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Crass Spektakel
Coreward Technologies
Posted - 2005.03.19 12:48:00 - [1]
 

Tash-Murkon has been a new home for me since half a year. I met great people, made good buisness and found it to be a really noble and comfortable region of space.

But unlike birthplace in Domain and the history of house Sarum I know very little about Tash-Murkon.

What I found out about the Tash-Murkon-Family:

His lordship Catiz Tash-Murkon is very wealthy but not a true amarrian. I was unable to find the reason for his wealth. But obviously they aren't owners of one of the big amarr industrial corporations like Viziam or Carthum nor have I found any real industrial branch of their house.

Also I find little records about military capabilities and enemies besides slight grudges because of their open display of wealth.

Can you enlight me about my new home?

Matt Ivresse
Gallente
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.03.19 13:12:00 - [2]
 

Well for a start, Catiz Tash-Murkon is a 'she', not a 'he'.

Second, the Tash-Murkon's are not True Amarrian, they are Udorian, another of the races that were 'indoctrinated' into Amarrian society. They obtained the heirship of the Empire when the Khanid Family seperated themselves from the Empire and formed the Khanid Kingdom.

The Tash-Murkons are more business orientated than religiously orientated. It's probably the reason they kicked up a storm when the emperor took their cathedral from them. However, their business orientation is what made them so wealthy that they were able to buy the position of being on of the five heir families.

That's as much as I know. Perhaps an Amarr would be able to provide more information. Though I think if you asked someone from CVA like Gauis Kador, he'd probably start shouting 'They're Udorian scum! They should be crucified and burnt at the cross!!'...


Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2005.03.19 13:27:00 - [3]
 

A good summary apart from:

Originally by: Matt Ivresse
...they are Udorian, another of the races that were 'indoctrinated' into Amarrian society.


I think the terms are 'enlightened' and 'uplifted' - indoctrinated is so crass...

Originally by: Matt Ivresse
...Though I think if you asked someone from CVA like Gauis Kador, he'd probably start shouting 'They're Udorian scum! They should be crucified and burnt at the cross!!'...


The Udorians are a valuable and contributing part of Amarr society. The CVA has no problems with the Udorians in the same way we have no problems with the Ni-kunni...

Maybe after a few centuries in our service and under our guidance the Minmatar will have become sufficiently enlightened as to play a similar valuable role in the Amarr Empire.

Who knows in a millenia or so we could even see a Minmatar CEO of PIE Inc.

Wouldn't that be amazing!

Wink

Ardor
Bruderschaft des Wahrhaftigen
A.R.K.
Posted - 2005.03.19 16:51:00 - [4]
 

I have to agree with Hardin. Matt Ivresse made a good summery. The ideas of Hardin about integration are similar to mine. We are talking about a timeframe of at least 1000 years and I highly doubt 1000 years will be enough on the case of the Minmatar.

We Amarrians are really a friendly race. We welcome and encourage everyone to become a part of the best society you can dream of. During all this celebrations about unity under God some of us confuse unity with equality, though. Sometimes even the most noble Amarrian forgets that we Amarrians have the duty to fulfill the will of God. We Amarr are Gods chosen people. Some Amarrians want to escape this great burden and give them to others.

Nothing is wrong with an Udorian/Ni-Kunni or even a Minmatar in future having a high position in a private corporation. Many Amarrians fail to do the will of God and I know many Ni-Kunni who are much better suited for such positions than those weak Amarrians mentioned before.

On the other hand each Amarrian with a sense of ancestry knows that no perfect non-amarrian can ever come close to a perfect true amarrian because of our holy flesh and blood. That's the reason why Heirs and Emperors are not allowed to continue to reign once they were cloned. They loose their holy flesh. Of course an Udorian doesnt have this holy flesh by default simply because they are not true Amarrians. We Amarrians have a great sense of ancestry because of a good reason.

The issue that the Tash-Murkon family bought their rank with money doesnt speak for them (and those who support it), too. This is a different topic, though.

Graelyn
Amarr
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2005.03.20 08:02:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Graelyn on 20/03/2005 08:03:09
I should think that this distiction of blood would not carry the weight you suppose.

With an Udorian Hier house, truly an Udorian could and most likely WILL one day ascend to the Throne of Amarr.

Would you think his flesh unholy or unworthy then?

An Amarr is one who takes the word of God unto thier hearts and gives thier mortal life for His Empire.

Ardor
Bruderschaft des Wahrhaftigen
A.R.K.
Posted - 2005.03.20 11:29:00 - [6]
 

"True Amarrians - those directly descendant from the Amarrian ethnic group before it conquered its home planet and intermingled with other people - are proud and supercilious, with a great sense of tradition and ancestry.

"The Emperor?s position has always had a divine aura surrounding it and this led the Amarrians to belief that the flesh of the Emperor and other members of the royal families was sacred. This fact forbids the sacred flesh to be cloned, as the Amarrians consider this to make it impure."

"They [Tash-Murkon family] are very wealthy, having a vast financial empire, but they will always be frowned upon by the traditionalists because they are not 'pure' Amarrians, but Udorians (a continent on Amarr Prime). The social and physical difference between the two disappeared ages ago, but the traditionalists remember."

"The Tash-Murkons are also outsiders because they are of Udorian ancestry, not true Amarrians. Yet through their vast wealth they have managed to buy themselves to the top."

