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Generatorn
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2005.04.10 17:07:00 - [61]
 

wow this is amazing we are famous \o/

Draximus Cane
Minmatar
Infestation.
The Church.
Posted - 2005.04.10 17:08:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Roger Dodger
Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 10/04/2005 16:55:03
Originally by: Roger Dodger
No offense, but if you expect CCP to change game mechanics to better suit the gameplay needs of 4 corps which comprise less than 1% of EVE's population, you've lost your minds.



We are not the only ones knocking down CCP's door to fulfill a promise they made nearly two years ago. The bounty hunting system does not exist. The Merc profession is possible only by using a mechanic not designed for it and adapting it.

As to my mental state, it's quite stable considering I've actually spoken to CCP on this issue and been assured that changes are indeed in the works.

No offense taken. Wink


We're talking about the same CCP who said Titans would be out in 2004.

I'll believe it when I see it. Razz



well untill then we will use what is available, and continue to whor.... er hire ourselves out

Artharas
Caldari
Arth Inc
Posted - 2005.04.10 17:16:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Julien Derida
Originally by: Artharas

This is the attitude I HATE from PvPers. I am mostly a PvPer, but what I find great about this game is not the PvP but the fact this game is whatever you like to do. this game is NOT a PvP game unless you like PvP(and when your corp/alliance is in dier[sp?] need)

Sometimes I find PvPers are WAY to arrogance to the "carebears" because the PvPers playstyle is *so much* more uber, fun and right then the "carebear" playstyle.


Thats a bit rich coming from a guy who griefed a perfectly innocent Sharks Indy fight before the XETIC war by deliberately running into peoples smartbombs to get them concordokkened. Crying or Very sad

Me no no I was just saying hello to ya guys before hell was brough loose and the guy felt the need to smartbomb me LaughingWink

Akaviri
Gallente
Interstel
Posted - 2005.04.10 17:29:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Seleene
While one is obviously better than the other, we have no idea why people like Pepsi more than Coke.


That one baffles me as well. How could anyone like Pepsi more than Coke? Good luck with your alliance and make more vids. Very Happy

Foyle
Caldari
Phantom Squad
Atlas.
Posted - 2005.04.10 17:32:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Foyle on 10/04/2005 17:32:26


Chocolate chip or Oreo?


Congrats on the IGA.

OrbitalEffect
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2005.04.10 17:43:00 - [66]
 

Interesting posts. There are two separate view points going on here and they both revolve around the same badly beaten bush - why do people play Eve. Some corps want to mine spinning rocks all day and chat with their mates. Other corps want to see red on their overview and hear the locking sound. If either leaves an IGA to do so, is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Game Mechanics Viewpoint:
Is that a good thing or a bad thing in game terms? I think it's a good thing. When players get to do what they enjoy, it's good for the game.

Societal Values Viewpoint:
Is that a good thing or a bad thing in societal terms? This is when you can get into a real quagmire. Running from an aggressor is generally viewed as cowardly, but avoiding war and perserving peace is I think universally accepted as a good thing. But then where would Eve be without conflict? The arguement is endless...

Where does CCP stand on all this? I don't think it matters. They provide the game mechanics. We players work within them.

Personally, I think IGAs only serve to complicate with little or no return on enjoyability. Just my thoughts as a player of Eve.

MuthaTrucka
Amarr
space-truckers
Posted - 2005.04.10 17:56:00 - [67]
 

Personally the Whole thing is about perception.
And I don't care. Much like the silly war system that allows you to redeclare war 24 hours after it is over. Bouncing around in and out of a IGA should be Fixed. In both circumstances a Timer should be in effect.Hell Add leaving a Corp too with a Timer.
a week is good for all three cases......
if you leave a IGA as a Corporation you should be unable to Join a IGa for a week and your Corp Standings towards said IGA Should be Defaulted to 0.0 for the week. It should be hardcoded.
If you leave a corporation for a noob corp with your standings towards said Corporation Hardcoded to 0.0 for the next week.
Now the war system is just silly and I have no constructive comments at this time.


Now my personal beliefs on corps that drop out of a IGA during a war, any war, is that they should be instantly put at 0.0 standings with the IGA lose any beifits that go with the IGA, and should revert to the status of Sub-contracter to the IGA. If they are that scared to be at War that sorry you don;t need to be a part of it, just fill buy order with whatever you produce. You are nothing more than a vendor, like the beer guy that brings kegs to the bar. yeah kinda important but I can always get another vendor.


