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Isis Whit
Posted - 2011.09.05 21:52:00 - [1]
 

I started playing EVE back in 2005.
While I am not much of a gamer, stories like the then-famous Nightfreeze scam and Istvaan's exploits got me interested, and in no time at all I was hooked.

EVE is my very first MMO, and it was a revelation.
I still remember my first ratting expedition to Providence which we mounted together with my girlfriend and our corpmate. I remember my first war (one of the most respected corpies turned out a mole). I remember mining for Jaspet with a Vexor in a 0.3 system (and eventually losing said Vexor). I remember being viciously ganked by TSDS while on a courier mission in 0.2 system. I remember killing my first two Goons (they were ratting in Indregulle, and were dispatched swiftly by my Thorax and my friend's Crapacal). I remember my very first Local Hull Conversion cargohold (it used to sell for 40 million - ZOMG!). I remember one of my first scams, which netted me a Draclira's PDS and Heatsink for 1000 ISK. I remember my very first visit to Jita (the hive of scum and villainy). I remember getting my first T2 BPO (an Enyo).

EVE was FUN. Not anymore.

The downfall was very gradual, and only now, after almost 6 years of playing, I realize I am simply not interested in logging in anymore. I would like to give a lot of credit to EVE's original concept and the original creative team. It is my understanding that few games survive for that long without a major screwup. However, it would be wrong to say that it is Incarna that killed EVE for me. Incarna is just the straw that broke the camel's back.

* CCP have seriously affected the overall balance by making the game Free-to-Play/Pay-to-Win with GTCs.
I remember once buying 50(!) GTCs from a certain member of BoB, and he was not alone. There always were (and are) people spending ridiculous amount of money on virtual items. In a competitive game with semi-realistic economics such ability to buy game currency seriously breaks immersion. It is a bit like bribing your Monopoly adversary.

* In order to stimulate the GTC-seller crowd, CCP worked to make EVE a "safer" place.
After all, why would I participate in GTC trade if my Navy Raven bought with real $$$ can be violenced by those griefers from Amarr?
High sec has never been as safe as it is now. CCP have methodically eliminated most contract system scams, except the really, really silly, obscure or inconsequential ones. It is really telling that Freeform contracts were eliminated immediately after someone made a bunch of them for non-existing PLEXes.

* The rebalancing from ~2006 until now have resulted in virtual death of solo piracy/nonconsensual PvP.
I understand that the vision of someone high up in CCP is epic space battles with hundreds of ships. However, the sandbox nature of EVE has been compromised when all the rebalancing was done solely with fleet warfare in mind. My exhibit A here are Gallente recons.

* With Incarna CCP demonstrated their full commitment to the "virtual goods"/MT model.
There is no real new content for subscribers. All the Incarna stuff (so far vanity only) costs extra. I guess I am too old to seriously consider paying $70 (or even $1) for a bunch of pixels.

* The new "shiny" graphics made EVE unplayable on lower-end hardware, and slower on fast machines.
At the same time, the gameplay has not improved. I want my Trinity client back. It worked fine for changing skills on my work laptop. The CQ is a disaster. Avatar controls suck, yet I need a supercomputer to load it. The client stutters intermittently on docking, undocking and sometimes warping.
I am not replacing my perfectly adequate computers just to run EVE.

My stuff, you can have. Convo in game if you catch me online, and make your case. I have about 200B iskies in assets to spread around.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.09.05 21:56:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Isis Whit


My stuff, you can have. Convo in game if you catch me online, and make your case. I have about 200B iskies in assets to spread around.



Give me that isk and I shall use it to cause pain and suffering.

Hiroshi Nagasaki
Posted - 2011.09.05 21:57:00 - [3]
 

Sad that u leave bro :)


but keep ur ISK, maybe u come back in 1-2 years? Who knows

Nagasaki Warrior
Posted - 2011.09.05 22:10:00 - [4]
 

Fly safe.

o/

Sha Dar
eXceed Inc.
Posted - 2011.09.05 22:17:00 - [5]
 

You're not alone in most of your thinking, but please, don't give away everything, just in case ::ccp:: pull their fingers out their ears and asses and actually rein in the stupidity and put some things right.

