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EveJunkie
Posted - 2005.03.11 02:36:00 - [211]
 

Edited by: EveJunkie on 11/03/2005 03:38:30
ROFL Herko Kerghans nice one! :D

Edit: And yes I totally agree the Eve storyline is fantastic and is what got me excited with eve in the first place. I remember spending days downloading all the stories with my 28k line so I could read them offline and wait for my beta activation, gave me butterflies reading that stuff. I still avidly read the new stories and wish they had some sort of impact on the game I play every day. Eve needs to be given a bit of a shake up, its too static. We've got lots of "toys" and "stuff" but nothing to do with them when you've got them.
I'd happly wipe out all my assets, delete all my chars and start again if it ment I could get the opertunity to be involved in the game beyond the current make isk, shoot npcs, try to find players to shoot that dont log.

Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2005.03.11 03:17:00 - [212]
 

I love this guy. (and not in a manly way) Shocked

Kaylona Tso
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.03.11 08:25:00 - [213]
 

Edited by: Kaylona Tso on 11/03/2005 08:26:09
This thread has been covered and covered and covered in many many many other threads. Its just they are so burried into other forums that without a seach you would never see them. Most people that had these ideas long ago are gone, because the dream never was realized. Not to break anyones cake but this isn't the first nor the last thread on how CCP should make content.

To be honest I think their work is cut out for them and if they don't get something in soon players will quit. I might stay until the doors close or until I get married to someone not willing to put up with my EVE addiction... but not if something isn't done in the next year to make it dynamic.

bUBbLeS
Minmatar
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2005.03.11 09:46:00 - [214]
 

/me gets his abacus out

IC news stories since thread began (1 week) = 4 = 0.5 news /day

IC news stories in 2 months before this thread (9 weeks) = 6 = 0.09 news / day

thread impact on IC news = 555% increase in IC news

\o/

thats a start....


bUBbLeS
Minmatar
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2005.03.11 09:46:00 - [215]
 

Edited by: bUBbLeS on 11/03/2005 09:46:26
double cAKe



Herko Kerghans
Taleweaver
Posted - 2005.03.11 11:12:00 - [216]
 

Edited by: Herko Kerghans on 11/03/2005 11:14:49
Originally by: bUBbLeS

thread impact on IC news = 555% increase in IC news



/smells blood


YYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!




Orestes


ISD Interstellar Correspondents
Posted - 2005.03.11 11:16:00 - [217]
 

Originally by: bUBbLeS
/me gets his abacus out

IC news stories since thread began (1 week) = 4 = 0.5 news /day

IC news stories in 2 months before this thread (9 weeks) = 6 = 0.09 news / day

thread impact on IC news = 555% increase in IC news

\o/

thats a start....




A start, yes.

Not nearly good enough, though, for which you can blame me.

Ever thought about becoming a reporter, by the way?

Wink

bUBbLeS
Minmatar
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2005.03.11 11:23:00 - [218]
 

Edited by: bUBbLeS on 11/03/2005 11:27:06
Quote:

A start, yes.

Not nearly good enough, though, for which you can blame me.

Ever thought about becoming a reporter, by the way?




woo-yay i glad u R listening (me hugs hisslef with happyness)

as to reporting.... you want to see articles on the cAKes of the empires?

and i have applied to isd 3 times and got no response....(prolly summink to do with the ranting in my applications about cAKe-monsters, and the fact they were 47 pages of red crayon)

:P

Talland
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2005.03.11 11:24:00 - [219]
 

I've read all the pages of this long thread and would add my plea to those here :

1. Make the world live with some plot and content

2. Make dying hurt by tailing off insurance after you crash and burn your ships a lot

3. Introduce a mechanism whereby you can build in/hold/defend/benefit from being a static entity in a region of 0.0 because at the moment alliances are just roving pirate fodder. My preference would be to give a real scan probe advantage to systems claimed with a POS

4. Either make POS's more vulnerable or make a mechanism whereby you can actually kill the damn things, they should be tough but not impossible (and I dont just mean camping a supply route)

5. Reduce the benefits of empire, best stuff and highest risk out in 0.0 otherwise may as well play in empire

6. Throw a lot more spanners in the works, make market prices or demand fluctuate with storyline, mess people around, make this thing more difficult not less, emphasise racial differences, throw in some conflict, strife, injustice and make people have to work together to overcome it.

7. and please please please make it so you can actually do some damage to a corp when you comprehensively trash them, corp war has to be winnable, there has to be a loser, individuals have to feel pain in their wallets.

Jakk Graiseach
Trotters Interstellar Traders
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2005.03.11 11:25:00 - [220]
 

Edited by: Jakk Graiseach on 11/03/2005 11:25:54
Originally by: Orestes


Ever thought about becoming a reporter, by the way?

