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Malik Delagore
The Scope
Posted - 2005.04.15 08:52:00 - [1]
 

The Scope – For Immediate Circulation - 15.04.107

Unity of the Void Not Taking Sides on Slavery Issue
by Synkolrty Noroom

Everyone, unless they have been hiding in a cave all their lives, is aware of the friction between the Amarr Empire and it's ready acceptance of slavery and the Minmatar Republic's ongoing struggle to free their race from this same slavery. After only a few days of opening it's doors, the pro-Federation capsuleer organization, Unity of the void, has repeatedly been questioned about it's stance on this debate, and therefore they have decided to make their intentions public.

Malik Delagore, the CEO of Unity of the Void, today addressed the press with a short statement in regards to this issue:

“Ladies and Gentlemen of the Press, thank you for being here, I will try to keep this short. Let me start by explaining that Unity of the Void does not dictate beliefs to it's pilots. Though I stand before you to make clear our offical stance, as an organization, in regards to an important political situation, each pilot is free to their own opinion and beliefs in regard to the current topic or any other. That being said, I will continue.

Since opening Unity of the Void to Federation loyal pod pilots, I have been asked repeatedly, as have our pilots, where this organization would stand in the fight over slavery.

Being loyal citizens of the Federation, it sorrows us to the very fiber of our being to see anyone stripped of their personal freedom. We abhore slavery yet no person or government should have the right to deny a person their culture and beliefs. We have no right to condemn the Ammar Empire for it's culture, which is deeply rooted in it's history, nor do we condone their keeping of slaves. The issue of slavery resides with the Empire and Republic to resolve, hopefully by peaceful, diplomatic means as we mourne for all the destroyed lives, on either side of this issue.

Unity of the Void is turning it's attention inward to our [Federation] laws and issues. While the good hearted citizens of the Federation have worked hard to help all people in any way possible, the state of the Federation has been neglected on many levels. The Gallente Federation is where Unity of the Void will expend it's resources, time and energy. We strongly urge the rest of the Gallente Federation to do the same.

Thank you very much.”


Many people are stunned by this public statement. It has long been surmised that the Gallente Federation, as a whole and in general, embraces the Republic's fight for the freedom of the Minmatar people.

This reporter asked one of the people in attendence what they thought, they responded, “Quite frankly, I am shocked. Not at the stance Unity of the Void has chosen to take. It's just that I have never considered the Ammarian culture in this issue. I have a lot of thinking to do.”

CriticalJim
Caldari
Caldari Shinsei Seisaku
Posted - 2005.04.15 10:46:00 - [2]
 

*Critical Jim reads this news thread before him and laughs* Typical Gallente sitting on the sidelines not wanting to get their hands dirty.

Malik Delagore
The Scope
Posted - 2005.04.15 13:17:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Malik Delagore on 15/04/2005 13:31:13
*Malik flips on his holoscreen and puts his feet up on his desk and starts scanning GalNet for the news story that The Scope was supposed to release today.*

Ahhh, there it is, very well written, I'll have to send Synkortly a thank you.

*Malik reads further then smirks.*

It was inevitable, the Caldari being the first here with their highly predictable attitude. Turning our attention away from any distraction that keeps us from watching them is always bad...to them. It figures. I guess they would like us to forget that they are poised on our border. Maybe they would like to pull that same maneuver they just did with the Republic. Unauthorized boarding of a space station. It is insufferable. But what it all boils down to is that there is no profit in selling arms when there is no war...yes all very predictable. Now how to respond...

Dear Mr. CriticalJim,

Thank you commenting on the good hygiene of the Gallente people, we are so pleased that it has not gone unnoticed.

*Malik flips off the holoscreen and heads to the pleasure hub.*

Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2005.04.15 16:18:00 - [4]
 

Good call.

Fasute Sethnakte
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2005.04.15 16:24:00 - [5]
 

Indeed, the last thing we need in this conflict is yet another independant party thinking they can change they world.

I appluade you, Mr. Delagore. You show more sense than the rest of your sexually confused kind. I would hope more Gallente corporations would follow your lead. Perhaps once your involvement in our issue is no longer of any substence, perhaps then the Empire would warm up to trade agreements.

CriticalJim
Caldari
Caldari Shinsei Seisaku
Posted - 2005.04.15 16:33:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: CriticalJim on 15/04/2005 16:33:37
*His computer flares into life as a message beeps its precence on the screen* Jim begins to load it and reads. Dam these Gallente and there wit shouts Jim smashing the screen to vent his frustration, the come back will have to wait.... Jim mumbles to himself "Maybe I'll see you in the field Gallenten."

