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Uggs386
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.05.19 04:33:00 - [91]
 

Why does any of this matter any real pvper will tell you that they could care less of their kill/loss ratio, they just do it for fun. I wont lie i post on eve-kills but that is somewhat to satisfy the corp and a way for myself to keep track of what i kill, not that i care too much, as long as I have a ship to fight in and targets to shoot at im happy. Imo there arent to many real pvpers out there, I think one of the greatest true pvpers was Zarquon Beeblebrox, someone who didnt pund on their chest, even posted videos of getting podded. And always fought no matter the odds, didnt know zarquon in game or personally, never even fought but just from what ive seen seems like you cant have a better attitude.

Arimas Talasko
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2005.05.19 05:42:00 - [92]
 

Whatever I think DNA is probably one of those most effective corps all things considered since not only do they have stellar kill to death ratio but also fight against insane odds and have the balls to use insanely expensive setups against said stiff odds.

Ramorik
Star Kingdom of Manticore
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
Posted - 2005.05.19 08:32:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Lorth
Judging a corp by thier kills vs losses, can only be accurate to a certain degree.

There so much that the kill mails can never tell you. Was it a gank, or was it a fair fight. If you look at a kill mail, it might look like a 10vs1, but in reality it could have been 15vs10. Its to hard to judge.

Then there other things which you will never know about. Some corps, and I know a lot of examples, will not ever fight uneven odds. Or they rely heavily on the mechanics to ensure that they don't die. You do see a lot of 'pvp'rs' with full racks of stabs. Sure they have an uber kill to death ratio, you would have to frankly suck if you didn't. I know for a fact I could run around in a stabed out raven and easily put up numbers like 75:1.

Frankly the only way you will ever know how effective or good a corp or group is, is to actually fight them. Kill boards and such mean nothing if they are running around with satbs and ewar, any nub could put up awsome numbers with a set up like that.


Yea thats a problems of all statistics. And big problem-some people like me never send killmails to killboard. So some pvper looklike better, thay are killed, but nobody will see it on site. I prefer good fight 1 to 1, 1 to 2 sometimes 1 to 9 {me usually alone}. Kill in that fight is much more honorable and valuable than kiling 1 man by big gang. And die in this fight is more honorble too. Be killed by big band near gate, it is stupid. No art of war, only big firepower nothing more. It say you nothing about pilots qualities.

Mishima
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
Posted - 2005.05.19 09:34:00 - [94]
 

I don't snipe and wcs, why the hell not? What the hell am I gonna do on my armageddon if a vigil decides to kill me? Nothing that's what. Unlike you I don't have 30 tacklers with me.


Imperium were so gay alliance PvP is boring, Imperium alliance channel: "there are two guys in PF-346 let's waste the next two hours forming a 30 BS gang and then gang-warp insta to the gate and kill them"


And then later in empire war warmongers went alone to yulai, ofc ATUK ring their RED ALERT bell and decide to get their whole gang to kill a cruiser or frig together to get some kills, I for one went on my malediction and ATUK never faught me 1v1, I tried forever.

The thing is you noobs can't say crap. Warmongers are the best PvP'ers I've seen yeah yeah let's make a list of their losses and not their kills. Where is the mail where i kill the T2 Armageddon from DDC in my Malediction? Wink

For every time I die [eve-kills figures] I kill more than 3ships, yeh does't look very cool compared to the gankers, but how many solo pilots can say the same?

BTW: Nafri, dont be an ass, we dont have to pretend we're civil people on forums. You're the one pasting the mails to prove a lost point.

Lifewire
TunDraGon
Posted - 2005.05.19 11:00:00 - [95]
 

Edited by: Lifewire on 19/05/2005 11:00:35
Quote:
Imo there arent to many real pvpers out there, I think one of the greatest true pvpers was Zarquon Beeblebrox, someone who didnt pund on their chest, even posted videos of getting podded.


