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Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.09.03 22:12:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: XIRUSPHERE
Originally by: Richard Hammond II
Originally by: XIRUSPHERE
The only real way large entities like GS and friends could get CCP to listen is if high sec was sieged to the point CCP's bread and butter started collectively abandoning ship due to threat of annihilation.


CCP is planning on doing that themselves by making highsec not a viable place to live economically


I really don't believe they would do a complete 180 and crap in the largest populations cornflakes like that when the scope of changes in eve have focused on making it easier and more palatable to the individuals who wish to spend most if not all of their time in the hamster wheel. High sec is CCP's bread and butter, most of the players in eve are fine with just dipping their toes into the water with most of the content and are fine with the life of risk aversion provided there.


That whole "no ice for you in highsec" and "we're gonna take all the best agents an put em in 0.0" and the other **** they lain out, when combined with the "watch what they do not what they say" argument seem to support them killing off highsec.

XIRUSPHERE
Gallente
Deadly Intent.
Posted - 2011.09.03 22:24:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Originally by: XIRUSPHERE
Originally by: Richard Hammond II
Originally by: XIRUSPHERE
The only real way large entities like GS and friends could get CCP to listen is if high sec was sieged to the point CCP's bread and butter started collectively abandoning ship due to threat of annihilation.


CCP is planning on doing that themselves by making highsec not a viable place to live economically


I really don't believe they would do a complete 180 and crap in the largest populations cornflakes like that when the scope of changes in eve have focused on making it easier and more palatable to the individuals who wish to spend most if not all of their time in the hamster wheel. High sec is CCP's bread and butter, most of the players in eve are fine with just dipping their toes into the water with most of the content and are fine with the life of risk aversion provided there.


That whole "no ice for you in highsec" and "we're gonna take all the best agents an put em in 0.0" and the other **** they lain out, when combined with the "watch what they do not what they say" argument seem to support them killing off highsec.



The botlords will ensure there is still plenty of ice to go around, it's going to notch up the factor of POS being an ISK sink a bit but it's not end game.

I thought the best agents were already in 0.0? Regardless how much will it truly affect the grind when it's always been about speed and quantity of missions.

Imo it's going to hurt highsec about as much as the 11% npc corp tax.

Si Omega
Posted - 2011.09.03 22:55:00 - [63]
 

Quote:
Mittens is an eternal optimist always hoping to find the best in people.


Only thing he hasn't learned is how to get the best from people.

But then.... Lawyers. Go figure. Full of **** and wind, lie constantly and assume they are always right. Occupational hazard I guess.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.09.03 22:59:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
That whole "no ice for you in highsec" and "we're gonna take all the best agents an put em in 0.0" and the other **** they lain out, when combined with the "watch what they do not what they say" argument seem to support them killing off highsec.
…you mean apart from the fact that moving the best agents will have zero effect on highsec and that the “no ice” statement was more along the lines of “only some ice products will be available through highsec belts”, so the effect of that will be minimal as well.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.03 23:10:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
That whole "no ice for you in highsec" and "we're gonna take all the best agents an put em in 0.0" and the other **** they lain out, when combined with the "watch what they do not what they say" argument seem to support them killing off highsec.
…you mean apart from the fact that moving the best agents will have zero effect on highsec and that the “no ice” statement was more along the lines of “only some ice products will be available through highsec belts”, so the effect of that will be minimal as well.


right who needs good agents in high sec. all the mission runners will go to 0.0

you must work for CCP to be that deluded

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.09.03 23:20:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 03/09/2011 23:20:38
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
right who needs good agents in high sec. all the mission runners will go to 0.0
Huh?

Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

The whole “highsec is getting nerfed” is something brain-damaged highsec dwellers have dreamed up because they have no clue whatsoever about what's actually available in EVE. So when CCP said that they were moving the best agents, they drooled “durrr… that must mean my L4s go away! waaah!” when in reality, highsec L4s are so far away from qualifying as “the best agents” that it's downright laughable that anyone would even be able to have such a stupid idea as to equate the two.

So no, moving the best agents will have no effect whatsoever on highsec for the simple reason that the best agents do not, and have never, existed in highsec. Highsec will have the same mediocre agents as right now, and they are not good enough to be affected.