Tar Kovsky
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2005.04.15 17:01:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Malik Delagore
It has long been surmised that the Gallente Federation, as a whole and in general, embraces the Republic's fight for the freedom of the Minmatar people.
Members of all races are currently forced to endure slavery in Amarr. This is a human rights issue, not some kind of political conflict.
Originally by: Malik Delagore
We abhore slavery yet no person or government should have the right to deny a person their culture and beliefs.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is cultural relativism at its worst. I take it, then, that you also agree that groups like the Blood Raiders should be allowed to continue the activities associated with their culture and beliefs?

Neither the number of people engaged in the practice nor the length of time for which it's been engrained in the culture change the fact that slavery is disgusting.

Kaleigh Doyle
Gallente
Racing News Network
Posted - 2005.04.15 17:16:00 - [8]
 

If you think slavery is only a Matari/Amarri issue, I suggest you educate yourself further on the subject. Federation citizens are kidnapped frequently by the likes of Serpentis and Khandid slave raiders, and if you choose to represent the Gallentean people the least you could do is acknowledge the very real threat that exists on the border worlds.

Furthermore, kidnapped Federation citizens brought to the Empire are legally sold to slavers in addition to being bred to perpetuate this form of bondage. It's our responsibility as free thinking individuals to uphold the rights of every individual including the ones who suffer the misfortune of enslavement.

To acknowledge an Amarri's sovereign right to hold slaves is not only counter to the ideals of freedom and individuality, it's a detriment to the principles of the Federation.

Think before you speak.

xoxo

Discorporation
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2005.04.15 17:19:00 - [9]
 

It is distasteful to own slaves that are not Minmatar or Ealur. Races that we have not conquered are not enslaved.

You mistake the Amarr for the Khanid. You'll be hard pressed to find a Gallentean or Caldari slave in our territories.

Shira d'Radonis
Amarr
The Amarr Mission
Posted - 2005.04.15 17:23:00 - [10]
 


What I'm considering more than anything else right now is the pointlessness of this declaration... you're taking a stand on not taking a stand. So really, if you'd just not said anything at all, the effect would've been essentially the same.

I've got a slogan for you guys: Live Free or Don't

Kaleigh Doyle
Gallente
Racing News Network
Posted - 2005.04.15 17:25:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Discorporation
It is distasteful to own slaves that are not Minmatar or Ealur. Races that we have not conquered are not enslaved.

You mistake the Amarr for the Khanid. You'll be hard pressed to find a Gallentean or Caldari slave in our territories.


And yet I find them. Strange coincidence. And not all Federation citizens are of Gallentean or Intaki origins. A significant portion of our population consists of Matari people in addition to Amarri and other minorities.

A citizen is a citizen Disco, and your people buy them daily. Neutral

Shira d'Radonis
Amarr
The Amarr Mission
Posted - 2005.04.15 17:28:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle


And yet I find them. Strange coincidence. And not all Federation citizens are of Gallentean or Intaki origins. A significant portion of our population consists of Matari people in addition to Amarri and other minorities.

A citizen is a citizen Disco, and your people buy them daily. Neutral


More often than not, slavers who take Gallente and Caldari as slaves are Ni-Kunni because the Ni-Kunni have corrupted the faith within and really only use God as a mask for their capitalist, exploitive desires.

Kalen Vorn
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2005.04.15 17:37:00 - [13]
 

Mr. Delagore,

The Federation is more than a collection of star systems, it is an expression of our ideals. If we are to truly support the Federation, then we must make a stand for what we believe in, individuality and freedom for all. When we cease to do so, then the Federation might as well not exist.

I truly hope that Unity of the Void will change its stance on this issue.

Shira d'Radonis
Amarr
The Amarr Mission
Posted - 2005.04.15 17:42:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Shira d''Radonis on 15/04/2005 17:42:15
Originally by: Kalen Vorn
Mr. Delagore,

The Federation is more than a collection of star systems, it is an expression of our ideals. If we are to truly support the Federation, then we must make a stand for what we believe in, individuality and freedom for all. When we cease to do so, then the Federation might as well not exist [emphasis added].

I truly hope that Unity of the Void will change its stance on this issue.