Word - if fearless pvp, fairplay and pure gaming fun count then this guy rented it. I donīt know if people know, but Zarquon got my respect when he attacked Xpohocs and my BS in a Caracal. He was a 3 week old n00b at this point. I repeat: HE ATTACKED!!! So he is in one of the few corps that we did nap. Better have this guy in your gang...nothing more to say about it.

Nafri
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.05.19 14:05:00 - [96]
 

Edited by: Nafri on 19/05/2005 14:08:19
Well Mishima, there is a difference between the bragging about beeing effective and the reality shown by lots of death your and your corp suffered.

And no, my point "Warmongers are doing good PvP, but are hardly effective" still stands.

I fear you have/had problems to calmly read a post with killmails in it, and tbh. I respected you and your corp, you did what you want and you did it the way you like, but I had to laugh when I read

"Warmongers are one of the most effective corp in PvP, especially isk wise"

Not only because of the kills we got on you, no also because of the kills MC and Xetic got on you and I saw with my own eyes (or the eyes of my might loot stealing alt).

Show me how you earned about 10 - 20 billion ins the last 3 month, and I will admit "Warmongers suffered lots of looses, but also looted lots of goodies". Till you cant back it up, Janes bragging and your flaming are standing lonly in this forums. And looks like I pointed in a open wound, soz

If you like fighting solo (I prefer to go out in groups of 3 people) you should maybe go to empire, I had fun times there alone, and lots of kills. Too bad you cant buy much with mining laser IIs Crying or Very sad.

Have a nice day

Cmdr Patrick
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.05.19 15:25:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Mishima
I don't snipe and wcs, why the hell not? What the hell am I gonna do on my armageddon if a vigil decides to kill me? Nothing that's what. Unlike you I don't have 30 tacklers with me.


Imperium were so gay alliance PvP is boring, Imperium alliance channel: "there are two guys in PF-346 let's waste the next two hours forming a 30 BS gang and then gang-warp insta to the gate and kill them"


And then later in empire war warmongers went alone to yulai, ofc ATUK ring their RED ALERT bell and decide to get their whole gang to kill a cruiser or frig together to get some kills, I for one went on my malediction and ATUK never faught me 1v1, I tried forever.

The thing is you noobs can't say crap. Warmongers are the best PvP'ers I've seen yeah yeah let's make a list of their losses and not their kills. Where is the mail where i kill the T2 Armageddon from DDC in my Malediction? Wink

For every time I die [eve-kills figures] I kill more than 3ships, yeh does't look very cool compared to the gankers, but how many solo pilots can say the same?

BTW: Nafri, dont be an ass, we dont have to pretend we're civil people on forums. You're the one pasting the mails to prove a lost point.

I think your in game title sums you up tbh.

Rasta Rocketman
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.05.19 15:46:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Lifewire
Edited by: Lifewire on 19/05/2005 11:00:35
Quote:
Imo there arent to many real pvpers out there, I think one of the greatest true pvpers was Zarquon Beeblebrox, someone who didnt pund on their chest, even posted videos of getting podded.


Word - if fearless pvp, fairplay and pure gaming fun count then this guy rented it. I donīt know if people know, but Zarquon got my respect when he attacked Xpohocs and my BS in a Caracal. He was a 3 week old n00b at this point. I repeat: HE ATTACKED!!! So he is in one of the few corps that we did nap. Better have this guy in your gang...nothing more to say about it.


Agreed. Not many true PvPers left ingame as I see it. I see 99% blobbing and numbers, not much else. There are still a few left though.

Faetalis CEO
Posted - 2005.05.20 22:46:00 - [99]
 

Edited by: Faetalis CEO on 20/05/2005 22:47:48
Originally by: Lifewire
Edited by: Lifewire on 19/05/2005 11:00:35
Quote:
Imo .. podded.