The other bit of abject retardation is the “onoz, ice will be gone”, when what was actually proposed was that some particular ice products would no longer be available through highsec ice-mining. Again, it is just highsec:ers' persecution complex making them spout ignorant nonsense because they have no idea that things exist outside of highsec that are already different (and better) than what they have access to. The same goes for the mentions made about deadspace and faction loot.

In the real world, outside of these paranoid fantasies, highsec will see zero change because highsec is simply too low-end to be affected by any change to the high-end, which is what CCP were discussing.

octahexx Charante
Posted - 2011.09.03 23:26:00 - [67]
 

yes because people need less reason to actually pay for the game.

its not like highsec is the place with most new players who dont afford plex for isk and actually whip out the creditcard.

no we need to preserve the null population thats where the real money income is at.






Proats
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.09.03 23:34:00 - [68]
 

Heavy use of sarcasm does not stop your arguments from being terrible.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.03 23:38:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 03/09/2011 23:40:01
Originally by: Tippia
... brain-damaged retardation


you have issues with the mentally impaired I see. Self loathing?

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Edited by: Cipher Jones on 03/09/2011 17:46:21
What a ****ing baby. Brags about what he got and complains about what he didnt get. Welcome to the 7th grade playground at recess. If you expect to be able to control CCP's management at a macro level you are a ****ing tool.


Your really surprised about this?

...really??

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.09.03 23:40:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Tippia


In the real world, outside of these paranoid fantasies, highsec will see zero change because highsec is simply too low-end to be affected by any change to the high-end, which is what CCP were discussing.



Why are they even making the changes then if it will have no effect? Is it to help 0.0? or to help convince high sec dwellers to move to 0.0?


Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.09.03 23:52:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: AnzacPaul
Why are they even making the changes then if it will have no effect?
Because the effect it will have is to ensure that the “top” everything can be found in 0.0 — that is not quite the case right now.
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
you have issues with the mentally impaired I see.
No, I have issues with self-imposed and willing ignorance of the kind some highsec dwellers have chosen to display when dreaming up that kind of nonsense.

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.09.03 23:54:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: AnzacPaul
Why are they even making the changes then if it will have no effect?
Because the effect it will have is to ensure that the “top” everything can be found in 0.0 — that is not quite the case right now.





In other words, to encourage people to move to 0.0 over high sec. It's not by any means a needed change, as you said it will have zero effect on high sec.

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.09.03 23:54:00 - [73]
 

His chest beating is so funny, like CCP cares about what CSM thinks.

And now back to the real world...Razz

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.09.03 23:57:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: AnzacPaul
In other words, to encourage people to move to 0.0 over high sec. It's not by any means a needed change, as you said it will have zero effect on high sec.
Having no effect over highsec is not the same thing as having no effect on the players who currently choose highsec.

Meryl SinGarda
Caldari
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
Posted - 2011.09.03 23:57:00 - [75]
 

What's a gasolin?

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.09.04 00:01:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: AnzacPaul
In other words, to encourage people to move to 0.0 over high sec. It's not by any means a needed change, as you said it will have zero effect on high sec.
Having no effect over highsec is not the same thing as having no effect on the players who currently choose highsec.


Lol, so you weren't talking about the actual players and how it will affect them, but rather that there wont be certain types of Ice roids on the overview anymore? I'm pretty sure when most people talk about the change it will have on high sec/low sec/null/wormholes, they generally mean the change on the playerbase, not the physical implementation of it.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.09.04 00:04:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: AnzacPaul
I'm pretty sure when most people talk about the change it will have on high sec/low sec/null/wormholes, they generally mean the change on the playerbase, not the physical implementation of it.
Since all they every cry about is this mythical “highsec nerf”, no, not really — they're talking about changes in the implementation (changes that aren't planned and will not happen).

Living Dead Girl
Posted - 2011.09.04 00:20:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: The Mittani

What we see here is the impact of the neglect of what CCP now calls "Flying in Space", what you and I call "Eve Online". Usually after an expansion there is a surge of players who join the game; these create peaks and valleys in PCU (Peak Concurrent User) numbers as people kick the tires on the new content and then either stick around or leave. Incarna, which has taken a tremendous amount of development and marketing resources from FiS, essentially had no impact.

Read that again. No impact. Millions of dollars and months of development, into a toilet. Meanwhile we suffer a backhanded Sanctum nerf and have had no new FiS content besides Incursions since the introduction of Wormholes.