It's tempting to say **** it, hell, i've almost done so myself several times in the recent past, but leave yourself some isk or `stuff` as a decent way back in, just in case.

Fly safe o/

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.09.05 22:33:00 - [6]
 

Yeah mate, keep half your isk in case you decide to return

Send the other half to me, ill even call the titan "Whit of Isis" Twisted Evil

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.09.05 22:39:00 - [7]
 

Did AnzacPaul get booted from the united? Always liked your posts. Story to share?

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.09.05 22:49:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Isis Whit
I started playing EVE back in....I have about 200B iskies in assets to spread around.



So, um, what you're saying is you can't gank cash bought ships enough, you can't scam enough, can't engage noobs in non-consensual intercourse, and you have a buttload of isk.

Your isks, lemme have them. If I had 200b isk I'd own w-space. TIA.

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.09.05 22:53:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: AnzacPaul on 05/09/2011 22:54:02
Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Did AnzacPaul get booted from the united? Always liked your posts. Story to share?



Just for inactivity, I've had 1 kill since Incarnca hit.

Killboard Linky

As you can see from that, Up until Incarna I had 799 "real kills" in a little over 6 months.

Alot of people aren't phased by the whole nex store/incarna/lack of Fis etc, but it did me , it broke my "immersion", and left a bad taste. I've been spending my remaining time on AP (2 other accounts are unsubbed) ratting for sec status. I could think of nothing worse that wanting to come back in a few months cause things are looking up, and having -10.0 standing to look forward too :P

Parting with United was completely mutual, as per post below

[ 2011.09.05 07:12:57 ] Rook Sanderas > will do - and don't be shy about coming back anytime - seriously

Sorry to disappoint :(


Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.05 23:02:00 - [10]
 

Quote:
* The new "shiny" graphics made EVE unplayable on lower-end hardware, and slower on fast machines.


I fully respect your opinion that eve is no longer fun for you as a reason to leave. You worded it well and without insulting anyone. I just want to point out what I have quoted there...

Originally by: Smith
That's the sound of inevitability, Mr Anderson.



Umbra Incendia
Minmatar
Mostly they come out at night
Posted - 2011.09.05 23:14:00 - [11]
 

Being fairly new here I don't remember the good ol' days, but even in the time I have played there has been a general decline in the 'fun' elements of the game. That being said its still fun to go out and get explosioned every once in a while, but I hope CCP can recapture some of the magic that I'm told has gone from the game (as long as its not just rose-tinted nostalgia creeping its way in). I would like to be able to go out solo without the certain knowledge that firey boat violencing related death is headed my way.
Coming from other MMO's there is a tremendous sense of freedom in Eve that I haven't found elsewhere, but the general feeling I get is of an outstanding game which moved too fast for itself, releasing expansions where there should have been fixes and refinements.

Also gief isk etc blah blah stuff. I need it for continued research into explosioning.

Paragon Renegade
Posted - 2011.09.05 23:21:00 - [12]
 

I'm not even a veteran player, and I already disagree.
Originally by: Isis Whit
I started playing EVE back in 2005.
* CCP have seriously affected the overall balance by making the game Free-to-Play/Pay-to-Win with GTCs.
I remember once buying 50(!) GTCs from a certain member of BoB, and he was not alone. There always were (and are) people spending ridiculous amount of money on virtual items. In a competitive game with semi-realistic economics such ability to buy game currency seriously breaks immersion. It is a bit like bribing your Monopoly adversary.


Unless they are "botting", people have to play the game to make the money (:3) to make getting game time feasible. Sure it's pretty easy for veteran players to scrounge up the money, but really? Pay to win? Why should a purchase with money versus ISK make any difference at all?

Quote:
* In order to stimulate the GTC-seller crowd, CCP worked to make EVE a "safer" place.
After all, why would I participate in GTC trade if my Navy Raven bought with real $$$ can be violenced by those griefers from Amarr?
High sec has never been as safe as it is now. CCP have methodically eliminated most contract system scams, except the really, really silly, obscure or inconsequential ones. It is really telling that Freeform contracts were eliminated immediately after someone made a bunch of them for non-existing PLEXes.


