats coming soon). and yes i fly all battleships so i am not favored to missiles. heavy nerfing is bad for all but you shall see.and quit saying this isnt a nerf. when it takes 3 volleys of torps to kill a frigate worth 90k i dont see how thats a improvement. drugs are bad Twisted Evil

xaioguai
Minmatar
Posted - 2005.06.11 07:30:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Atuck

okay dont want to see you whine when guns get nerfed cause they can take out a frigate within a volley and just for your info i fly all battleships except amarr. and swore i saw a dev bog about a nerf to guns somewhere lately( dont think its in yet it was like a thing thats coming soon). and yes i fly all battleships so i am not favored to missiles. heavy nerfing is bad for all but you shall see.and quit saying this isnt a nerf. when it takes 3 volleys of torps to kill a frigate worth 90k i dont see how thats a improvement. drugs are bad Twisted Evil


Ask me if i care, I am a minmatar and I fly minnie ships.


Speed and nerf bat resistance are our racial bonus Razz

PS. come to think of it, minnie is direct opposite of caldari, perhap we should fight caldari instead amarrWink


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