"Uriam Kador, head of the Kador family, has intensified the ongoing debate surrounding Catiz Tash-Murkon's acquisition of the Tal-Romon Cathedral on Eclipti****by questioning the heir status of the Tash-Murkon family. The Tash-Murkons replaced the Khanid family when the latter broke from the Empire following Heideran's election as emperor. The nomination came as a surprise to most, not the least because the Tash-Murkons were Udorians, and thus not of pure Amarrian ancestry. Heideran ruffled a few feathers with his decision and now that he is gone the Kador family seems eager to pick at these old wounds. Five hundred years may have passed, but Amarr Holders have long memories. It seems that Uriam, already at odds with Articio Kor-Azor, is merely using Catiz's plans for the Tal-Romon Cathedral as an excuse to continue a feud that started 500 years ago. At that time many feared the empire was breaking up following Khanid's departure. The same fear seems to be welling up again - but only time can tell if it's justified."

Originally by: Graelyn
With an Udorian Hier house, truly an Udorian could and most likely WILL one day ascend to the Throne of Amarr.

Would you think his flesh unholy or unworthy then?



Like Uriam Kador I am "questioning the heir status of the Tash-Murkon family". Like Jamyl Sarum I am a "Firm believer in the moral and evolutionary superiority of the Amarrians."

This doesnt mean that other races, once they are enlightened, cant have high positions in amarrian society. But those who vote for giving an Udorian a chance to become next Emperor are the same who will sell the same status to a wealthy Minmatar, Caldari, Gallente in future. Those who support the Tash-Murkon family support a corrupt leadership where money reigns. True Caldari...

Astarte Nosferatu
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2005.03.20 15:20:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Astarte Nosferatu on 21/03/2005 12:07:01
Some Ammatar are already enlightened and ready for both political and economical power in the Amarr Empire or corporations loyal and supportive to the Amarrian race.

Ubiqua Seraph, loyal to House Sarum, already has a High Council member that is Ammatar. Now guess who that would be...? Wink


Ardor
Bruderschaft des Wahrhaftigen
A.R.K.
Posted - 2005.03.20 16:56:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Some Ammatar are already enlightened and ready for both political and economical power in the Amarr Empire or corporations loyal and supportive to the Amarrian race.


I dont believe in enlightened Nefantar. There might be a few Nefantar with good intentions, though.

Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Ubique Seraph, loyal to House Sarum, already has a High Council member that is Ammatar. Now guess who that would be...? Wink


"This hint of democracy has outraged various Amarrian fundamentalists, amongst them Jamyl Sarum, whose spokesman denounces this method of selection as "Heretical and fit for ants and vermin but not pure blooded Ammarians". "

"The arrest is said to come after the journalist interrupted a scripted press event with questions regarding a debated decision by the Amarr Imperial Succession Committee of allowing pilots of other races than Amarr to assist the "pure blooded" Amarrian champions in their upcoming combat duels.
While at first ignoring the reporter, Ardishapur finally answered that the house of Ardishapur had no intention of letting "undeserving savage creatures" represent the house in such monumental decision making."

Now guess who this ants and vermins/undeserving savage creatures are...?



Although Ubiqua Seraph in many ways has same ideals as me I do not respect Ubiqua Seraph as an amarrian corporation. I do not respect Ubiqua Seraph as a corporation that could represent house Sarum because of inferior beings like you among their ranks. I have a lot of respect for some of their members but this respect disappears because they accept people like you.

You cant write the name of your own corporation and want to be ready for both political and economical power in the Amarr Empire? You are a wanted criminal with a positive Minmatar standing. Ubiqua Seraph should be ashamed to have you in their ranks.

Darth Revanant
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
Posted - 2005.03.20 22:28:00 - [9]
 

And you should learn when to hold your tongue. For someone who speaks so highly, I have yet to see much action from you. I normally respect your words and consider you to be a highly enlightened amarrian. But you presume you know better than everyone else. You should know the true meaning of the Reclaiming. You claim to, but yet you chose to blind yourself to what that truly means. I don't intend to debate you on this as I cannot weild words as well as I weild weapons. But be careful how you speak to Seraphs and I hope you'll one day back up your ideals with action.

For God, Empire, and Sarum!

Ardor
Bruderschaft des Wahrhaftigen
A.R.K.
Posted - 2005.03.21 00:19:00 - [10]
 

My task is not to please other Amarrians. My task is to please God. I know my point of view often isnt very popular but nobody will stop me doing this as long as I believe to act in a way pleasing to God.

I am always open to arguments. I dont claim to be perfect. But you will have a hard time to convince me that house Sarum would welcome a wanted criminal Minmatar with a positive Minmatar standing. If Ubiqua Seraph is accepting such an individual not only into their ranks but also into their High Council then this is up to you. My standards are higher. Your corporation doesnt fulfill my personal standards to be recognized as an amarrian corporation. My advice to you is to bring your Minnies to your slave farms. Thats the place where they belong to. At least for the next 2000 years. You can ignore my opinion and advice if you want to.

Dau Imperius
Amarr
Posted - 2005.03.21 05:25:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Dau Imperius on 21/03/2005 05:25:59
And you have to admit, for one of the god-blinded of my kind, Ardor knows what he is talking about at least.

I respect his talks of the religion I refuse to see as any importance, since they take a less Amarr-view and a more Khanid view.
Khanids are delved into it more then most families of the Empire who are into the political intrigues these days vying for power/status with each other.
When it comes to the history and doctrines of religion, I'd heed his words. They are as wise as most clergy and have the fact to back it up.
For everything else though, I personally believe he's stuck in the past. ugh

(edit)
But don't take my word for it. I'm the most non-conformist pro-Imperial Amarr in our galaxy.


 

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