CCP has a small number of feature teams, and before the WoD and DUST follies those teams would be allocated to FiS. Since Incarna ("Walking in Stations" or WiS) came under development, we have seen FiS merit only a skeleton crew, thankfully including some excellent people like Stoffer. This might be acceptable if Incarna had been produced properly - a temporary reallocation of resources for a serious project, then it's back to expansions we enjoy. But Incarna has been a disaster so far; in addition to flatlining PCU, it appears to be suffering significant delays - much like Tyrannis's manifold errors devoured two expansions, we are still waiting for the other three Captains Quarters (the ones that do not look like a ghetto ****hole, and actually seem 'scifi') as well as Establishments. And something about contraband, I guess.

There are two fronts to the political metagame of the CSM. On one front, that of micro-level gameplay, we have done very well with FiS negotiation, focusing the next expansion on 0.0 issues and communicating our views with absolute clarity. On the other front, dealing with macro-level business decisions and squaring off with CCP's upper management, our 'carrot' strategy has failed. We can get along peachy with Stoffer and fix FiS at the micro level. But at the macro level, Hilmar et al control the amount of resources that good people like Stoffer gets, and they seem to think their subscriber curve will go upward even if they spoonfeed us excrement.

Worse, our interactions with CCP's upper management in the aftermath of the Emergency Summit have shown us that the suits are not treating the needs of the players with the gravity they deserve; our willingness to negotiate in a chill way with the FiS teams (which has met with obvious success) is being misinterpreted as a sign of weakness and compliance by the suits.

So the gloves come off. There's not much point for Goonswarm striving to 'fix EVE' by seizing control of the CSM and negotiating successfully with the FiS devs if the amount of resources allocated to FiS itself dwindles and the game continues to stagnate. In the coming weeks we are going to be making some extremely loud statements regarding the neglect of FiS, the failure of Incarna, and the need for CCP's management to pull the game out of this stall. We need something new to do, not something new to wear.

This will not take the form of an incoherent threadnaught (though that certainly got results, last time) but we may seize control of the internet's dynamic media - Slashdot, Digg, Reddit, and the gaming press as a whole for several news cycles.

We will not stand idly by as an alliance while our subscription money goes to waste, watching the game we pay to play spiraling into entropy due to the folly and neglect of CCP's management. It is not yet time to start a fire, but get your gasoline ready.





Couple of things. First off, Didnt the goons want to destroy eve? now they want to save it? Confused
Secondly, Interesting read.
Finally, bolded the only part of all that that JUST might get the attention of CCP upper management, assuming of course mitts and anyone else onboard can pull it off.

Xyla Vulchanus
Amarr
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.09.04 00:24:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Living Dead Girl
Couple of things. First off, Didnt the goons want to destroy eve? now they want to save it? Confused


No, Goons don't want to destroy the game, just your game.

What an excellent and insightful post from Mittens - couldn't agree more with his synopsis of things. Eve is in the toilet and it will take a complete re-think of strategy to turn things round now.

Hroya
Posted - 2011.09.04 00:33:00 - [80]
 

So what is it exactly that Mittens wants fixed asap ?
And how does he think it can be fixed ?

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.09.04 00:45:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Living Dead Girl

Couple of things. First off, Didnt the goons want to destroy eve? now they want to save it? Confused
Secondly, Interesting read.
Finally, bolded the only part of all that that JUST might get the attention of CCP upper management, assuming of course mitts and anyone else onboard can pull it off.


The only thing they, as a collective, have wanted (now or then) is attention.

Mittani has never had the greatest ideas. He's disillusioned as many leader are, that because he's found a number of people to follow him, that this validates his opinions and self-importance.

Goons have shown us, just as Molle did, that quantity and quality have nothing to do with each other. Anyone in their organization (that isn't self deluded) knows that as a group they are no different than /b/ and that their only asset is being loud and numerous.

These are effective assets when you want to pound someones door down, but now they think they can stand outside and make political appeals to people to open the door instead.

Genghis Khan may have dabbled in politics, but his advances and success came from the brute force of his hordes. I'm quite sure he understood that one begot the other, not that they were mutually validating.

You don't open the spam your email box for insight and goons are the last people who should accept advise from regarding how to best develop eve.