Yes, the Federation might as well not exist... the Federation doesn't stand for what it believes in (assuming that's ANYTHING). It is a non-entity in the world of EVE.

The Gallente who have not ventured off into the frontiers of space or joined with resistance groups have shown themselves to be a a vapid, selfish, immature race of people. That's the reason why they can't galvanize themselves enough to form pilot organizations worth speaking of.

Kaleigh Doyle
Gallente
Racing News Network
Posted - 2005.04.15 18:02:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Kaleigh Doyle on 15/04/2005 18:02:51
Originally by: Shira d'Radonis

Yes, the Federation might as well not exist... the Federation doesn't stand for what it believes in (assuming that's ANYTHING). It is a non-entity in the world of EVE.

The Gallente who have not ventured off into the frontiers of space or joined with resistance groups have shown themselves to be a a vapid, selfish, immature race of people. That's the reason why they can't galvanize themselves enough to form pilot organizations worth speaking of.



Careful. You of all people know where typecasting an entire race to the follies(strengths) of its society can lead.

And I believe the Gallentean people exhibit their right to freedom and cultural diversity by integrating with other races in cooperative union rather than inbreed in the stagnance of an indistinguishable xenophobic entity. That said, I'd rather not see paramilitary units parading their blasters unto the pod pilot community in the name of freedom and democracy, would you?

Or was the CVA not enough for you?

xoxo

Kalen Vorn
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2005.04.15 18:11:00 - [16]
 

Ms. d'Radonis,

Gross caricatures of Gallentean society aside, I'll agree that we've lost sight of our original ideals. However, I hope that with the upcoming elections, we can change this and bring a renewed sense of purpose to our citizens.

Shira d'Radonis
Amarr
The Amarr Mission
Posted - 2005.04.15 18:16:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle

Careful. You of all people know where typecasting an entire race to the follies(strengths) of its society can lead.


I did say there were exceptions to the rule... but there is nothing wrong with identifying cultural traits. The fact of the Federation's lack of genuine interest in things beyond their borders stands on its own. I was merely pointing out the trend of the Gallente thought patterns. It doesn't mean that they are all this way or irreparably this way.

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And I believe the Gallentean people exhibit their right to freedom and cultural diversity by integrating with other races in cooperative union rather than inbreed in the stagnance of an indistinguishable xenophobic entity. That said, I'd rather not see paramilitary units parading their blasters unto the pod pilot community in the name of freedom and democracy, would you?

Or was the CVA not enough for you?



I didn't necessarily say they had to be a paramilitary group like CVA. Merely an organization of Gallente pilots (and not necessarily exclusively Gallente pilots) that does not opt to go off into deep space to carve out their own empires but who choose to remain and better their own society.

Kaleigh Doyle
Gallente
Racing News Network
Posted - 2005.04.15 18:47:00 - [18]
 

Hmm, perhaps more thoughtful cultural traits than vapid, selfish and immature would be appropriate, my dear Ms. d'Radonis. Identifying the Amarri as warmongering, heartless elitists with a few exceptions might not sit well with you, would it?

Every Gallentean citizen that ventures into the unknown to pursue their dreams in a democratic or freespace environment perpetuates the principles of the Federation by example to others, barring obvious exceptions. It may not be as overt as a unit such as the Gallente Union, but it certainly sends the message nevertheless.

In any such case, this topic concerns a Gallentean organization that's chosen to not take a stand on the issue of slavery, which I believe is hypocritical to the nature of the Federation and everything it stands for.

Cool


Shira d'Radonis
Amarr
The Amarr Mission
Posted - 2005.04.15 19:02:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
Hmm, perhaps more thoughtful cultural traits than vapid, selfish and immature would be appropriate, my dear Ms. d'Radonis. Identifying the Amarri as warmongering, heartless elitists with a few exceptions might not sit well with you, would it?


If the shoe fits... Though I would say that is less accurate for Amarrians lower down on the social ladder or Amarrians who have opted to live and work outside of the Empire, which was exactly what I said about the Gallente.


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Every Gallentean citizen that ventures into the unknown to pursue their dreams in a democratic or freespace environment perpetuates the principles of the Federation by example to others, barring obvious exceptions. It may not be as overt as a unit such as the Gallente Union, but it certainly sends the message nevertheless.


The Gallente in XETIC, Phoenix Alliance, Stain Empire, etc. so on and so forth, are not representing the interests of the Federation. They are acting in the interests of their own empires.