Wink


That's something I actually plan to do once my character is more 'mature'. I don't feel like I know enough about what's been going on in the game to date yet.

You'll see an app from me as soon as I feel ready. Cool

ollobrains
5th Front enterprises
Chain of Chaos
Posted - 2005.03.11 11:26:00 - [221]
 

Reporters ie reporting insystem news - whats that all about we get some stories every couple of days ?

Orestes


ISD Interstellar Correspondents
Posted - 2005.03.11 11:28:00 - [222]
 

Originally by: bUBbLeS

woo-yay i glad u R listening (me hugs hisslef with happyness)

as to reporting.... you want to see articles on the cAKes of the empires?

and i have applied to isd 3 times and got no response....

:P


You missed my news post on needing people, then Sad

Articles on cAKe would be good Very Happy

For all the bright, talented people in this thread, if you have something for us to write on, you can submit articles here, or e-mail us at News[at]eve-ic.com


bUBbLeS
Minmatar
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2005.03.11 11:40:00 - [223]
 

Edited by: bUBbLeS on 11/03/2005 11:41:50
Originally by: Orestes
Originally by: bUBbLeS

woo-yay i glad u R listening (me hugs hisslef with happyness)

as to reporting.... you want to see articles on the cAKes of the empires?

and i have applied to isd 3 times and got no response....

:P


You missed my news post on needing people, then Sad

Articles on cAKe would be good Very Happy

For all the bright, talented people in this thread, if you have something for us to write on, you can submit articles here, or e-mail us at News[at]eve-ic.com




Cool i glad ISD doing thier thang, but this still leaves the point of the BIG storylines

these news articles are window dressing, not the meat of the story

stuff like crielere and the amarr champs

(i really dont count the caldarii race cause that was nebs baby, or the gal elections, cause thats just agent bishing)

maybe a war? jove invasion? rougue drone ramages? EVENTS that we can get involved with

something that affects the WHOLE of eve, not just empire

i mean maybe thats in the pipeline, but all we the players see is dev balancing threads...

cAKe

Herko Kerghans
Taleweaver
Posted - 2005.03.11 11:48:00 - [224]
 

Edited by: Herko Kerghans on 11/03/2005 11:59:09


Originally by: Orestes


A start, yes.

Not nearly good enough, though, for which you can blame me.

Wink




Wow!!

Not only bleeding, they are bleeding A LOT!!

C'MON GUYS LETS GET THEM WHILE THEY ARE WEAK!!! ITS FRIGGIN' NOW OR NEVER!!!!




Originally by: Skaz
But in all seriousness, the fact that we aren't playing THAT game you describe, the storyline we all dream of....

is due to one or more of these things:



Now, you wouldn't be siding with the nerf side, wouldn't you, right Skaz? Not now that the flatline made a beep!!?!?!?????

I wouldn't like to have to LOLLOLOMFGPWND you along all those number-lovers...


Seriously now (well... almost, got a 50% nerf on Serious Talking Skill last patch), let me hammer it one more time:


Originally by: Skaz
CCP thinks/feels that they haven't "completed" enough of the game to proceed with those plans...


Well, I feel thats the whole point of this thread. What bubs was trying express (please correct me if I put words in your mouth bubs) is that maybe, perhaps, who knows, CCP efforts resources and creativity would be better spent on storytelling (aka content) rather than balance.

Yes, some balance is good. Yes, some balance is needed. And yes, new ships/modules are fun and exciting. But it's only a fraction of the total, some of us feel that fraction is absorbing way too much resources already.



Originally by: Skaz
they're burned out...


Again... exactly the point!

It's a proven fact that number crunching all day long will do that to you. Plus your back will hurt like hell.

You now, "All balance and no play makes TomB a dull boy"??. And some people over here are starting to get burned out too for exactly same reasons... Go figure...

Solutions for burned out CCP staff:
-"Back to roots" meetings once a week as described above,
-"Listen to what the players are saying other than NERFNERFNERF" meetings, twice a week,
-hide the nerfbat where the sun doesnt shine (for, say, a month)


Just for a few weeks. Nothing permanent. Until the brain juices get flowing again. After that back to nerfbat all you want.


Originally by: Skaz
they want to do these things but only see the problems involving them...



/toying around with a WoW box


They should be much, much more worried about an EXODUS... [<<This newsitem has a hint. And a bad pun.]


Originally by: Skaz
They're understaffed...



As EVE has perhaps taught many of us... more people not exactly equal to creativity, adrenaline, and brains. Usually equal to less *******. /thinks Alliance such and such...

Perhaps, who knows, maybe you dont need to hire more people if

-you BALANCE your resource allocation strategy.
---Balance team gets nerfed by 50%
---Content team gets boosted 400%

-you use the huuuuge resource called "Forums", not just the "Nerf Crew" rants
---read the 10 previous pages of this threads.
---read other post about the "content" subject.