..I donīt know if people know, but Zarquon got my respect when he attacked Xpohocs and my BS in a Caracal. He was a 3 week old n00b at this point. I repeat: HE ATTACKED!!! ...


this shows the line between sanity and insanity is quite thin.

respect to zarquon, the rest u go to bed Smile

Shin Ra
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2005.05.21 02:28:00 - [100]
 

Engaging someone outnumbered doesnt necessarily mean you are good at pvp, not do have 20 mil in gunnery. The only way to judge a good pvper is to fly with one for a long period of time. This is probably why thinks their corp are the dawgs. You can criticize everyone else all you want, but until you fight on the same side as them, you will never really know how good they are. Case in point: me

Hyey
Posted - 2005.05.21 05:54:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Shin Ra
Engaging someone outnumbered doesnt necessarily mean you are good at pvp, not do have 20 mil in gunnery. The only way to judge a good pvper is to fly with one for a long period of time. This is probably why thinks their corp are the dawgs. You can criticize everyone else all you want, but until you fight on the same side as them, you will never really know how good they are. Case in point: me


... OMFG I agree with you.

Im supposed to hate you Wink stop making sense

Uggs386
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.05.21 06:41:00 - [102]
 

Shinra I see your point but i just think the attitud eof the pilot has more to do with it than the numbers. numbers mean nothing to me, I could care less, but if i see someone whow arps into the middle of 5+ enemies and comes out on top or even if they dont come out on top but they atleast make the enemy think before engaging next time, I respect that more than anything.

Shin Ra
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2005.05.21 06:57:00 - [103]
 

Fair enough Uggs, but a respected player is not necessarily a good pvper. You need to watch you don't mix up the two.

Mishima
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
Posted - 2005.05.21 10:27:00 - [104]
 

Actually we do pretty good isk wise and I'm sure TD do so too. We make all our isk through PvP exept Ristavel maybe from time to time, then ofcourse he's "rich" ;P

I am not unsatisfied with 0.0 fighting nor my outnumbered battles, I like proving to you and myself that I can win outnumbered and "outshipped" fights, like fighting ceptors in my kestrel(crazy neverending fad) fighting like that is rewarding, It's rewarding to face an actual challenge and win. (why would 2bs's ganking another be a channenge?)

*meow*

BTW: Did someone say warmongers were most effective pvp corp?
I vote for CHON ;]

Nafri
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.05.21 13:09:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Mishima
Actually we do pretty good isk wise and I'm sure TD do so too. We make all our isk through PvP exept Ristavel maybe from time to time, then ofcourse he's "rich" ;P

I am not unsatisfied with 0.0 fighting nor my outnumbered battles, I like proving to you and myself that I can win outnumbered and "outshipped" fights, like fighting ceptors in my kestrel(crazy neverending fad) fighting like that is rewarding, It's rewarding to face an actual challenge and win. (why would 2bs's ganking another be a channenge?)

*meow*

BTW: Did someone say warmongers were most effective pvp corp?
I vote for CHON ;]



Quote:
Originally by: ZandramusEdited by: Zandramus on 05/04/2005 15:21:56

Quote:isk-wise, probably warmongers.



looking at the killboard your corp has lost 50 ships in the last 5 days and your total loss points 24000 amount to 1/3 your total kill points 75000

ROFL

I think they wanted kill/loss not loss/kill

Zandramus



You're actually that stupid huh.
I said Isk-Wise.
We lose 3 kestrels, BoB/IMP/Tundragon&friends blob loses 2 inty's.
That's 600k isk vs 26m isk.

Stuuuupid.



here, Jane did


please read the thread before you post nexttime...

kessah
Blood Blind
Posted - 2005.05.22 02:39:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: kwoodward
most geniunie pvp corps will have a low(ish) eg 2-1, 3-1 kill to death ratio if they have more they are either.
1 Lieing
2 ganking noobs
3 both.

all pure pvp corps that dont just gank 5 or 10 to one will take heavy losses time to time.
also only a few corps/members use evekills in reality.