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In any such case, this topic concerns a Gallentean organization that's chosen to not take a stand on the issue of slavery, which I believe is hypocritical to the nature of the Federation and everything it stands for.

Cool




And I thought Star Fraction's lack of a strong showing on the slavery question until it was politically useful was disengenuous.

On the other hand, they did make the statement that they hate slavery while continuing to tolerate it, which may be contradictory to Federation ideals but is certainly in keeping with Federation policy.

Kaleigh Doyle
Gallente
Racing News Network
Posted - 2005.04.15 19:22:00 - [20]
 

*rubs her eyes*

If making ignorant generalizations about other ethnicities works for you, go wild.

It says alot about your character.

The external alliances you've described adhere to some form of representative democratic rule, indicative of the Federation. There's something to be said for entities that choose this form of government in relation to the four modes of government in CONCORD protected space. I'd say that's some reflection upon the Federation, though not as direct as you've alluded to.

Originally by: Shira

And I thought Star Fraction's lack of a strong showing on the slavery question until it was politically useful was disengenuous.

On the other hand, they did make the statement that they hate slavery while continuing to tolerate it, which may be contradictory to Federation ideals but is certainly in keeping with Federation policy.


I was referring to the Unity of Void, seeing as how this is their discussion about not taking a stance on slavery. Neutral

Shira d'Radonis
Amarr
The Amarr Mission
Posted - 2005.04.15 19:34:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
*rubs her eyes*

If making ignorant generalizations about other ethnicities works for you, go wild.

It says alot about your character.


These aren't ignorant generalizations. They are founded on the behavior of Gallente society... as the judgment you described of Amarrian society is descriptive of our behavior. While not everyone follows the trends of their society, you can't deny that social trends and culture make a big difference in any given individual's behavior. I'm not suggesting genetic reasons for this.

And the Federation has been notorious for what we might call "fad causes". It's popular to get all excited about some pressing issue, keep it in the news for a little while, politicians shuffle papers around looking busy on the topic, and then everybody moves on to the next thing and the people who were depending on Federation assistance are left to clean up the mess. I mean, Amarrian diplomacy is far from ideal, but at least it's consistent.

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The external alliances you've described adhere to some form of representative democratic rule, indicative of the Federation. There's something to be said for entities that choose this form of government in relation to the four modes of government in CONCORD protected space. I'd say that's some reflection upon the Federation, though not as direct as you've alluded to.


I will concede that at least.


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I was referring to the Unity of Void, seeing as how this is their discussion about not taking a stance on slavery. Neutral


Sorry... I should've been more clear. My second sentence was referring to Unity of Void.

Malik Delagore
The Scope
Posted - 2005.04.15 21:54:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Malik Delagore on 15/04/2005 21:55:19
Edited by: Malik Delagore on 15/04/2005 21:54:36
*Malik strolls in and brings up GalNet, scanning down the list of replies he sighs.*

I suppose it was inevitable.

Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
If you think slavery is only a Matari/Amarri issue, I suggest you educate yourself further on the subject. Federation citizens are kidnapped frequently by the likes of Serpentis and Khandid slave raiders, and if you choose to represent the Gallentean people the least you could do is acknowledge the very real threat that exists on the border worlds.


If you read my the speech, as it was accurately quoted, you will note that it clearly states that we are "turning it's attention inward to our laws and issues" and our laws clearly state that within our space says slavery is illegal within the boundaries of the Federation.

Maybe, if more people would turn their attention inward a bit and prioritize their attention to where it is needed and will have the most effect, this might not be an issue within the Federation. Maybe there would be enough war ships in our space to catch and stop these kidnappers. Maybe we could become the great Federation we once were and stop running around the universe like a fedo on a hot afterburner trying to save everyone. And just maybe we would then have the political and military backbone to finally do something significant in this area.

Originally by: Shira d'Radonis

What I'm considering more than anything else right now is the pointlessness of this declaration... you're taking a stand on not taking a stand. So really, if you'd just not said anything at all, the effect would've been essentially the same.


*Malik rolls his eyes*

Right, and then you had to comment on someone not saying something...

Originally by: Kalen Vorn

It is an expression of our ideals. If we are to truly support the Federation, then we must make a stand for what we believe in, individuality and freedom for all. When we cease to do so, then the Federation might as well not exist.


Do you not consider the millions of Gallentean citizens that are poor to be deprived of their freedom? Where can they go? What can they do? The effects of poverty can be as horrible and have an ending that is just as horrible and final as slavery. Maybe they deserve a little of this "saving" too? I do not feel that we have stopped or cease to care, we are taking care of our own first.