-you cram into that thick head of yours IT'S THE STORY, STUPID!!!

People dont want live actors 23/7 on every god forsaken system (I do, but i was raised in a lab tube and didn't have enough parental love and care)

I heard old-timers telling stories about cryelere... people went for gazillion jumps just to see a floating station, right? Why? Because there was a STORY behind it!! How many programming hours did it take to set the thing there? A day? A whole week, tops? And not a single actor, just some creative writing tons of people around here would not only do for free but KILL for the honor!




Herko Kerghans
Taleweaver
Posted - 2005.03.11 11:49:00 - [225]
 

Edited by: Herko Kerghans on 11/03/2005 11:55:41


Originally by: Skaz
It can be a number of reasons...I for one think that they aren't simply ready to do anything large scale yet, they've got so many unfinished features left to complete. Confused



You know, I'm a big, bad ass. Tough as nails, I am! I know it's obvious, just wanted to state it for the records. Catch me in a bad mood and I'll recycle your ship'n'pod to tritanium confetti in less than 60 seconds.

And today, since I AM in a baaad mood and you guys looked at me in a funny way, I'm gonna go to 0.0 space AND START SOME SERIOUS A$$ KICKING!! Heck, i'm so ****ed off i'll take down the whole Star Fraction, and as a bonus I'll wipe out those m0o guys i hear so much about!

HEAR ME YYYAAAAAARRRRR!!

Yes! Today! Well, hum, i mean, maybe not "today", but surely tomorrow! Sunday, tops!

You see, I just have to train this two skills... and buy a bigger ship, cant go 0.0 with THIS... yeah, this one is too small... and, well, you gotta understand it would be suicide to go against those tough players if i dont get some better guns and mods... damn, i will have to mine a bit more to purchase those... hum, well, and I obviously CANT go there with 0.00 isk in the bank, so perhaps i should mine/agent run even just a little bit more to have some spare cash in case things go wrong??... well, since i'm at it training this other skill may come useful too, and that module over there and rise my stats and that implant and...

But i will go!!! Swear!! Sure!!! Soon(tm)!!!

Wink

Nobody is saying "dont ever tweak a % again"... thats out of the question... tweaks are fine, tweaks are good, please TomB dont go we love you... what matters here is that tweaking should be a background activity and not the air and blood of the devs activities, at least until we get the story out of the coma it is right now (notice we = CCP + players)


Compare the results/effort ratio of, say,
-the incoming massive EW overhaul

versus, say,
-a well staged news coverage of "Increased Wormhole activitie" on New Eden (effort: two days of creative writing, plus a day or two of cross-checking with the background),
-plus every Faction Navy including the Jovians opening a station in the system (thats Five new stations on the system plus WormHole eye candy... i'm no programmer, but it is that hard? A week or two, maybe?),
-Of course the Jovian base is closed, nobody can dock and nobody nows what the heck is going on in there (another two hours of creative writting, say a whole afternoon 'cause i ran out of coffee)
-plus agent runners getting courier missions (cientifics, data sheets...) to/from said system (again i'm no programmer... two, three days plus a bit of content for the agents dialogs?)

and then lay back, go have a beer with Nerf, Bal & Ance if you have to for a week or two, and let the forums tell you what's going to happen there.


(Let me place my bet, though: A server crash... IN 0.0!!!!!!)


Wouldn't that be A-F#CKIN-WE-SOME??


Ah... the dreams...




Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2005.03.11 11:49:00 - [226]
 

Edited by: Rod Blaine on 11/03/2005 11:49:13
RP content and events ftw.

As long as it NOT about humpin your lvl 4 for lp or standing for once ok ? Figure somehting out that doesn't involve standing just for once plz. Because humpin that agent is getting more important by the day, and its sooo ****ing boring.

Herko: cpli your post into two parts, its too long

Selim
Akh'Vehlr Industries
Posted - 2005.03.11 11:51:00 - [227]
 

Originally by: bUBbLeS
Edited by: bUBbLeS on 10/03/2005 20:09:46
Originally by: Selim
CCP needs to hire Digital Communist, Jasmine, and Herko Kerghans.


/me sulks

/me puts selim on the "NO cAKe" list




And Bubbles Very Happy

bUBbLeS
Minmatar
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2005.03.11 12:31:00 - [228]
 

Originally by: Selim
Originally by: bUBbLeS
Edited by: bUBbLeS on 10/03/2005 20:09:46
Originally by: Selim
CCP needs to hire Digital Communist, Jasmine, and Herko Kerghans.