Well in the last month ive been hunting (alone i might add so that takes me of your number 2) ive coped up about 100kills. and Honestly lost about 5 enyo's and i had 2 of them replaced due to node droppage.

So you can either call me a lier, or you can have everyone that killed me in the past month post a kill mail. Becus i dont post my deaths, simply becus i assume the guy thats killed me will.

I find players overconfidence in there in gang gives me a tactical advantage. Battleships dont lock in time, ravens\scorp missle take too to strike me and cruisers are too slow and do not posess the fire power to kill you in time.

People say im lame for fitting a wcs to my enyo all i can say is dont use a warp scrambler and i wont use a wcs, but u want me to stay there so u can kill me.... well i dont want that and vice versa neither do you. so why might i ask do "some" people get very argry for fitting them? Especially when i dont have back up!

Sorry went abit off topic then.. carry on

kessah
Blood Blind
Posted - 2005.05.22 02:45:00 - [107]
 

As for your question most "effective corp" id say tundragons and teddies, they took on a 30 strong battleship fleet today and killed off all there support and 5-10 battleships without loss.

when kr0m were about people literally ran from local or praised you. Again a very effective corp.

altho i dislike them BE and ASS are both corp that altho may only engage when number suit them make a im sure healthy kill to death ratio.

But after 2day definetly tdg and teddies.

Mishima
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
Posted - 2005.05.22 03:59:00 - [108]
 

holy hell, jane was right, losing a kestrel you get 30losspoints, killing a ceptor you gain 31killpoints, the statistics are rediculous and like i said before, if you kill a battleship in a nooby ship you get no extra points, nor do you lose points if you gank a bs with 100battleships

you noobs who lose their ceptors to my kestrels and bombermallers you know who you are and you know I am affective wether you deny it publicly or not

if I show up fighting a ceptor 3 times in a kestrel, die the 1st TWO times and then manage to kill it (taranis or whatever) that is actual EFFECTIVE PVP since the other guy loses 15-30mil but i lose less than 200k AND prolly make about 5-10mil in loot

however that same guy will have come out better on www.eve-kills.com because of the statistics of the kill-system.

so high-five all you want with your great teafective team-gank statistics. Will not say that warmongers are effective like TD are effective, insta-locking noob-frigs with stillettos and finishing them off with battleships that's effective, but nothing to high-five about no challange, no sign of pvp combat skills.

*meow*

Shin Ra
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2005.05.22 07:20:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: kessah
As for your question most "effective corp" id say tundragons and teddies, they took on a 30 strong battleship fleet today and killed off all there support and 5-10 battleships without loss.

when kr0m were about people literally ran from local or praised you. Again a very effective corp.

altho i dislike them BE and ASS are both corp that altho may only engage when number suit them make a im sure healthy kill to death ratio.

But after 2day definetly tdg and teddies.


Kesseh - how many of those were bs kills? Killing throw away ships and indys in a AF doesn't make you a good pvper. Having 1000 killmails doesn't either.

I can't believe you actually believe all the bs on the forums about us, but when numbers suit us is anything up to 10 times outnumbered. We have done 6vs60 and won.

I'd like to make it clear that I really don't like you or your corp.

See you in Syndicate.

Nafri
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.05.22 07:46:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: kessah
As for your question most "effective corp" id say tundragons and teddies, they took on a 30 strong battleship fleet today and killed off all there support and 5-10 battleships without loss.

when kr0m were about people literally ran from local or praised you. Again a very effective corp.

altho i dislike them BE and ASS are both corp that altho may only engage when number suit them make a im sure healthy kill to death ratio.