So they get rid of the particularly obnoxious scams, and make the higher-sec areas more accessible to newer/less powerful players..............so? What ever happened to Nullsec or Lowsec? Those places are three times as abundant (At least) as High-sec areas, and it's almost impossible for newer players to go there without getting smashed immediately by bubbles or extensive gate camps. It really seems that you ignored a large portion of the playerbase in your small section here.

Quote:
* The rebalancing from ~2006 until now have resulted in virtual death of solo piracy/nonconsensual PvP.


I've not been here for a year, and this is BS, in the space of a month I've had 20 or so solo engagements with just a single person, most of which I failed miserably in. I'll not pretend to know more than you, but in my limited experience...........wut.

Quote:
I understand that the vision of someone high up in CCP is epic space battles with hundreds of ships. However, the sandbox nature of EVE has been compromised when all the rebalancing was done solely with fleet warfare in mind. My exhibit A here are Gallente recons.


Wait, so rewarding people who fleet together is bad? It's not that individuals are weaker or ignored, just that playing as a team (of sorts) is , and always should be, easier.

Quote:
* With Incarna CCP demonstrated their full commitment to the "virtual goods"/MT model.


The one, unfinished expansion to the other 15 or so content expansions really proves that.

Quote:
There is no real new content for subscribers. All the Incarna stuff (so far vanity only) costs extra. I guess I am too old to seriously consider paying $70 (or even $1) for a bunch of pixels.


I don't blame you, paying for trinkets is IMO lame.

Quote:
* The new "shiny" graphics made EVE unplayable on lower-end hardware, and slower on fast machines.
Any performance over roughly 24 FPS is superfluous.

Quote:
At the same time, the gameplay has not improved. I want my Trinity client back. It worked fine for changing skills on my work laptop. The CQ is a disaster. Avatar controls suck, yet I need a supercomputer to load it. The client stutters intermittently on docking, undocking and sometimes warping.
I am not replacing my perfectly adequate computers just to run EVE.


My computer, a Dell no less, is five years old & runs the game at a consistent 30-ish FPS without any slowdowns. CQ suffers the occasional slowdown, but I just disable it when it gets "messy" and even then it's not bad.

I feel in my limited experience this is an overreaction :3

Trixie Stardust
Posted - 2011.09.06 00:18:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 06/09/2011 00:17:51
Paragon..

You're new, you can't understand what the OP is talking about.. you weren't there in the old days, you don't know what it was like.

But.. if you're having fun with the game then that's all that matters. CCP really needs to do an emergency make-the-oldtimers-happy project pronto. Release a new ship, something.. do something to quell the raging on the forum. Cuz honestly it's not cool for the newbies like you, nobody is talking about the game on the forum we're all raging.

Victor BlueStone
Posted - 2011.09.06 01:14:00 - [14]
 

To the OP I understand even though I only go back to mid 06. I myself plan to stay on even with all these changes cause I see potential new
avenues for the game to change into. The problem is that for CCP to get back on track they will have to get SERIOUS in updating EVE the way
it needs to. Hyper smiley PR moves that I see from them do not make real progress. They also need to relearn what they have in the game because
they really have all the items in the game to make it truly great. Sometimes I think they just need to step back, breath and look at eve from
a fresh perspective. Then even with a plan we all have to wait at least 6 months for something to happen. Do you want to wait to see what path
CCP takes with EVE?

I myself don't think this nullsec update that CCP plans to roll out will work. I think it will be a disaster. CCP will create a structure for
pilots to live in null while still not understanding why people don't go there. They also need to understand that an update to null means that
the other two parts of the game (low and hi sec) need to be updated with it even if they don't understand why. But in the end CCP will do what
they want and they'll act like my boss who thinks he's never wrong. He just makes new plans! Razz

Living Dead Girl
Posted - 2011.09.06 01:23:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Isis Whit
great points



Crying or Very sad sad when another old timer leaves.


that being said, If you send some ISK my way, i'll be sure to fit up many many stealth bombers to harrass anyone i come across :)


who knows, i May actually KILL something! LaughingYARRRR!!

trexinatux
Posted - 2011.09.06 01:30:00 - [16]
 

No thanks, I already bought enough ISK. It's really cheap to buy it in bulk from the sale too. Money = Win button - Gotta love it!

Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
Posted - 2011.09.06 04:39:00 - [17]
 

OP, I'm also a 2005 player and I agree with just about every point you made (except freeform contracts - those were just a screw-up rightfully removed imo). I'm still hanging in there, for now. The change in the game was gradual as you say, but quite bad. If you look at what Eve was and what it is now, the contrast is stark. No more do we have the harsh universe that made the game compelling. That was always the whole point of playing, wasn't it? Little by little, it was made less and less harsh and as a result, less and less compelling. Less and less exciting. Less and less different. That's sad because it really was something special.

Funny you mention the Nightfreeze story. That was what got me into Eve in the first place. That was the universe I came to be a part of. Now it's gone. Sorry to hear you are leaving. Fly safe.

Trolls Troll
Posted - 2011.09.06 07:40:00 - [18]
 

CCP Fanboi says the game is fine ugh

Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.09.06 07:55:00 - [19]
 

+1 OP

I'd ask for you stuff, but I think I'd just end up giving it away when my sub ends in November.

Lord Wamphyri
Amarr
Starside Lost
Posted - 2011.09.06 08:31:00 - [20]
 

Never let it be said that I'm above asking for free ISKs..

It is sad to see so many people dissatisfied with the way EVE is heading, and ending their subs.

I wish I knew the answer, but I don't. Personally I like Incarna, even though we only have the one CQ at the moment, but I know it holds promise for better things. The NeX doesn't really affect me either; as of now I don't have the cash or ISKs to buy anything from it, so I ignore it, and will until the day I earn enough disposable ISK to spend on a new shirt. I even like the new forums!

I've been playing since the end of 2004 and have invested not just time and cash. My heart and soul is in this game - hell I'm even covered in EVE tattoos - I've made some amazing friends here, and EVE has seen me through some difficult stages of my life. It's been there when my last partner died, when I couldn't sleep, when I developed a serious illness, it's been the one constant in my life that I know I could always go back to, and rely on to cheer me up by taking me away from RL for a time (apart from downtimes and patch days.. Smile)

Maybe I'm naive, maybe I'm a glutton for punishment, maybe I'm a CCP fanboi, maybe I'm a weirdo who needs to get out more.. I don't know. I can only hope and put my faith in CCP knowing what they're doing, so that one day we can all look back and say "Well, it was rough at times, but it was worth it in the end".

Please CCP, don't let us down!

P.S not a CCP alt

Isis Whit
Posted - 2011.09.06 09:29:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Maxpie
OP, I'm also a 2005 player and I agree with just about every point you made (except freeform contracts - those were just a screw-up rightfully removed imo). I'm still hanging in there, for now. The change in the game was gradual as you say, but quite bad. If you look at what Eve was and what it is now, the contrast is stark. No more do we have the harsh universe that made the game compelling. That was always the whole point of playing, wasn't it? Little by little, it was made less and less harsh and as a result, less and less compelling. Less and less exciting. Less and less different. That's sad because it really was something special.

Funny you mention the Nightfreeze story. That was what got me into Eve in the first place. That was the universe I came to be a part of. Now it's gone. Sorry to hear you are leaving. Fly safe.


Ah, the good times!
I remember stumbling across the Nightfreeze story when it was linked on some random blog. It turned out to be a truly life-changing experience.

Just to clarify my position on Freeforms, I totally agree that they were screwed/badly broken from day one. What I was pointing at in the OP is that while Freeforms were in game for years, CCP removed them swiftly as soon as PLEX/GTC were affected in some way. I believe it is a good indicator of where the devs' priorities are.

Isis Whit
Posted - 2011.09.06 09:36:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: AnzacPaul
Yeah mate, keep half your isk in case you decide to return

Send the other half to me, ill even call the titan "Whit of Isis" Twisted Evil


Yep, I am keeping a good part of my assets, in foolish hope that CCP actually come to senses and change direction.

However, all the observations and experience from the last three years or so tell me just the opposite. I would not be surprised if two years from now we will have PvP "arenas" (or a similar feature). Eww.

Kirsi Kirjasto
Posted - 2011.09.09 04:16:00 - [23]
 

Yes, its pretty hard to fathom how bad things have gotten.

If CCP was publicly traded, I'd sell short. Pronto.


 

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