The Ratfink
Minmatar
Konzil der Drei
Thukker Tribe Mercenaries
Posted - 2005.04.10 19:15:00 - [68]
 

There are weapons of mass boredom in xetic space the coalition will find them!

Lansfear
Gallente
Freelancing Corp
Confederation of Independent Corporations
Posted - 2005.04.10 19:55:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Larno
You mean so that your other corps dodge the war. Same effect, different action.


If a corp leaves the MC IGA it will be to pursue a war, not dodge one. This is slightly different than the norm, yes? Wink

CCP put us in this position. We are adapting. Until the game mechanic changes, this is how it is.


I have nothing against the MC or anyone in it.

But...

Didn't DDC recieve a crap ton of hate for doing exactly this: Leaving the IGA to declair war on local nusences?

Sorry just something that occured to me.

Lansfear
Gallente
Freelancing Corp
Confederation of Independent Corporations
Posted - 2005.04.10 19:58:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Lansfear on 10/04/2005 19:58:31
Originally by: Generatorn
wow this is amazing we are famous \o/


You are famous as being highly skilled and dedicated mercs.

<3

Merlinar
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2005.04.10 20:01:00 - [71]
 

Yay! Recognition

theRaptor
Caldari
Tactical Operations
Posted - 2005.04.10 20:11:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Artharas
Edited by: Artharas on 10/04/2005 16:03:51
Originally by: Latex Mistress
It's a PvP game you know. Doing everything possible in order to get away from it kinda defeats the purpose. I submit WoW as a better choice in that case.

This is the attitude I HATE from PvPers. I am mostly a PvPer, but what I find great about this game is not the PvP but the fact this game is whatever you like to do. this game is NOT a PvP game unless you like PvP(and when your corp/alliance is in dier[sp?] need)

Sometimes I find PvPers are WAY to arrogance to the "carebears" because the PvPers playstyle is *so much* more uber, fun and right then the "carebear" playstyle.


Unless you solo interact with NPC's (almost impossible) then you are playing a PVP game. Competing to buy/sell goods is player vs player, it just isnt sexy and lacks ships blowing up. Someone loses and someone wins. Its economic warfare.

Draximus Cane
Minmatar
Infestation.
The Church.
Posted - 2005.04.10 20:26:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: theRaptor
Originally by: Artharas
Edited by: Artharas on 10/04/2005 16:03:51
Originally by: Latex Mistress
It's a PvP game you know. Doing everything possible in order to get away from it kinda defeats the purpose. I submit WoW as a better choice in that case.

This is the attitude I HATE from PvPers. I am mostly a PvPer, but what I find great about this game is not the PvP but the fact this game is whatever you like to do. this game is NOT a PvP game unless you like PvP(and when your corp/alliance is in dier[sp?] need)

Sometimes I find PvPers are WAY to arrogance to the "carebears" because the PvPers playstyle is *so much* more uber, fun and right then the "carebear" playstyle.


Unless you solo interact with NPC's (almost impossible) then you are playing a PVP game. Competing to buy/sell goods is player vs player, it just isnt sexy and lacks ships blowing up. Someone loses and someone wins. Its economic warfare.



oh oh oh seeeeex, exactly, spot on, give that man a medal

this IS a pvp game, it just has multiple ways to achieve goals


Julien Derida
Gallente
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2005.04.10 20:30:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Lansfear

I have nothing against the MC or anyone in it.

But...

Didn't DDC recieve a crap ton of hate for doing exactly this: Leaving the IGA to declair war on local nusences?

Sorry just something that occured to me.


They may have done, but it wasn't us flinging the crap that time Wink.

Seleene
Minmatar
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.04.10 21:05:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Julien Derida
Originally by: Lansfear

I have nothing against the MC or anyone in it.

But...

Didn't DDC recieve a crap ton of hate for doing exactly this: Leaving the IGA to declair war on local nusences?

Sorry just something that occured to me.


They may have done, but it wasn't us flinging the crap that time Wink.


