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Viule Sawyr
Posted - 2011.09.03 17:48:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Viule Sawyr on 03/09/2011 17:48:46

Originally by: Grey Stormshadow


The population graph - if accurate - was pretty interesting.


However it still clearly shows that something went wrong with the Incarna expansion.


It wasn't incanna as a product that was the cause of this, it was CCP and their complete disregard of their customer base. Yes Incarna was buggy and still has issues and offers very little, but the catalyst for all this was CCP's ignorance fueled by greed.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.09.03 17:54:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Ladie Scarlet
Originally by: Richard Hammond II
Seriously you all were that gullible as to believe CCP might dothe right thing? My faith in the jadedness of the Goons is shaken

Mittens is an eternal optimist always hoping to find the best in people.
my sarcasm-o-meter exploded in a mushroom cloud right there.Razz

ITTigerClawIK
Amarr
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
Posted - 2011.09.03 18:06:00 - [33]
 

*gassoline at the ready* so, what do i get to burn?

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.09.03 18:19:00 - [34]
 

The CSM is completely irrelevant to CCPs corporate decisions and strategy. CCP have identified that only a very very small % of their customers are 'motivated' in terms of forum / political activity - which means the players can be essentially ignored without loss of revenue.

EVE Online is now in a coma in terms of development with 99% of CCPs efforts focused upon other revenue streams and other games.

Nothing, absolutely nothing, Mittens or the CSM can do can change that now.

C.

Simetraz
Posted - 2011.09.03 18:23:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Simetraz on 03/09/2011 18:24:13
So if you don't want to play the game the way it is and you can't make the company change it, then nobody is going to get to play it.

Well this is one way to close the doors on any form of dialog between game developers and players.
If any other developer had even considered a CSM style option they won't now.

Congratulations.
CSM is now officially dead.
If I was CCP I would shut it down this very second.

Lilith Ishanoya
Lai Dai Shipments
Posted - 2011.09.03 18:29:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Simetraz
Edited by: Simetraz on 03/09/2011 18:24:13
So if you don't want to play the game the way it is and you can't make the company change it, then nobody is going to get to play it.

Well this is one way to close the doors on any form of dialog between game developers and players.
If any other developer had even considered a CSM style option they won't now.

Congratulations.
CSM is now officially dead.
If I was CCP I would shut it down this very second.



That would require admitting failure, something the Icelandic aren't very good at.

Simetraz
Posted - 2011.09.03 18:41:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Simetraz on 03/09/2011 18:41:29
No it is a matter of CSM crossing a line.

When posts like the one linked gets out CCP has every right to close down the CSM.

CSM should have done the reverse.
CSM should have called it quits and closed it down themselves under the premise of no communication with the developer.

Yes it is a matter of semantics but Goonies has lawyers and they should have consulted with them first, CSM made a mistake here and it was a big one.


Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr
Divine Power.
Atlas.
Posted - 2011.09.03 18:42:00 - [38]
 

yes mittani should have consulted an internet lawyer to set him straight, i see nothing wrong with that.

Discrodia
Gallente
Symbiosis International
Moose Alliance
Posted - 2011.09.03 18:45:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Simetraz
Edited by: Simetraz on 03/09/2011 18:41:29
No it is a matter of CSM crossing a line.

When posts like the one linked gets out CCP has every right to close down the CSM.

CSM should have done the reverse.
CSM should have called it quits and closed it down themselves under the premise of no communication with the developer.

Yes it is a matter of semantics but Goonies has lawyers and they should have consulted with them first, CSM made a mistake here and it was a big one.



Unless I'm colossally misinformed isn't Mittens a lawyer or something? If he's doing this, I'm pretty sure he knows what game he's playing.

And as someone else said, closing down the CSM would require CCP to admit that something is wrong in the first place, which they haven't been very good about doing recently.

Tomas Sean Connery
Posted - 2011.09.03 18:46:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Ladie Scarlet
Originally by: Richard Hammond II
Seriously you all were that gullible as to believe CCP might dothe right thing? My faith in the jadedness of the Goons is shaken

Mittens is an eternal optimist always hoping to find the bestworst in people.

Prince Kobol
Posted - 2011.09.03 18:49:00 - [41]
 

With the Mittens being the Chair of the CSM this was always going to happen, it just a matter of time.

All he is doing is playing straight into the hands of CCP.


XIRUSPHERE
Gallente
Deadly Intent.
Posted - 2011.09.03 18:49:00 - [42]
 

The only real way large entities like GS and friends could get CCP to listen is if high sec was sieged to the point CCP's bread and butter started collectively abandoning ship due to threat of annihilation.

Strong words and promises can be made but the only real thing that would make them take heed is a large dip in subs, you could make a lot more people leave the game than by just quitting alone. Turn highsec into hell and see what happens to the subs.

Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.09.03 18:52:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: XIRUSPHERE
The only real way large entities like GS and friends could get CCP to listen is if high sec was sieged to the point CCP's bread and butter started collectively abandoning ship due to threat of annihilation.

That actually sounds like fun. I'm going to bring it up at our next secret goon conclave.

Cebraio
Posted - 2011.09.03 19:00:00 - [44]
 

I have a noob question regarding the super-nerf-rumor:

It's been said that super-carriers would lose the ability to field regular drones.

How is that a nerf? Isn't it more useful for them to launch Fighters and Bombers anyway?


Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.09.03 19:05:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Cebraio
It's been said that super-carriers would lose the ability to field regular drones.

How is that a nerf? Isn't it more useful for them to launch Fighters and Bombers anyway?
Not if they're being blobbed by sub-caps.

Little Simon
Posted - 2011.09.03 19:06:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Little Simon on 03/09/2011 19:07:25
Originally by: Reilly Duvolle
Kugu thread post bottom part


I read the link. That guy has forgotten that this is just a game.

Life > MMO

If is ain't then gtfo

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.09.03 19:13:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: XIRUSPHERE
The only real way large entities like GS and friends could get CCP to listen is if high sec was sieged to the point CCP's bread and butter started collectively abandoning ship due to threat of annihilation.



This is really where Mittani should be using his pull. Although a lot of us think he's a tool, many of us (myself included), would probably call to arms, if he started a revolt in game to get ccp to listen.

Non-stop suicide ganks, lagging mission/market hubs to breaking point, stop production/market activity, mass logoffs (even the entire goonswarm logging off would show a dip, no doubt).

Instead of keeping it in the Goons, get all the disgruntled to participate, ill even use another plex up to hang around to join in.

XIRUSPHERE
Gallente
Deadly Intent.
Posted - 2011.09.03 19:24:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: AnzacPaul
Originally by: XIRUSPHERE
The only real way large entities like GS and friends could get CCP to listen is if high sec was sieged to the point CCP's bread and butter started collectively abandoning ship due to threat of annihilation.



This is really where Mittani should be using his pull. Although a lot of us think he's a tool, many of us (myself included), would probably call to arms, if he started a revolt in game to get ccp to listen.

Non-stop suicide ganks, lagging mission/market hubs to breaking point, stop production/market activity, mass logoffs (even the entire goonswarm logging off would show a dip, no doubt).

Instead of keeping it in the Goons, get all the disgruntled to participate, ill even use another plex up to hang around to join in.


You could incapacitate the largest entities quite easily with a couple hundred pilots and wage a war of systematic denial of access. It would take time but would probably attract the ire of quite a few and make for some decent pew if the white knights tried to counter.

It really would not take much to get large amounts of people to just log off or bail to npc corps. The wave of apprehension and uncertainty would be enough for most. It's all theory craft but I think it would pan out better then trying to use just the media against CCP. Asymmetric war is what's needed to send a clear message. If it happens I would have a reason to log in and exploit my fixed sec status YARRRR!!.

Cebraio
Posted - 2011.09.03 19:27:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Cebraio
It's been said that super-carriers would lose the ability to field regular drones.

How is that a nerf? Isn't it more useful for them to launch Fighters and Bombers anyway?
Not if they're being blobbed by sub-caps.


Thanks for clearing that up. I haven't checked the tracking of fighters and bombers. Didn't think it would be so bad.

Lelya Hul
Posted - 2011.09.03 19:30:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: AnzacPaul

Instead of keeping it in the Goons, get all the disgruntled to participate, ill even use another plex up to hang around to join in.


We have a winner.

Any sort of action must present a unified front, across Alliances, corps, pirates and carebears alike. After that, doing one or more things that is statistically palpable, deny access in high sec, mass log outs, so on and so forth data that can be recorded as fact without spin or pulling anything out ones rear end must be done.

If so many people care as they claim to do, it must be done and it must be done as stated above, anything else is intrigue or bound to fail to accomplish the goals at hand.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2011.09.03 19:34:00 - [51]
 

Wouldn't surprise me if the goon portion in the csm are intentionally stalling the meeting minutes to raise a ruckus they can exploit for more attentionvoring.

Sha Dar
eXceed Inc.
Posted - 2011.09.03 19:58:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: XIRUSPHERE
The only real way large entities like GS and friends could get CCP to listen is if high sec was sieged to the point CCP's bread and butter started collectively abandoning ship due to threat of annihilation.

Strong words and promises can be made but the only real thing that would make them take heed is a large dip in subs, you could make a lot more people leave the game than by just quitting alone. Turn highsec into hell and see what happens to the subs.