Black and white, maybe some grey in between for those who feel "enlightened" but if someone sees a different color...

*Malik shakes his head*

...and they all cry "freedom and individuality". I guess that means "as long as you agree with me".

*Malik flips off GalNet and returns to his desk and the stack of papers that need his attention*

Shira d'Radonis
Amarr
The Amarr Mission
Posted - 2005.04.15 22:05:00 - [23]
 

Quote:


*Malik rolls his eyes*

Right, and then you had to comment on someone not saying something...


Yes... yes, I did. Laughing But at least I said something. I had an opinion about you not having an opinion. Smile

Malik Delagore
The Scope
Posted - 2005.04.15 22:21:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Shira d'Radonis
Quote:


*Malik rolls his eyes*

Right, and then you had to comment on someone not saying something...


Yes... yes, I did. Laughing But at least I said something. I had an opinion about you not having an opinion. Smile


ShockedDid I say that out loud?

Well right then...

ummm...thank you for having an opinion on nothing!LaughingVery Happy

Shira d'Radonis
Amarr
The Amarr Mission
Posted - 2005.04.15 22:24:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Malik Delagore

ShockedDid I say that out loud?



No, you didn't. I hacked your mind... Twisted Evil

Kalen Vorn
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2005.04.16 00:09:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Malik Delagore

Do you not consider the millions of Gallentean citizens that are poor to be deprived of their freedom? Where can they go? What can they do? The effects of poverty can be as horrible and have an ending that is just as horrible and final as slavery. Maybe they deserve a little of this "saving" too? I do not feel that we have stopped or cease to care, we are taking care of our own first.



You have a very valid point there Mr. Delagore, the Federation must do more to address the concerns of the impoverished and less-fortunate amongst us. I also agree that loyal Gallentean citizens need to focus more efforts in bolstering the Federation. If Unity of the Void chooses to work towards alleviating these issues, I'll certainly applaud you for it.

That being said however, I still believe that washing our hands of our responsibility to condemn slavery by merely citing respect for cultural differencese is a betrayal of our principles.

Nevertheless, it is good to see more organizations devoted towards furthering Gallentean society. Best of luck to you Unity of the Void.

Malik Delagore
The Scope
Posted - 2005.04.16 00:22:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Shira d'Radonis
Originally by: Malik Delagore

ShockedDid I say that out loud?



No, you didn't. I hacked your mind... Twisted Evil


Confused
*Malik writes note to buy a firewall implant as soon as possible*

Tony Fats
Posted - 2005.04.16 01:59:00 - [28]
 

Moderation in contention is imbecility. There are always opposing viewpoints, opposing claims, opposing laws, opposing forces. This is how cultural domination is decided.

Moral relativism is a lie, because "culture" is a stew that ALL races create. You're not just eating your own stew, you're eating EVERYONE's stew.

Doesn't matter how much the Emperor censors Gallente goods and entertainment, some of it gets through, affects Amarre culture. Same thing the other way, no matter how much the Gallente Federation try to suppress religious freedom, some religious texts get through, people convert and begin to have loyalty and sympathy for the Emperor.

It goes in all directions, to all races, our cultures AFFECT one another, and a unified government is inevitable, because this is the natural evolution of man.

Eventually there won't be Amarrians and Minmatar, Gallenteans and Caldari, men and women, old and young, but simply sentient entities whose ethnic background is irrelevant.

The fact that this will HAPPEN is a foregon conclusion in my mind, and the only decisions that need to be made are : Which cultural traits will prevail and become dominant.

For this reason, moderation in promoting your culture everywhere in the galaxy is imbecility. If your culture doesn't dominate, theirs will. If you don't aggressively promote your ideals, they will. If you don't fight for your beliefs, they will.

The cold wars and intrigues of the galaxy will not decide which empire "wins" territory. They will decide which cultural IDEALS will be dominant once we get past silly concepts like "nation-states" and "patriotism" and these nations fall apart.

Malik Delagore
The Scope
Posted - 2005.04.16 02:22:00 - [29]
 

*Malik pulls up GalNet*

Originally by: Tony Fats
Moderation in contention is imbecility. ....


Shocked

imbecility, great word...fits that rant perfectly

*Malik shuts down GalNet, yawns and goes to get some sleep after putting in a buy order for a firewall implant*


 

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