What Jules said. No, it wasn't us who said anything. I do remember it though and you know what? A poster earlier said it's all a matter of perception. I agree. If DDC left XETIC to do some "wet work", fine. For one thing, DDC didn't bail out on XETIC during the recent MC war with XETIC. In fact, along with CLS, they were out there fighting us quite a bit. At a minimum they have earned a dose of respect from me personally, and probably the MC as a whole.

Why is that important? Because a corp that pursues warfare in such a manner in defense of, or to promote the agenda of, its chosen organization (XETIC in this case) is entitled to a little slack in my eyes. Take that as you will, but it's just my personal opinion.

As for this thread, I think people are worrying about a lot of nothing to be honest. As of right now, I see no sign that anyone is going to be leaving the MC IGA any time soon.

Trooper B99
Caldari
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2005.04.10 21:25:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Seleene
As of right now, I see no sign that anyone is going to be leaving the MC IGA any time soon.


/me looks over empire, from the Yulai X DED station at all the clear bracket ships and sighs happily.

A new day, a new set hundreds of targets all waiting to turn red.

Soon™

Twisted Evil

Lansfear
Gallente
Freelancing Corp
Confederation of Independent Corporations
Posted - 2005.04.10 23:05:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Julien Derida
Originally by: Lansfear

I have nothing against the MC or anyone in it.

But...

Didn't DDC recieve a crap ton of hate for doing exactly this: Leaving the IGA to declair war on local nusences?

Sorry just something that occured to me.


They may have done, but it wasn't us flinging the crap that time Wink.


No no, i didnt mean to imply MC was flinging the crap. Sorry if it came out that way.

TBH I love the fact ya'll did this. Give it a feel of the Ravens Nest from Amored Core. Twisted Evil

Eleese
Caldari
Inglorious-Basterds
Posted - 2005.04.10 23:07:00 - [78]
 

I dont see the similarities between peeps leaving alliances to avoid wars and our situation. We want to be mercs which is a proffesion listed as one of the available profession when eve was released. We want to be mercs sometimes we need some extra bodies as 1 corp isnt big enough to effectively affect day to day running. Current war system without IGA would make our work nearly impossible to get contracts due to having to charge so much.

We have to make an IGA to do joint contracts other wise we couldnt furfill our profession due to latest war patch/fix/nerf (depending who you are). We dont really have any other options available... if we could work together on large contracts effectively we wouldnt have an iga as alot if not all of us dislike alliances the way they work and the internal politics that come from it.

As far as i can remember although mercs being listed a profession within eves promotion.. they have never introduced anything for mercs and i dont mean just us 4 corps there are other mercs out there and past merc corps.


Gronsak
Amarr
0utbreak
Outbreak.
Posted - 2005.04.10 23:46:00 - [79]
 

where´s my sig?!?! Neutral

Lo3d3R
Caldari
Mos Eisley Social Club
INFINITY.
Posted - 2005.04.11 00:32:00 - [80]
 

merc coalition ftw, now those guys are fun to play with/against Smile

Leno
Caldari
Turbulent
Anarchy Empire
Posted - 2005.04.11 04:18:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Latex Mistress
Originally by: Leno
So therfore why can't they leave and rejoin the alliance.

For the same reason why pilots can't leave a war dec'd corp for an NPC corp and rejoin after the war is over? Maybe because it removes the need for skills, good fittings, good tactics, and good piloting, replacing it with "hey, let's just hide here until they get bored and leave"? Maybe because it's a PvP game, and doing everything you can in order to avoid it is lame? Might as well just delete your character for as much fun as that would be.

Yeah, brilliant tactic there.
I'm betting on Josh Calvert! er... Confused


hehe, its ok i agree with you completely, just pointing out how they thought it was ok when they did it, but not for you.

Kuolematon
Caldari
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Monocle Overlords
Posted - 2005.04.11 05:33:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Kuolematon on 11/04/2005 15:51:34

Riddari
Gallente
VIT
Posted - 2005.04.11 08:44:00 - [83]
 

To clarify why many feel that the MC are being somewhat hypocritical:

Originally by: Seleene
In short, we have done this because we are determined to make our profession work. We will continue to adapt to the game mechanics and use whatever means necessary to play our chosen role within the game.