THIS !!!

Specifically targeting every character created since wis went live and everyone who used the nex store. Let's see if ccp wake up when that happens.

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2011.09.03 20:16:00 - [53]
 

Oh, now he cares. At the time he was happy to make a youtube video for CCP, call the players babies, and so on.

He's just ass-covering to the players so he can say he stood up to CCP. Hoping the players forget that he was so happy to run cover for CCP when it counted.

And his idea that the media will care? Please! There already were media stories, and Mittani was quoted in some of them as not caring. The gaming media has moved on. He missed his chance to stand up to CCP. Now it's just going through the motions to make himself look strong to the players and to his own alliance.

Denidil
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.09.03 20:41:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Oh, now he cares. At the time he was happy to make a youtube video for CCP, call the players babies, and so on.

He's just ass-covering to the players so he can say he stood up to CCP. Hoping the players forget that he was so happy to run cover for CCP when it counted.

And his idea that the media will care? Please! There already were media stories, and Mittani was quoted in some of them as not caring. The gaming media has moved on. He missed his chance to stand up to CCP. Now it's just going through the motions to make himself look strong to the players and to his own alliance.


many players ARE acting like a bunch of babies.

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2011.09.03 20:47:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Emperor Cheney on 03/09/2011 20:47:07

Originally by: Denidil
Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Oh, now he cares. At the time he was happy to make a youtube video for CCP, call the players babies, and so on.

He's just ass-covering to the players so he can say he stood up to CCP. Hoping the players forget that he was so happy to run cover for CCP when it counted.

And his idea that the media will care? Please! There already were media stories, and Mittani was quoted in some of them as not caring. The gaming media has moved on. He missed his chance to stand up to CCP. Now it's just going through the motions to make himself look strong to the players and to his own alliance.


many players ARE acting like a bunch of babies.


That is true. This is a video game. Inherently, most opinions expressed passionately about a video game will be ridiculous.

However, the fact is, when Mittani had a chance to go to the media, when the media cared about this issue, he publicly took the other side.

Mittani's current position on Incarna is directly contrary his earlier position, and he's acting like nothing ever happened. Something did happen. He was CCP's #1 PR man during the 'player uprising' against microtransactions. Now he is making threats to go to the media about this issue if CCP doesn't do. . .something? The fact that he is making these threats now, and the fact that he doesn't even explain what he wants from CCP both show this new effort to be a farce. Probably just trying to shore up support. Maybe get re-elected. I don't know. What I do know is, if he actually wanted to go to the media about his disappointment with Incarna, that train left the station a long time ago. And for the record, when it happened (to take the metaphor to its ridiculous extreme) he was just milling about the station, begging passengers not to board it.

Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2011.09.03 20:54:00 - [56]
 

They should kick all goon from the CSM. that would be an improvement

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.09.03 21:41:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 03/09/2011 21:52:09
Originally by: Richard Hammond II

HEY MITTENS!!!
Leak the Minutes!
Be a rebel



THIS
DO IT lol

Originally by: Garia666
They should kick all goon from the CSM. that would be an improvement


This is kinda why the CSM falls down to start with. Id say they should kick anyone in a corp from the CSM

So its a flawed concept to start with.

Richard Hammond II
Posted - 2011.09.03 21:45:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: XIRUSPHERE
The only real way large entities like GS and friends could get CCP to listen is if high sec was sieged to the point CCP's bread and butter started collectively abandoning ship due to threat of annihilation.


CCP is planning on doing that themselves by making highsec not a viable place to live economically

XIRUSPHERE
Gallente
Deadly Intent.
Posted - 2011.09.03 22:03:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Richard Hammond II
Originally by: XIRUSPHERE
The only real way large entities like GS and friends could get CCP to listen is if high sec was sieged to the point CCP's bread and butter started collectively abandoning ship due to threat of annihilation.


CCP is planning on doing that themselves by making highsec not a viable place to live economically


I really don't believe they would do a complete 180 and crap in the largest populations cornflakes like that when the scope of changes in eve have focused on making it easier and more palatable to the individuals who wish to spend most if not all of their time in the hamster wheel. High sec is CCP's bread and butter, most of the players in eve are fine with just dipping their toes into the water with most of the content and are fine with the life of risk aversion provided there.

Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.09.03 22:11:00 - [60]
 

I have to agree with 1 thing - the upper management of CCP is rotten. I been saying as much for a while now.

There is undeniable proof: the cyno jump graphic effect change request from community is still not addressed. It is a very minor thing with huge support and it's been years since it was requested. It is ignored. CCP has more than enough resources to fulfill that player request within 1 week, yet they are being held down by the management. Only managers who truly do not give a f##k about the game would do this. There are no excuses.


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