But after 2day definetly tdg and teddies.



well, you havent seen us ****ing up then Laughing

kessah
Blood Blind
Posted - 2005.05.22 11:11:00 - [111]
 

sure i will :) everybody does... flying with you guys this week :)

kessah
Blood Blind
Posted - 2005.05.22 11:19:00 - [112]
 

Edited by: kessah on 22/05/2005 11:24:09
mate i fought the same sized ships as me.... he said "most effective" anyways and my death to kill ratio. Where does he say Battleship kills? to be fair i find there alot more finess with frigate flying.

But thats not the point, the point was Death to kill ratio. i kill other AF's with 1v1's ive also gone outnumbered. im not guna say im good im lucky and seriously most of the time just wait.. wait for the other person to mess up.

Battleships are a different ball game. Very rare do you get a 1v1 and i find mainly it how many of you there are. Why does a battleship matter might i ask? there are always gank squads no1 ever plays "fair" or "honourable" they just wana win especially in battleship combat.

There are more key point to consider in frigate combat.

Now ive not said a single offensive word to anybody in my reply nor and i swore and gave any attitude, i now wait for some to be thrown back at me..... wont take long...


Also Shin ra i reallllllllllllly couldnt care less about you "liking" me your hardly one to boost a lovable character. im sure you have more of a hate base than me. altho mine is growing. Tho your taking my post wrong. Im not boosting i know that alot of my kills are ceptors etc but the Topic was "most effective" and "death to kill" so really i was pointing out to the gentleman that posted anyone with a larger than 3:1 ratio is a lier.

Dao 2
Thenta-Makur
Posted - 2005.05.22 19:14:00 - [113]
 

it is most def. me ;p

Sutter Kane
Caldari
Zombie Inc.
Posted - 2005.05.22 20:58:00 - [114]
 

Killboards...

Now why didnīt we think of that

Handon Guild
Toys R Us
Posted - 2005.05.24 07:41:00 - [115]
 

Edited by: Handon Guild on 24/05/2005 07:42:50
Mishima, aren't you the big hero, huh? Shocked

You are truly the chosen one, and you fight with honor and pride, yes you could actually take out all of our battleships in your Kestrel... Cut it out please, you are no better than anyone else, so please stop your pointless critisism, and keep it civilized.

And Jane, I recall you writing "PLS STOP, I'LL PAY" in local last week when you encountered one of our guys. If you have to be around us, then please have the guts to die with a bit of dignity, m'kay Wink

Now, let's end this discussion

Edit: And kessah, respect to your for being a nice guy even though you often loose ships on our account. Thanks for the kind words Smile

kessah
Blood Blind
Posted - 2005.05.24 15:43:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Handon Guild

Edit: And kessah, respect to your for being a nice guy even though you often loose ships on our account. Thanks for the kind words Smile




EmbarassedEmbarassedEmbarassed well i lost one enyo!! but that too much lol damn you Godwin !! Glad i died by the best tho. And you have a true Sportmanship attitude i died with a smile...Laughing

*kessah will hopfully join the great & imfamous Teddies\Tundragon alliance*


Hamatitio
Caldari
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2005.05.25 00:17:00 - [117]
 

I think K:D ratio, DIE. was in the top 5, if not the best.

Those who fought with/against us can probably agree with me.

Shin Ra
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2005.05.25 11:14:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Hamatitio
I think K:D ratio, DIE. was in the top 5, if not the best.

Those who fought with/against us can probably agree with me.


Na, Look at UA Industry and the other RA corps. Also SAS! DIE's kill ratio wasnt that amazing.

That being said they were deffinatly in the top 5 corps.

kessah
Blood Blind
Posted - 2005.05.25 11:26:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Hamatitio
I think K:D ratio, DIE. was in the top 5, if not the best.

Those who fought with/against us can probably agree with me.


Death Row, Nemesis and Kr0m rocked!! totally forgot yea think you could be right there.

Glad to have been apart of that at one point. Also i saw rift scorn log on yesturday ShockedShocked

Dao 2
Thenta-Makur
Posted - 2005.05.25 19:03:00 - [120]
 

yeah take my deaths outa ur scores ham ;p


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