In short, the industrial corporations left XETIC because they were determined to make their profession work. The game mechanics are flawed in allowing anyone to shoot anybody as long as they are in a player run corp. Wars should be limited to 0.4 and lower, it does not make sense that CONCORD would allow lawless space to exist as long as they got a 1m bribe a week. In 0.4 CONCORD's presence is not existent and so it makes more sense that war fees are paid and are sort of bribery.

The industrial corporations wanted to mine and produce, due to game mechanics they found it hard so they left. I see nothing different there between MC and those.

Both want to play the game their chosen way.

MC and Seleene are all out now trying to wedge a mercenary system into the game because it's their chosen playing style. There is a LOT of chosen playing styles out there currently that are seriously hampered by bad implementation and game mechanics, industrial being one of them.

If MC wish others to respect their chosen playing style, they should respect the playing style of others and not accuse them of being cowards because they don't want to play like MC thinks it should be played.

MC are very good at what they do but just like everyone else, they aren't above using game mechanics to achieve results that they feel they have the right to, and can not put themselves into the seat of a judge.

Why are CLS so vocal even if we were very active in the MC war? Because we care about ALL playing styles and see why many XETIC (and other alliances) left the IGA to try and make their playing style work.

All the "but they could have done A and B" from MC can be shrugged off because that's their suggestions from their point of view, which is clearly not the same as a lot of players have.

It's a multi-player game, not a multi-shooter.

Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
The Kadeshi
Posted - 2005.04.11 09:09:00 - [84]
 

Hello, have anyone seen a Badger around here somewhere?
It was filled to the brim with the latest version of the newly created wonder drug:
"STFU! ALL OF YOU! SIT BACK AND SEE WHAT THE FUTURE BRINGS!(tm)"
I was about to pass it out freely to all in this thread (4p ago)but now its gone.
Aint that typical.



Let this thing die now ok, it was clear why this happened
on page one, the rest is just stupid.

Regards,
LOWA

meowcat
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2005.04.11 09:13:00 - [85]
 

what a steaming sack of festering, rancid arse-leakage


Riddari
Gallente
VIT
Posted - 2005.04.11 09:15:00 - [86]
 

Impressive replies

Eyeshadow
Caldari
The xDEATHx Squadron
Posted - 2005.04.11 10:37:00 - [87]
 

oh riddari the temptation to flame you is so strong. You do really speak a lot of dribble

as for the alliance, whoopdydoo. It means nothing. Personally i would rather be out of it during downtime and only join it when we need to. PERSONALLY, that is what i would want (i hate alliances but its a necessary evil with the stupid war costs coming in tmrw)

this thread is about as pointless as the alliance chat channel we have. We have always communicated and worked together anyway, all the IGA does is allow us to keep war costs down and be more value for money to our clients

The whining is amazing ugh

Seleene
Minmatar
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.04.11 11:14:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: Seleene on 11/04/2005 11:23:13

EDITED - Jules excellent post below completely owns mine. Very Happy

Julien Derida
Gallente
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2005.04.11 11:20:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Riddari
The industrial corporations wanted to mine and produce, due to game mechanics they found it hard so they left. I see nothing different there between MC and those.



You have pointed out the difference yourself Riddari.

The industrial corporations found it hard to continue their operations, but there was nothing stopping them from continuing. They could have taken measures to minimise the impact of the war i.e. escorts, using out of the way systems etc...

On the other hand, game mechanics directly prevent each member of the MC from pursuing an individual contract without leaving the IGA. It is impossible to declare more than 3 wars at once, so we are essentially left with no choice.

There is a clear difference. The industrial corporation leaves the IGA out of convenience, because they find the reduction in efficiency that adapting to war would bring unacceptable. The merc corp leaves its IGA because it has no alternative.

If you think that I take this view because I just want more things to shoot, you are dead wrong. I take this view because I want Eve to work in a logical way. I want corportations to act in a way that is consistent with the virtual world. Adapting your operations to cope with a war is believable, pushing a single button to make the war go away is not.

Riddari
Gallente
VIT
Posted - 2005.04.11 11:30:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Julien Derida
It is impossible to declare more than 3 wars at once, so we are essentially left with no choice.

No choice? 3 contracts not enough? What sort of employer would be satisfied with you diverting your resources when you are to be solely contracted for his benefit?

YOU CREATED THE IG-ALLIANCE TO LOWER YOUR COSTS

OTHERS LEFT ALLIANCES TO LOWER THEIR COSTS

Difference?
None


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