All that said, Mittani may have a point this time. But that does nothing but prove the old 'broken clock' adage. Not to mention this is the same **** hundreds of us have been spouting for months on end. Now he wakes up and repeats it and I should be impressed?

Having heard him spout crap for years on end, he's certainly no sage and probably has no business heading the CSM.

Oglyn
Posted - 2011.09.04 01:25:00 - [82]
 

Is this the same Mittani who flamed CCP on 11 November 2009 for their supercarrier nerf?
Is this the same Mittani who flamed CCP for letting players have out of game access to Devs?

The guy sure backtracks fast when it is in his interest rather than that of the game.

Wait, what? He is also the head of the CSM?

Those are the guys who are meant to be looking out for the best interests of the entire playerbase, right? (After being setup on the pretext of preventing further player influence over devs?)

Just, wow Shocked

Irony overload.






Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.09.04 01:30:00 - [83]
 

Liked what he said in his post about kicking some CCP arse.

Thought the stoned TTH lucubration about EVE's harsh, cruel reality that was linked at the end of the post was a bit of a stretch - anonymity is a sufficient explanation for the bitter nature of EVE, and the reason why you can't take any lessons from EVE to the real world. Unless one takes extraordinary measures, one's identity in the real world is trackable in a way that it's not in a game like EVE, where anonymity is default; and that's why people behave differently than they would irl. One might retort that this shows what's "beneath" all the norms and laws, but that's not necessarily so. It might actually just be curiosity ("seeing what one can get away with") - especially if nobody's really hurt by any of it.

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.09.04 01:33:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Oglyn
Is this the same Mittani who flamed CCP on 11 November 2009 for their supercarrier nerf?
Is this the same Mittani who flamed CCP for letting players have out of game access to Devs?

The guy sure backtracks fast when it is in his interest rather than that of the game.

Wait, what? He is also the head of the CSM?

Those are the guys who are meant to be looking out for the best interests of the entire playerbase, right? (After being setup on the pretext of preventing further player influence over devs?)

Just, wow Shocked

Irony overload.








The problem is, there aren't many others who could have such a large influence. Chribba maybe, or perhaps a few of the csm combined, so in this case if Mittani is actually serious about this ****, let's hope he gets everyone on bored and not make it a goonswarm event.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.09.04 01:51:00 - [85]
 

this is a terrible thread and you should all be ashamed of yourselves

Trolls Troll
Posted - 2011.09.04 01:59:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
this is a terrible thread and you should all be ashamed of yourselves


I know right, Mittani head trooolllll of Eve. Even from head of CSM he posts no info to the general playerbase, and you all worship him like he is queen bee.... oh wait...


TOP TROLLIN MITTUNZ WISH I WAZ LIKE YOU!

MsValentineWiggin
Posted - 2011.09.04 02:00:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: AnzacPaul
I'm pretty sure when most people talk about the change it will have on high sec/low sec/null/wormholes, they generally mean the change on the playerbase, not the physical implementation of it.
Since all they every cry about is this mythical “highsec nerf”, no, not really — they're talking about changes in the implementation (changes that aren't planned and will not happen).


CCP's recent proposal was to remove T2 production from hisec although in the devblog discussion they are talking about just making it much more expensive to produce in hisec. I think there are a few people who make or fly T2. CCP seems like they are willing to spend some effort to reduce revenue from hisec customers. Ofc not all CCP intentions get immediately implemented in the software.


Tetragammatron Prime
Posted - 2011.09.04 02:12:00 - [88]
 

Good thing the genius Mittani and the rest of the CSM along with CCP devs agreed that titans were balanced in their current form.

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.09.04 02:20:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
this is a terrible thread and you should all be ashamed of yourselves


Much like your poasting CSM'ing.

amirite?

(seriously, am I doing this right? Am I trendy and cool on the internets now? what?.... I'm not?! My post was too long??? What does that even mean? Oooohh, it's supposed to be a witty one-liner with no edits? I see, ok I get it. I'll try to be cooler next time thx)

Seriously though, I'm mad.

Thornat
Posted - 2011.09.04 07:33:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
this is a terrible thread and you should all be ashamed of yourselves


Actually bud you should be ashamed of yourself. You took on a position which required you to represent the community in iceland and turned it into a position to represent your own interest and the interest of your corp and alliance instead. Your an *******, **** you, I want your resignation. You no longer represent me.


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