/me sulks

/me puts selim on the "NO cAKe" list




And Bubbles Very Happy


/me lubs selim again

Teela Belwynn
Yakuza Corp
THE R0NIN
Posted - 2005.03.11 12:44:00 - [229]
 

Originally by: Herko Kerghans
"A whisper of dreams".


*drools*

bUBbLeS
Minmatar
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2005.03.11 14:12:00 - [230]
 

Originally by: Herko Kerghans
"A whisper of dreams".


we can but dream

Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2005.03.11 15:11:00 - [231]
 

Edited by: Rod Blaine on 11/03/2005 16:55:19
btw, I'd volunteer to become a gallente/caldari (more chars then this one) navy storyline agent whatever squad leader stuff thing right away of Herko's idea would need it to be implemented.

Matter of fact, I bet you could count on the whole of our corporation to show up as volunteers for some of that action tbh. As long as we can join the fights ofc Wink

bUBbLeS
Minmatar
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2005.03.11 16:46:00 - [232]
 

i r volunteer to lead the republics elite cAKe special forces brigade against t3h ebil pi3


Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2005.03.11 18:55:00 - [233]
 


I just wrote war and peace on this thread and am all typed out. But please go and have a look, its a thread that is related to this one really about pvp and content my long post says a lot I wanted to say here. But it all followed on from the argument i used there.

Gah! ... too many threads with too much stuff to say :)

Caoimhe
Minmatar
Malevolent Intervention
Posted - 2005.03.11 21:20:00 - [234]
 

*whistles innocently*

bUBbLeS
Minmatar
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2005.03.11 23:42:00 - [235]
 

jasmine - i read yah post in the other thread...

and all i can say is - you go gurl

\o/ 4 jadmin


Bellac
Posted - 2005.03.12 00:35:00 - [236]
 

Lets keep it going - this has to be the way forward. I for one would be happy to loose all my assets to get this up and running. Just for the promise of regular action without the regular income problem.

This thread sums up exactly what this game SHOULD be. Not only that it sums up what this game CAN be. Not many games have this opportunity. Don't let it slip by and let this game be another could have been. That would be a real crime.

The game is already showing that the creativity of idividual players can do great things. This should not only be encouraged, but a ceartain ammount of development should be added from CCP to enable growth at a rate that is scary.

Lately i have been disalousioned by the giant nerf bat that has come down as soon as anyone has shown the sort of thinking out of the box that should, in my oppinion, be encoraged. If someone developes a ship that deal huge damage, the result should not be a nerf. The result should be hightened tension between factions. This may or may not lead to a war. Either way the end result should be player interaction, not the developers jumping in and doing away with players being able to create damage on a huge scale. Maybe a war against the amarr empire. If they loose then lasers get nerfed, if not then they stay as they are. Thats something i would fight for.

Either way round - i write this drunk on a friday night at about midnight - so i apologise for the sentiment and the speeling if it offends. The bottom line is that this realy needs to be done. Peeps are turning away from this game due to content. Content rules, not balance. IMHO Peeps will accept imbalance within a game that is full of content and options. If balance is everything, then it will be a problem.

Herko Kerghans
Taleweaver
Posted - 2005.03.12 07:31:00 - [237]
 

Edited by: Herko Kerghans on 12/03/2005 07:31:09
I was just going to write a well-thought follow up on this whole subject...

... but decided to play Human Resources Dept instead.

(Gotta try new things or your braincells will get stale)

Come join the dark side!

Jeebs
Blue Republic
Posted - 2005.03.12 11:06:00 - [238]
 

yeah... whats the point of balancing weapons anyways when you can't get a flippin fight? warp core stabs, fishbowl, logoff.

tracking here... nerfing here... time down the toliet if you ask me...

Skaz
Minmatar
Skazmanian Industries
Posted - 2005.03.12 18:45:00 - [239]
 

Edited by: Skaz on 12/03/2005 18:47:02


Herko....


As I'm sick with the horrible FLU Shocked I'm not really able to focus on the screen (might be the painkillers too) and understand your post, I mean I'm reading it but no context forms in my head (ok I'm stupidLaughing).

So I'm not sur what to make of your reply, except that my post was supposed to be in your support ;)

I'm want this game to become 75% content and rest fixing/nerfing/balance/whatevah...

P.s. have been attempting to play another mmorpg (no names mentioned Rolling Eyes) which is supposed to be "wow" Rolling Eyes...but is actually "Disconnect Online" ugh

That's a case where there's plenty of content but lousy backend...

CCP just need to get over their fear of the system, and release hell upon us, and say that we asked for it Twisted Evil

btw, I really seem to be easily misunderstanded on the forums Crying or Very sad...

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2005.03.12 19:23:00 - [240]
 

Doing their bit for balance could everyone stop joining the Stain Empire, jebus crispy with some cheese, everyone is with the SE these days! ugh


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